Menova: I'm after a camera that allows me to take high quality portrait shots. I'm weighing up the Sony Cybershot RX-100 II or the Panasonic Lumix DMC GM1. Both are small and sound like they will yield gorgeous results even in low light and are small enough to come with me wherever I go...BUT I think I need a lens that will allow me to take candid shots while standing further away from my subject. Thoughts?
Get the RX100 if you want a pocketable camera. If you're not fussed about pocketability then get the GM1 ... although with that being the case, why not just save a fortune and go for the vastly superior Sony NEX!
MMS: Why does the GM1 get a Gold Award with 78% but the Sony RX100M2 gets a Silver Award with 79%???
So are most of DP's reviews!
jtimouri: Why is the charger almost as large as the camera itself? Didn't that put the reviewer off?
Yeah, because I always buy my cameras based on the size of the supplied charger.
spitfire31: I am thoroughly puzzled by the fact that Dpreview apparently hasn't found this interesting, off-the-beaten-track camera worthy of a proper review.
What's going on, guys?
DP lost all its credibility as a serious reviewer some time back ... I purely use the site for user comments and feedback ... Well, at least I do as long as the camera is over 6 months old because that's the only way it'll get to appear on the site!!!
ArcaSwiss: Amazing how many experts there are here, NOT. Why do you think this isn't an improvement over the other DP2 Merrills ? Surely Sigma knows what they are doing.
I'm sorry but I have to say, when it comes to photography, peoples opinions are only really valid if they've owned the camera there discussing!
Abdallah II: Sigma, you are a lens maker, couldn't you do this camera with interchangeable lenses?
or at least f1.8!!!!
MarkByland: Great cameras all around. I recently traded my P310 and I wish now that I had not. The addition of RAW is certainly very welcomed. That was the one request I had for the P310. That, and maybe a 16MP sensor upgrade would have been great but would have required lens re-engineering to match. The P series cameras hold better in-hand than the S120. The lack of a grip bar on the front the S120 makes it difficult to one hand shoot if required. That was some thing the P310 could do all day. Much like the Fuji X20, this thing has an amazing close-focus distance for macro.
Jesus, what is it with these idiots who read about P&S cameras and then bitch on about them having no EVF, or hotshoe etc etc etc! Does my bloody head in!
Joachim Gerstl: Anyone still using Photoshop?
Hmmm. Ok, I guess yes?
guyfawkes: Part 2. I was beginning to think I'd made a mistake in buying the A7 as it wasn't my intention to splash out on additional expensive primes, but to use the best of what I had. Things changed, though, when I downloaded Image Data Converter and I was amazed at just how much of a difference this made to the RAW conversions. It isn't a particularly well featured programme, it won't permit layers or batch conversion, for example, but the twelve or so adjustments are more than enough to produce the goods.
Hopefully Sony will release full details of their RAW file so we don't have to rely on reverse engineering which is not quite up to the task.
Too many people have opinions when they don't, or never have, owned the camera/lens in question!
Ben O Connor: There used to be;
Leica M MouthCanon MouthNikon MouthPentax MouthMinolta Mouth (Thanks to Sony , still carries it on)Olympus Mouth------------------------------------Then there comes, (Additional to the ones on top)
Micro 43 mouthNikon 1 mouthEos M mouthFuji MouthNEX mouthEven Pentax Q mouth !!!!!
So Samsung SHUT YOUR MOUTH !!! and co-operate with an existing brand´s mouth, FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!!!!
ps: Micro 4/3 is preety popular, go that way. Actually there are many cameras which uses that system from two different producer. The only camcorder manifacturer is a one, which is not so much user friendly (Blackmagic)
WHY DON´T YOU PRODUCE US A SYSTEM CAMCORDER THAT WE CAN PUT OUR MICRO 4/3 LENSES ON IT AND KEEPING THE PRICE SOMEWHERE 499-799 EUROS/DOLARS/POUNDS...
Calm down, you'll give yourself a Heart attack!
Bearing in mind I own a NEX C-3, 5R, 6 and an RX100 (i.e. I'm used to small camera's), I just saw the GM1 in John Lewis today and I'll say again, OMG ... HOW SMALL IS THIS CAMERA!
This thing is so small it looked like a toy and I had to ask if this was indeed the GM1 or some normal shrunken P&S.
The lens may protrude more than the RX100 but the thing is SO tiny, I can easily see this fitting in a trouser pocket ... or even hung like a bloody charm on a belt!
All I'll say is, when the price gets low enough, I think the RX100 will have to go ... and as per other posts, if they'd have made this thing with a fixed f1.8 or below lens (or can at least offer one as an option) then Panasonic ... take my money!
People ... just go see one in the flesh!!!
The biggest problem with my RX100 is a lack of tilting screen. Yes, it's been addressed with the mark 2, but I don't have the £500 required to make the upgrade. Its also slow on the zoom and a 1.4 lens wouldn't go amiss, but that aside its a lovely camera and the only reason I would look to move to this Panny comes down to its physical and sensor size.
I also own a number of NEX models which are also small in the pocket; and because this is cold Britain, I don't walk around in shorts so pocket wise, the RX100 gets left at home a lot. Hardly use it then which is a shame, but I don't want to sell as its handy to have in my arsenal of cameras (despite the fact the money would come in handy!)
rurikw: Beautiful minimalist design but can't understand the decision to cripple it by leaving out the hot shoe. Its inclusion would hardly have compromised the design in any way. Don't like fixed screens either but this is one of the few cameras where I can understand that choice.
Whenever a small camera (targeted at people who want a SMALL camera!!!) comes out, theres always someone that jumps on the comments board moaning about the lack of hotshoe or EVF!
For once and for all, please could these people engage their brain and realise that to make cameras this small, compromises need to be made, compromises most people won't mind .... Mainly because they have the sense to know if you want these things, the camera is going to be bigger and as such, is WELL supported by the thousands of other cameras available on the market!
No doubt people like you also moan about the large size of full frame cameras ... there's just no winning with your sort!
(NB just to finish on a positive, try looking at a NEX6 ... It gives you the hotshoe you desire, an EVF and larger sensor all in a small package, or of course the RX100 M2 .... But no doubt you'll moan they're not small enough!!!)
This reminds me of the days Sony brought out CyberShot U and everyone went 'WOW' ... then rushed out and bought one because they just couldn't believe such tech could be put into a case so small!
Cane: It may fit in a pocket, but with a lens it becomes a weird shape, like "hey, are you happy to see me". I really don't care how small the body is if it has a protruding lens, as it defeats the point of the small body to begin with.
Yes, but seriously, having seen it today, this thing is SO small, I honestly believe it will fit in a pocket (lens up) ... and as daft as it sounds, could even be clipped onto clothing like a charm ... its that tiny!
Having seen it today, I was amazed!!!!
AndyGM: Hmm, having tried out the "clicking" lens wheel of the S110, and the "clickless" lens wheel of the RX100, it's my personal opinion that the clickless version is nicer to use. But I see Andy and Richard disagree with me, so the Sony and Fujifilm get a negative because of it. I would advise anyone thinking of buying any of these to try them out for yourself, which one of these types of control wheel suits you best is a very personal thing.
Oh my! Having your use of the Rx100 spoilt by the fact the dial doesn't click like the Canons really shows how petty some people can be. For gods sake man, having owned both I understand your point, but is it that much of a show stopper? Think you need to get out more.
samfan: Let me put it this way. As advanced as Sony or Canon are, or as sympathetic as Fujifilm is, or as much as I like lots of other cameras...
The viewfinder, such as it is, on the LF1, gives it a million mile headstart against anything else in its class.
I will never, ever understand how can so many people shoot with their arms stretched, using cameras that are completely unfit for such a goal. I can make due with a positionable LCD (such as on my EX1), but fixed LCD? Never. Even though I have such a compact. It's just a terrible way to take pics (except macro/closeups).
I never liked Panasonic cameras, but recently it seems they're the only one that 'get it' in compacts.
Heck, if I want to carry a small pocket camera, I carry a FILM COMPACT just so I can have a viewfinder in a small camera. Maybe I'll consider such a Panasonic some day.
Well that may suit you but if you've ever tried holding an RX100 to your eye (just pretend it has an evf), you'd know how hopeless this would be compared to holding out and using the screen. Maybe you have short arms, but its clear compacts are obviously not for you ... In which case I recommend a DSLR, because as good as the LF1 and EX2 definitely are, they're not a patch on a model such s the RX100 (having owned them all).
tt321: What's the point of DPR news items when not coupled with previews? By the time something makes to this news section, it would have had a long life in various leak/rumour environments and become stale.
Knowing DPR you'll not see a review for another 8 months min (I'm being serious!) ... although you will be kept updated on new mobile phones and other shitty cameras.
Harsh words .. but unfortunately true!
Anadrol: They could have at least put the new 20MP sensor in !
Why ... this would lead to more low light noise ... do most people really need above 16 (I never print A3 or above!)
LightCatcherLT: unless Sony changes it's idiotic menu system to something like Canon, Panasonic or Olympus have I will never use any NEX camera nor any of my friends will. It's simply unusable and source of constant frustration...
Good point overlooked by many (including Sony). The 5T release seems like its just an excuse to charge an extra £200 - the update was completely lacking ... although I have to say I'm pleased as I've just purchased a new 5R 16-50mm for only £379!!!
What was (realistically) missing: a better touch screen, better menu system, perhaps a physical PSAM dial and most importantly, decent priced 18-200mm, F1.4 and f1.8 glass!!!!