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Lea5: Corel reaction to Adobes CC:
"As you’ve probably noticed, big changes are underway in the high-tech industry at large, and more specifically in the graphics software world. Earlier this week, Adobe announced that it will discontinue the boxed version of Creative Suite and move exclusively to a subscription-based model (AKA Creative Cloud). This means that going forward, the only way to keep up-to-date with the latest offering from Adobe will be by paying monthly fees. When you stop paying, your products will stop working.
At Corel, we strongly believe in giving users the choice to purchase your software the way you want. For many of you, we know that the preference is to purchase a box or download version of our products in what is called a “perpetual license”, i.e. in a way that gives you the right to use the product forever without having to pay anything extra.
Read more...
http://corelblogs.wordpress.com/2013/05/08/corel-is-all-about-giving-users-choice/
But Corel has not already screwed us. Adobe has.
Josh152: As aside note can we please stop calling anyone who isn't' acting like adobe is the next incarnation of Satan and instead is taking a more objective view of the situation a troll or adobe shill? It just makes everyone, even people with legitimate concerns, seem like ignorant children afraid of change.
Josh152, in your "ignorant children afraid of change" comment you yourself are regurgitating one of the shill talking points, not one person here has suggested being afraid of change. They have sensibly criticized chane that os for the worse. Also, not one person here has said they do not think the subscription model should be available for anyone. They have been angry about choice they previously had being taken away. About being forced into it. When you make straw man arguments like that, you show your own colors rather more clearly than you mean to. I love change. But only an idiot or an Adobe shill loves change for the worse.
Baracus: "Basically we have no plans to make Lightroom subscription-only at any point in the future."
Basically I have no plans to have brunch this Sunday. It doesn't mean I won't end up having brunch this Sunday.
Make that TWO morons.
frank200: Corel has a GREAT offer for Adobe users!!
http://www.corel.com/corel/pages/index.jsp?pgid=14900014
Look at it this way.Two and a half months only of HIRING any CS app. I bought it already.
frank200: Corel has a GREAT offer for Adobe users!!
http://www.corel.com/corel/pages/index.jsp?pgid=14900014
Good news:
"Historically, the justification for creating a suitable Mac OS version of CorelDRAW Graphics Suite and other products, did not warrant the investment required. Adobe’s recent announcement will put the discussion back on the table."
Baracus: "Basically we have no plans to make Lightroom subscription-only at any point in the future."
Basically I have no plans to have brunch this Sunday. It doesn't mean I won't end up having brunch this Sunday.
There's always one moron who bring his political hobby horse into it.
Dédéjr: Whatever man,
I have lr 4.4 i like it and am keeping it.
How many chaps have overpriced showpony macs or iphones hmm??? Lots i bet.
Until it does not support your new camera or your new OS. And I OWN my iPhone and my Macs. I don't rent them.
micahmedia: Great, can I get it without the BS file management crap?
Well, basically I manage my files in folders and just make Lightroom mirror the folders. I trust ACDSee rather more for cataloguing.
OBI656: Aperture / DxO and CaptureOne ... Better Choices. I am finish with ADOBE.
Thank you but no Thank you.
Not everyone adopts Adobe's business model. More than 60 companies bought out and discounted so far.
micahmedia: The petition is up to 13k sigs! Is Adobe paying attention yet?!
http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model
Gee, with this announcement they stopped their stock tailspin. Imagine if they announced the continuation of a PS CS option? One can only wonder about the possibilities...
Never mind Stu, you can keep filling Adobe's coffers to replace those of us who have left. Those initial sign-ups to the cloud came because it was voluntary and made good business sense FOR THEM. I've talked to IT departments in three big broadcast companies in the past few days who (first) were not aware of this until I told them, and (second) are now looking to change software. You can't expect many accounts or purchasing department to sign on to a lease when they have ZERO control over future terms of that lease.
PicOne: Shouldn't quote have read: "We have no plans [this week] to make Lightroom subscription-only at any point in the future." ?
Yes.
ljfinger: "Basically we have no plans to make Lightroom subscription-only at any point in the future. We have plans to make Lightroom available in its current form pretty much indefinitely."
Despite the clarity of this statement, the tin-foil hatters are out in full-force. Just goes to show how hated the CC model is - it can even turn ordinarily-rational people into conspiracy-theorists.
One doesn't have to be a conspiracy theorist to realise that a company that's publicly said it does not want you, does not want you. They unilaterally changed the rules in their favour once, have now made not only Photoshop but also Premiere unusable to me. Only a fool thinks it stops there.
ayq: Adobe, you've destroyed what remaining respect I had for you. "...we have no plans to make Lightroom subscription-only...". No doubt true, until of course, you decide to change your mind. You've had your last dollar from me. Goodbye.
If your significant other cheats on you and lies to you, you are much better off looking for another than trusting this one in the future. The trust is GONE.
Very comprehensive article in the light of current knowledge.I particularly like your point that Adobe have rendered their own usefulness for archival purposes obsolete. Thanks.
GaryJP: Google "Adobe CS Alternatives" for a bunch of suggestions in different areas of Adobe's programs. Goliath got to be Goliath because we fed him. Sometimes you have to support the contenders.
More than one article appears when I Google it.
Retne: Meta comment to DPR:
Please can you randomly change the order of this poll? Otherwise, it's going to be hard for anyone who knows anything anything about polls to take it seriously, and I'd love for Adobe to take it seriously.
Oh, and my main concern (I chose my second) was that there's no way to view files. With, say, MS's sub I know there's Word, Excel, Powerpoint viewers so I can look at my files and print to PDF. I know of no such option for CC.
You are right. It is even worse for video editors than for photographers and illustrators because the proprietary file in video editing plays an even more crucial role and usually takes up more man hours. Last year, Apple messed up ad drove us to Premiere. Now Adobe is making me get back on the Final Cut Pro X learning curve.
Google "Adobe CS Alternatives" for a bunch of suggestions in different areas of Adobe's programs. Goliath got to be Goliath because we fed him. Sometimes you have to support the contenders.
jm67: People are still posting here? Even I have realized that by now, Adobe just does not care. Everyone will interpret the poll differently but I see it as at best, 1 out of 5 thinks Adobe's move is good. Maybe it's more and they aren't happy about the price but will CC-it anyway but still, Adobe just does not care.
What we really need from DPReview is some constructive help. Polls are fun but we need help with alternatives and not everyone has the time and resources to download and test trials. I remember not too long ago they compared raw converters and I'm going to revisit that article. But more helpful would be a fair review of possible alternatives to photoshop. Please leave out lightroom. I need (not yet but maybe in the future, sooner or later and hopefully later) a replacement for "photoshoping", not just raw conversions. Are you up for it DPReview?
Umm. 4.3% is not one out of five. Except to Adobe's accountants.
jefflins: If Corel is smart, they'll GIVE AWAY the current version of their product at a minimum to all PS users. Then they should plan on dumping big bucks at making the product a real PS alternative, even if making a loss in the very short term.
I use both systems. They both have about equal issues. I am not a true believer.
Pat Cullinan Jr: Want a name? It's Shantanu Narayen.
Make a note.
Some of us non-US users have been bitching about this for years. Not only now. And usually US users have responded with "I'm all right Jack, so tough luck."