GaryJP

GaryJP

Lives in Hong Kong Hong Kong
Works as a TV Production, Directing, Shooting, Editing
Joined on Mar 11, 2006

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Helle: I am getting pretty tired of Adobes CC policy - keep charging money from me endlessly. I wonder if there is another software that will do what Lightroom do and NOT as a subscription? Pay once - and update when I can afford it?

"They therefore have every reasons to honour that policy." No they don't. They just have every reason to make the promise.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Also, to add to the list of Raw converters mentioned above, there's another called Polarr Photo Editor for Chrome. It seems to do everything Lightroom does in terms of processing.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 25, 2015 at 00:40 UTC
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brian1366: Paid $79USD last night to download and install the STANDALONE version of Lightroom 6 Upgrade.
Sure Adobe isn't promoting the standalone version much and they put the link at the bottom of the webpage, but it wasn't that hard to find. A lot of whiners on here.

Upgrades?

Also, Amazon typically will NOT ship software cross market or internationally. Or even allow you to download.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 07:20 UTC
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brian1366: Paid $79USD last night to download and install the STANDALONE version of Lightroom 6 Upgrade.
Sure Adobe isn't promoting the standalone version much and they put the link at the bottom of the webpage, but it wasn't that hard to find. A lot of whiners on here.

TheDman seems to have gone long past the point of arguing for arguing's sake. Probably better to ignore him at this point.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 05:58 UTC
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UneVache: Ok the common solution is to logout/login from CC via preferences panel… but that's not for everyone and I had to uninstall and remove many files including Lightroom 5 then install CC via download dmg, then change admin rights to several folders etc.. disconnect, reboot, etc… to make it start…

Nice article, though. But my question will be simple : have you just tried to install it :D ?????
And now that it works, what's really new ?
- it's faster -> absolutely not
- panorama : exactly the same with the standalone Photoshop CS6
- HDR : same
- Face recognition… oh yes that for a 75 euros upgrade fee and the joy to have a CC spy on your system...

What a joke, come on Adobe.

Unevache, I can recommend Capture One. I use it as an alternative, and if you spend enough time with it I think it can produce better results than Lightroom. For most of my stuff, for now, I stick with Lightroom, but if there's a really special image I want to pull the absolute best out of, I do try Capture One.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 05:55 UTC
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TheDman: Will all the whiners please switch to Capture 1 already (like you keep threatening to do, but don't) so these comments sections can actually discuss the new product and not be filled with complaining about something that happened 2 years ago?

Actually no. Some are complaining about the sidelining of the standalone version and you are consistently misrepresenting what they have said. And this IS a current issue. If you care so much about people criticising it, how about starting your OWN constructive comments? Or, as I said, set up your own "Adobe Love" forum.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 05:31 UTC
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Rbrt: I live in Canada and have finally managed to install the Lightroom 6 standalone upgrade. It has not been easy.

Took quite a bit of hunting and clicking to find a link for this. Paid for the upgrade with my credit card. Order took 24 hours to be processed. Once processed, I clicked on the link to download. Got an html error message saying "Header too Large". Called the 8000 number. On hold for a half hour and gave up. Tried their chat support. Better success. Got a response within 5 minutes. Support guy said problem was my browser (Firefox); suggested I try Chrome. Did that and download worked. Started the install. Install software reported there was a reboot pending. Did the reboot. Successfully started the install... (cont'd in response)

The web design that makes it so hard to find the standalone, sends you to CC subscriptions a dozen times, and it IS for many, is either inept or deliberate. In either case, it is worth asking why.

And not everyone is trying to buy from the same country. In my case the DIRECT link from my Lightroom did not work and the option for upgrade was repeatedly greyed out.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 01:15 UTC
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Helle: I am getting pretty tired of Adobes CC policy - keep charging money from me endlessly. I wonder if there is another software that will do what Lightroom do and NOT as a subscription? Pay once - and update when I can afford it?

There are a few. Capture One is probably better than Lightroom, but I have got used to getting good results out of Lightroom although I go to Capture One with some pictures. Silkypix still exists, and I used to get good results out of that. DXO processes raws, but they have a horrible two-tier pricing policy that makes the "cheaper" version of their software no use for many recent cameras.

ACDsee Pro 8 also processes raws although I haven't really delved into that one as a raw processor deeply.

RAWTherapee is freeware, and works. Raw Photo Processor, has a clunky interface, but familiarity will make it easier. GIMP on OS X has a raw plug in ready installed. There's also the OpenSource Lightzone.

I don't advise investing time in the file management abilities of Lightroom anyway when you don't know how much you can trust Adobe (or when you are sceptical of doing so), so I sort my photos by folder structure anyway: Year, date, camera, job. ACDSee will do this too.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 24, 2015 at 01:09 UTC
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TheDman: Will all the whiners please switch to Capture 1 already (like you keep threatening to do, but don't) so these comments sections can actually discuss the new product and not be filled with complaining about something that happened 2 years ago?

Once again, as Adobe says they are NOT planning to discontinue Lightroom as a standalone, it is hardly "long past". The fact that so many people are having problems right now makes it current.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2015 at 00:39 UTC
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GaryJP: Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

However, you would still not be wise to put much effort into it as an organiser of your photo collection, knowing all the work might have to be jettisoned in the relatively near future.

On the simple level of web design, the difficulty of finding the standalone version is either indicative or inept.

You takes your choice.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 23, 2015 at 00:38 UTC
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GaryJP: Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

Sorry, but that IS a straw man attack TheDman, but the degree of your invective remains intriguing. Not just now but over your historical posts too.

Perhaps you can assure vadims how to get his upgrade. Perhaps you DO know that it is available in Russia, where he does not.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 17:38 UTC
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GaryJP: Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

Well, something has to explain your willingness to lie about what the company's critics are actually saying.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 17:16 UTC
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GaryJP: Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

Because FCP had so MUCH become a standard, companies had bought hardware and plugins to get the most out of it. All that investment was wasted too. Now people are going to Avid and Premiere and determined not to trust Apple again for professional work. That's fine, if it is what the company wants. And Apple seems not to care. It wants hobbyists and consumers predominantly these days, not professionals. Heck, the new Macbooks, with one I/O are even LESS versatile than the old ones.

But essentially your argument is no different from those Apple shills who just told the professionals to suck it up. And no, they were not wearing tin hats either. Really, grow up in your mode of discourse.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 17:13 UTC
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GaryJP: Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

Do you work for them by any chance? I ask because you are determined to miscontrue the position of others in order to defend them. Do you REALLY think the choice of the word "indefinitely" is an accident?

As I've explained elsewhere, Lightroom is supposed to be not just a processing programme but a media management programme. It takes time, effort, and resources, to import, say, four terabytes worth of images from many years into a programme or library.

Your argument seems to be that it does not matter if you cannot trust the software maker to not waste that work or force any conditions it likes on you once you have invested that effort.

Whether you are aware of it or not, Apple all but destroyed its reputation with professional film and video editors when it decided to dump its original Final Cut Pro for FCPX. After an uproar it kept the old software alive, and I know film and TV editors who still use it even while knowing their software is heading towards obsolescence.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 17:10 UTC
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GaryJP: Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

RPJG I really don't see the point of arguing with someone when you don't know what he has said or written. I bought it eventually. It was far from easy, and Adobe took me to a creative cloud page and/or greyed out the upgrade option many times first.

As for Adobe promises, let's see:

"Q. Will Lightroom become a subscription only offering after Lightroom 5?

A. Future versions of Lightroom will be made available via traditional perpetual licenses indefinitely."

Well it seems increasingly likely that indefinitely is a pretty short time. As I've said, I have one foot in and one foot out of Lightroom, and am damned if I'll use it as a photo management system when all that time investment can be too easily rendered useless.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 16:52 UTC
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GaryJP: Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

Read my posts. They have always said the same thing. Answering on the basis of wrong assumptions just makes you look stupid.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 16:40 UTC
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GaryJP: Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

In some places, apparently not.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 16:39 UTC
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GaryJP: Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

Barry, you seem not have read the problems many people have had in even getting access to it through Adobe's own site, particularly outside the US. At the same time, it was ADOBE, and not us, who claimed that Lightroom would NOT be emphasising CC any time soon.

Why so defensive? No one is asking for the precious cloud to die. We are just asking for the choice we always had. If the cloud is REALLY the best economic choice for most people they have the brains to make that decision for themselves.

The bottom line is the subscription model comes into play simply because the software is now mature enough that further upgrades will likely be minor. It takes the onus OFF the company to innovate or do anything to earn your upgrade money. What amazes me is that some of you cannot see this.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 16:37 UTC
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Paul Grupp: Any serious hobbyist or professional who thinks that it's worth switching to another platform just because Adobe rents a combination of Photoshop and Lightroom for a measly $9.95/month is either just playing around or being flat-out unrealistic. I get it -- some of us would prefer to own the software. Well, that's not on the table. The question is, if you are serious, is $9.95 a month really burdensome? Not even close. And if you have invested hundreds, maybe thousands of hours in learning the ins and outs of Adobe products, switching to something else because you think $9.95 is too much to pay is being penny smart and pound foolish.

There you go again Barry. No one is threatening the existence or choice of an alleged four million cloud subscribers. It is those who prefer to use the software standalone that Adobe has lied to and is lying to.

As for Dman and his "mistaken notion", if you encourage people to use software in a format that makes it part of an infrastructure, you are demanding a level of trust from them. One that implies long term commitment. I already trust software companies so little I store in generic formats such as rtf wherever possible.

As I said elsewhere Apple's decision to kill off professional level Final Cut Pro (and now Aperture) actually screwed over entire production houses who had purchased hardware that only worked with that software. Don't do that kind of thing and expect to be respected or trusted.

Adobe is urinating on its users heads and the shills tell us it is raining.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 16:30 UTC
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TheDman: Will all the whiners please switch to Capture 1 already (like you keep threatening to do, but don't) so these comments sections can actually discuss the new product and not be filled with complaining about something that happened 2 years ago?

Incidentally, people who pay to use your product, whether it is a car, software, a movie, whatever, have EVERY right to have and express a view on it and on your corporate behaviour.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 16:10 UTC

Funny that Adobe and Apple hated each other so long, when they are increasingly becoming mirror images in terms of imposing their will on consumers.

Direct link | Posted on Apr 22, 2015 at 14:17 UTC as 45th comment | 32 replies
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