Mikael Risedal: The counter-argument has always been that Canon is the best and use proper exposures, and there are no need for better DR. I'm a little curious why Canon now suddenly invest money in a sensor with lower readout noise?? Better DRand my sarcasm is based on a large number of argument from Canon fan boys during the years who have declared my arguments for a greater DR, lower banding etc etc as idiotic
Good lord, is this guy still banging on?
I swear I go away for months, if not years, and I come back and he is still bashing a camera he does not use (or like).
I don't use Nikon. (One of the only brands I don't) Time spent going out of my way to bash it = ZERO.
I avoid people muttering to themselves in the street ...........
onemoreguy: Love this kind of headline =). Keep it coming Dpreview. Some folks in this site need to lighten up.
Oh wow ... absolutely unbelievable post.
ZJ24: "Oh, wow ..." I think this scene was in When Harry Met Sally - "Yes, YES, YES!!!"Looks like an excellent camera, will be interesting to see how they progress with APS-C lenses too.
It's worth remembering she was faking it.
Photoman: Canon announce a new camera - 300 comments.Sony announce a new camera - 800 comments.
What do you read from that?
Ha ha ha. As a user of both, I wish.
HaroldC3: DPR you should of titled it..."Oh Wow Still No Touchscreen!"
Touch screen impinges battery life, and Sony battery life tends not to be great anyway.
1: That one is more mass market than the other. 2: That not all the comments on either are fulsome praise. 3: That many comments are as much about DPReview editorial as much as camera. 4: That maybe there are as many or more hobbyists here as/than pros.
What was I SUPPOSED to read from that? Do tell.
If I can stick a decent lens on it I might consider it as a back up for my A7S II, as the A7R II - which I am also considering -- could be overkill. If I do that I guess they may have shot themselves in the foot. But these cameras DO have drawbacks (including A7S II tendency to yellow tinged video) that rarely gets properly addressed here these days.
Let's just have a "Wow" instead.
Coyote_Cody: Why the 'Oh Wow' heading ? Prejudice announcements - DPR you should be ashamed !!
DPR ~= Sony Fanboy now ??
Oh Wow, what is so astounding ????????????
I guess when it comes to Sony cams, ONLY 'Oh WOW' is warranted when they finally have touch screens !!!
Cure all cancers, I will give you a huge 'OH WOW', maybe even a THANKS, just another nice cam - you only earn a 'nice', make sure you always OVER emphasis the NON astounding DPR !!!! Silly stuff here !!
I know. Ridiculous.
Thought I'd stumbled into the Sony marketing department when I read that headline. Good lord.
GaryJP: Doesn't fit in a pocket. Fail.
Thought I'd just help the trolls.
We have plenty enough here.
Doesn't fit in a pocket. Fail.
TSeiler: People are switching to cell phone cameras. DSLRs are now dinosaurs. The only ones who don't understand that are the ones who have invested a giant sum of money into dead technology. In a few years your giant DSLRs will be as worthless as film cameras are today. You can argue with me and call me all the names you want but it won't reverse progress. No one with a brain wants to haul around a camera the size of a toaster.
If you can't figure why a dedicated camera is of more value to a real photographer than a Smartphone then congratulations, you'll never need one and you can save yourself a fortune.
Mike FL: I do not understand Why Bill Gates sold Corbis Images as seem from below:
"Bill Gates' Corbis sold Tiananmen Square photos to Chinese firm".
The rich have their own club that trumps nations.
Oh, and Peiasdf, the Communist Party is NOT China. They are two very different things.
GaryJP: Worrying to see a mainland China company having ownership of historical images of the Tienanmen Square incident, including Tank Man. Search for them in Chinese and they do not exist.
Wumao everywhere these days.
The "incident" continued into the 5th June. I watched it live. Stop the inane quibbling over whether the government shot its own people on the square or two streets away. The cameras, even the video cameras there, showed what they showed.
It remains unwise for historical documentation to be under the control of an oligarchic dictatorship.
Worrying to see a mainland China company having ownership of historical images of the Tienanmen Square incident, including Tank Man. Search for them in Chinese and they do not exist.
Part of the problem here is rating out of 100 and awarding Gold. Silver, etc.
Perhaps it would be wiser for your reviews to say "Good For/Not so Good For" rather than put every one on the same scale (within classes). That encourages the "mine is bigger than yours" clowns.
Your line on "post purchase justification", is at odds with the rest of your argument. "Post purchase justification" is in the eye of the beholder and often a random insult. Some chose cameras you don't think are great because - AFTER having weighed the pros and cons, including usability and personal preference - we don't enjoy the cameras you think are the best thing since sliced bread. And we HAVE used them. (I don't enjoy the RX100s)
Camera makers make design decisions. You can always tell the fanboys because they attribute only negative motivations to the design decisions of one brand and only positive motivations to the design decisions of another. They don't do this site any favours and drive many away.
everybodyisone: Having problems is not so rare but I really like they admit it and offer the solution immediately. It is something some other manufacturer should follow...
Agree. I am done with Fuji forever. That corporate culture stinks.
Most admit it quite quickly, one of the worst exceptions being Fuji who took a year to admit and fix the horrendous paper punch highlights (orbs) in my X10 and even laughed at users who complained.
GaryJP: Whenever I see someone superficially badmouthing another photographer's works here I almost always immediately go to check their gallery.
95% of the time they have uploaded nothing.
And no links to their work either.
"(4) Extension of an opponent's proposition by contradiction or by misrepresentation of it (pp. 35-38).Dealt with by stating again the more moderate position which is being defended."Thouless.
I suggest you re-read my original post.
"Straight and Crooked Thinking". Robert M Thouless. Excellent book, despite being written in the 1930s. Highly recommend it.
"So what you are saying ......?" is almost invariably followed by a false inference.
And the simple answer is that IF his work shows he can get better results on a Nikon than Sebastião Salgado gets on his Canons I would have to concede that he demonstrates that for him at least it's true.
With no such demonstration, how else would YOU judge?
For you no, for at least twelve other people yes.
But naturally you are free to defend the freedom to badmouth at will as much as you like. It is often very much the way of this site after all. Personally I will ALWAYS respect posters more when I see some tangible examples of where they are coming from.