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kymarto: Basically, the cloud-only model is a tacit admission by Adobe that the upgrades to PS are no longer compelling--the product is no longer worth the money, so now they will live by extortion...
Honestly, look at the last couple of upgrade cycles, the last one especially. What did we get for out $200? A new skin, a cosmetic upgrade to the crop tool, a new effect filter and an improved patch tool, more or less...This is pretty pathetic. No wonder they had to institute a new upgrade policy--just to keep people on the hook in hopes that CS7 had something of value, and they would save money by upgrading twice to get it, rather than having to start over.
Basically we are being asked to assume the burden of Adobe's lack of initiative in making the upgrades to PS desirable to the people who must decide whether to pay for them. It is only their monopoly that allows such an attitude to exist; if there were a decent competitor they would already be dead in the water.
I simply will NOT use any Adobe product for organization right now, because I need my organization on my computer to be as future proof as possible. Essentially I organise my photos in Windows folders anyway (on Windows). I'd rather use ACDSee if I want to build a keyword collection. Otherwise it's potentially thousands of hours of work down the drain.
hfgerena: $9.99 for a month trial.
I think I'll give it a try to this CC thing and see what they are offering. I rather spend it on a couple of beers, but to be honest, I really like Photoshop, but I already started to look for another option. Or live happy for ever with my CS6 version.
Was he counting his waistline in that assessment?
Rage Joe: Hey could you tell me what does this CC stand for, Criminal Cloud? That's what it must be :)!
Chiselling C***s
Charles Reilly on why you should avoid the Creative Cloud (particularly outside the US)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s-hYc_SEDqw#at=25
PhotoKhan: Just checked.
737 EUR per year is what Adobe is asking me now for the "privilege" of using LR and CS, CC-style. That's 956 USD...9...5...6 each single year.
Now, what else is out there?...dum, dee dum, dee, dum, dum...
tdp, Adobe's swingeing price differentials outside the US are NOT consistently related in any way to VAT. That is bs.
And Creative Cloud is more like 60% dearer in Europe. Not 23%.
PhotoKhan: Just checked.
737 EUR per year is what Adobe is asking me now for the "privilege" of using LR and CS, CC-style. That's 956 USD...9...5...6 each single year.
Now, what else is out there?...dum, dee dum, dee, dum, dum...
" If all you're using is Photoshop and Lightroom, you should purchase Lightroom separately" If you believe you can trust their "assurances" on Lightroom, I have some beach front property to sell you. It is not worth investing any more time or effort in any Adobe product right now, because it will all be wasted down the road. I will use my current copy of Lightroom for conversions. I am not trusting them enough to use them for cataloguing any more.
HubertChen: I spent the better part of this entire weekend looking for answers to the following questions listed below. I compiled what I found into an Article, original intended just as notes to myself. I am wondering if publishing my findings could help others to save time in their research or could inspire them to consider other solutions. Hopefully there also will be many comments where I can learn what I overlooked and update my Article.
Questions to which I am researching answers:
* What are current alternatives to Lightroom ?
* Do I gain or do I loose if I change from Lightroom right now?
* What are current alternatives to Photoshop CS6 ?
* Can I change my workflow so I can use Lightroom and CS6 w/o being forced into the cloud ?
* Can I change my workflow so that changing to other Software packages later is less painful ?
* Are there strong benefits for Lightroom which actually make it a good idea to keep it now or even change towards it ?
continued below ...
Because we now know we cannot trust Adobe.
kymarto: Basically, the cloud-only model is a tacit admission by Adobe that the upgrades to PS are no longer compelling--the product is no longer worth the money, so now they will live by extortion...
Honestly, look at the last couple of upgrade cycles, the last one especially. What did we get for out $200? A new skin, a cosmetic upgrade to the crop tool, a new effect filter and an improved patch tool, more or less...This is pretty pathetic. No wonder they had to institute a new upgrade policy--just to keep people on the hook in hopes that CS7 had something of value, and they would save money by upgrading twice to get it, rather than having to start over.
Basically we are being asked to assume the burden of Adobe's lack of initiative in making the upgrades to PS desirable to the people who must decide whether to pay for them. It is only their monopoly that allows such an attitude to exist; if there were a decent competitor they would already be dead in the water.
The upgrade path for Capture One is cheaper than renting from Adobe. I have been using it for years.
MarcLee: Gotta say I have been playing with Aftershot Pro for a while today. It's built on Bibble, but without the kindergarten interface early versions of that had. Fast and a LOT of options.
I was pleasantly shocked to see it also IMPORTS PRE-EXISTING LIGHTROOM ADJUSTMENTS.
What it misses, I can find elsewhere.
I would not even have looked at this without the help of Adobe's CEO. There's a special upgrade price if you have Lightroom pr PSP.
Earthlight, just look under upgrade. The upgrade is not only from older versions but also from rival products..
@richard, let's hope Corel sees this, and the inevitable extra interest they are going to get, as a shot in the arm. I am also a fan of Capture One and ACDSee. Haven't tried Photo Ninja though.
MarcLee: Gotta say I have been playing with Aftershot Pro for a while today. It's built on Bibble, but without the kindergarten interface early versions of that had. Fast and a LOT of options.
I was pleasantly shocked to see it also IMPORTS PRE-EXISTING LIGHTROOM ADJUSTMENTS.
What it misses, I can find elsewhere.
I would not even have looked at this without the help of Adobe's CEO. There's a special upgrade price if you have Lightroom pr PSP.
Given that Adobe have taken over and killed off over sixty companies, killed off even more actual software programs, and left us with THIS mess, I am sorry but your comment seems ironic in the extreme. I did work with PSP for many years and have now bought back into the product line. I also note that most reviews of Aftershot Pro have been very positive. And the investment is VERY minor compared with the unacceptable deal Adobe is trying to impose on us.
How much plainer can people put it? Being held to ransom for subscriptions is NOT an acceptable alternative for many of us under ANY circumstances. At this point, give David your money, because Goliath sure as hell does not want or deserve it.
tell the truth: 1. I can't imagine anything worse than being under pressure to get something done and suddenly discovering my software's interface has changed. The software maybe so slow you have to buy a new computer too?
"Further Adobe is not stupid." They are not doing a very good job of showing that.
Going back to ACDSee pro for cataloguing RAW files on my Windows PC. As I can't trust Adobe's commitment to keep Lightroom out of the subscription model., there's no way I am going to invest months or years of effort in building up a comprehensive catalogue on Lightroom when that catalogue could be rendered inoperative at a stroke. I'll still use it and Capture One for conversions for now, but that's all. A lack of trust spreads to other products too.
MarcLee: At the end of the first quarter this year, Adobe reported a 64.8% drop in quarterly earnings on higher expenses and lower product revenue. However, even THAT was above Wall Street expectations.
Earnings for the first quarter were $65.12 million or $0.13 per share, compared to $185.21 million or $0.37 per share last year. Adjusted earnings per share (EPS) declined to $0.35 from $0.57.
Revenue decreased 3.6% to $1.008 billion, due to lower products revenue offsetting increase subscription, and services and support revenues.
Adobe have LOST more in product purchases than they have gained in subscriptions. And that was when they still offered a choice. Products revenue fell to $675.79 million from $808.52 million (133 million loss), while subscription revenue grew to $224.27 million from $146.23 million (78 million profit).
It is a valid comparison between two product streams. The figures on expense versus revenue are theirs.
40daystogo: See these two Adobe stock charts.
http://scharts.co/18Bkkfj
http://scharts.co/18BkvHJ
Don't we all love it how Adobe's stock has plummeted ever since the greed-fest was announced on 6th May.
Well it's a big contrast to the Index, which has only been going up
Lanski: 2000 posts!
Not true entirely. Premiere users at least are just as mad.
Leon V: An alternate FREE image editor for PC users: PIXBUILDER STUDIO (http://www.wnsoft.com/pixbuilder/). This was mentioned in another forum. I downloaded it and looked it over. They copied many of Photoshop panels, functions, tools, tone and color adjustment panels, etc. (even has layers). Not as sophisticated but for amateurs it will do for photo editing. For tutorials and YouTube videos google "pixbuilder studio tutorials".
Yet. It will come, now Adobe has opened up a new market.
tell the truth: Pick on ADOBE ,, NOT Scott Kelby .. He is WAY COOL !! I hope he made some money,, cause thats going to change REAL SOON. ADOBE IS going to FLAME OUT LIKE KODAK !!!! Scott has helped all of us like a PHOTO SHOP GOD GURU !! THANK YOU SCOTT !! Now Scott will have to teach us NEW SOFTWARE FROM ANOTHER COMPANY << AND WE NEED SCOTT AGAIN !! Love you man!! PHOTOSHOP used to be better than SEX !! Now its a DRY DREAM !!!!!! ADOBE DONT GET ANY MORE COIN !!
Pretty scummy to me. If I felt the urge to remove dissent from the websites I administered I'd just shut down comment completely. At least that would be more honest.
MarcLee: At the end of the first quarter this year, Adobe reported a 64.8% drop in quarterly earnings on higher expenses and lower product revenue. However, even THAT was above Wall Street expectations.
Earnings for the first quarter were $65.12 million or $0.13 per share, compared to $185.21 million or $0.37 per share last year. Adjusted earnings per share (EPS) declined to $0.35 from $0.57.
Revenue decreased 3.6% to $1.008 billion, due to lower products revenue offsetting increase subscription, and services and support revenues.
Adobe have LOST more in product purchases than they have gained in subscriptions. And that was when they still offered a choice. Products revenue fell to $675.79 million from $808.52 million (133 million loss), while subscription revenue grew to $224.27 million from $146.23 million (78 million profit).
Exactly, the purpose of subscription for any software company is to get a steady stream of REVENUE.
tell the truth: ADOBE ,, every one I have talked to about this ..,,,, SAYS IT SUCKS !!! YOU WILL LOOSE a whole new generation of users. I teach this stuff ,, and I will never talk or teach it again with newbeeees. It will be time tell them about the other software to use !
Cos everyone Jeff talks to works for Adobe. He has been arguing with enough people to know this is bs.
ppage: The poll doesn't address my main concern: losing control over when updates to my software are made.
1. I can't imagine anything worse than being under pressure to get something done and suddenly discovering my software's interface has changed.
2. I don't like the idea of software bloat forcing me to upgrade my hardware when I'd rather put it off.
That is pretty standard phrasing used by any software to avoid having to maintain antique releases. They can update their software. It does not imply they will reach into your computer and update it on your computer.