Dave Oddie: Lenses like the 8.5mm are what all the smaller formats lack. You have to go with a zoom in most cases as far as I am aware on m43 and aps-c with most primes being no wider than 14mm. (Unless you want a fisheye)
See Samyang's 10mm f/2.8 rectilinear wide-angle prime for APS-C.
viking79: It really is a wonderful lens, and given that the light transmission is about the same as the Nikkor 58mm f/1.4 it is a bargain price, and resolves far more detail than that lens. At least the Nikon is good if you want "character".
To tell the truth this lens completely embarrasses new nikon. http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-FE-Carl-Zeiss-Sonnar-T-STAR-55mm-F18-versus-Nikon-AF-S-Nikkor-58mm-F14G-on-Nikon-D800___1252_0_1254_792
Just look at sharpness map at f/1.8. Nikon is just not worth half of the price it's being sold for.
nerd2: Even with misleading f1.2 aperture the DOF control (or lack thereof) looks worse than lowly 50mm 1.8 on APS-C camera. If you're after portrait, save your money and go to larger format period.
Nope, f/1.2 on m4/3 is exactly f/1.6 on APS-C. f/1.4 on APS-C is f/1 on m4/3. Just to the math.
ryanshoots: Not so sure. There was a lot of purple fringing on the tree trunks and branches.
Yeah extreme corners at f/1.4 don't look that sexy.
Mike99999: I don't understand why everyone is raving about this lens. Judging from the sample pictures the rendering is awful. I *strongly* prefer the images I'm seeing from the Panasonic 20/1.7, the underrated Olympus 17/1.8 and from the new Sony Zeiss FE 35/2.8.
Seems like a repeat of the highly overrated Fuji 35/1.4 which is basically a rebadged Sigma 30/1.4 which nobody wants to admit. Behind the scenes Sigma is an OEM for many major brands, and Fuji is definitely one of them.
They forgot to tell him that flange is 26mm different. Yeah, totally the same lens, bro.
Jogger: Zeiss is betting/expecting that FF will eventually supplant MF.. 56mp FF will be the next jump in resolution, and that is only a few years away. The Otus line is being positioned as the premium, no-compromise lens of choice when this eventually happens.
D7100 stretched at the same pixel density to FF would yield 24mp * 1.5 * 1.5 = 54mp, not 145mp.
naththo: You should go to Image Resource. They already have Comparometer for those Sony A7 and A7R. You can judge by that. A7 seems to have no problem with focus so far I noticed. The A7R does exhibit softness due to cramping in 36mp into full frame sensor compare to A7 is sharper. And I am concern about the diffraction in more mp than less mp. Also to do with the noise that may be more noisy in 36mp than 24mp to compare. I prefer A7 over that due to hybrid focus is more advantage of it.
> The A7R does exhibit softness due to cramping in 36mp into full frame sensor compare to A7 is sharper.
PEOPLE YOU SHOULD REALLY START COMPARING THINGS AT THE SAME REPRODUCTION SIZE. IT DRIVES ME MAD WHEN YOU COMPARE THINGS AT 100% SCREEN MAGNIFICATION AND DRIVE CONCLUSIONS FROM IT. JUST STOP. PLEASE.
JimWongyyz: This is the camera that Steve Jobs would approve.
Jobs would approve camera with 10 million useless buttons? Nope.
victorragusila: Lots of people seem very disappointing with this camera...I am trying to understand why. It has a great sensor, it offers the manual controls it promised, the looks and the ergonomics it promised (old school). Anyone that complains about AF, isnt the point of this camera to use MF?
It is expensive because physical stuff is expensive. Software and features can be added for "free" because all the cost it has to be recuperated is the development cost. With physical stuff (dials, buttons, nice construction), the cost is for the stuff itself. Also, Nikon sees it as a small volume camera, so it will cost a more.
Besides all the ridiculous pretensions about "pure photography" it seems they provide pretty much what they promised...
> isnt the point of this camera to use MF?
NOPE, this has camera doesn't have any usable manual focusing aids. No focus peaking. No split prism or for gods sake a microprism. And you can't even change that after the fact.
Huge disappointment. Form without substance.
Eduardoo: I am afraid this camera is not simple enough for my taste. Why a PSAM dial? And so many buttons...
If you select the S mode with the dial, what happens with the speed dial? Does it stop working?
I hope the functionality logic is not a mess.
> The Fuji camera has no concept of PASM mode as it is redundant with the other dials...
The only problem is that they do have modes. And that drove me nuts when I owned X-E1:
1. Let's say you set Shutter to A, Aperture to f/5.6, ISO to Auto, Exposure compensation to -1. (It would say something like A in the bottom left corner.) And lets say the camera has picked 1/125 for you.
2. Than you decide to fix this particular shutter speed, and you move the dial to 1/125 and you suddenly get a brighter exposure! Why? Because bottom left corner has changed to M and in that mode Exposure Compensation doesn't work any more. What the f*cking hell?! Was is that hard to make it work as TAv on pentax/ricoh cameras?
Fuji has made a lot of good decisions in their cameras but usability is lacking... X-E1 drove me nuts due to lots of small problems like that, lets see how X-Pro2 will turn out next year.
Donnie G: My guess is that this camera will be a bare bones, entry level, full framer that will replace the APS-C D300 series in the Nikon lineup. Having some type of hybrid ovf/evf switchable viewfinder and support for full compatibility with all of Nikon's legacy dslr glass along with completely analog controls will be the camera's defining feature set. I'm also guessing that this camera will be priced at around USD $1800, just like the D300 series was. To me, that would be the move that would make the most sense within the Nikon marketing scheme. :)
KW Phua: 100D become smallest DSLR, so I am waiting for the smallest APEC G1X mk2. Dual pixel AF, Dual pixel exp, f/1.4 ~ f/2.8, 24 ~ 150 mm, switchable macro filter. 20 fps.
REDred Photo: This camera design is reminiscent of the classic Canonet QL17 GIII. This was a beautifully simple, sub-Lecia sized, fixed 40mm f/1.7 rangefinder. It may even be a little smaller than the Fuji and probably weighs 2 or 3 times as much... but it's a beautifully simple brick of metal and glass that just works. I've always wished for a digital camera with that same form factor and I think this is it.
I'm thinking a X-E2 with the 23mm lens would be the perfect replacement. :-)
Or you can get 27mm if you like 40mm FOV and compactness of pancakes.
HubertChen: The FE lens mount is brilliant, and compliments to Sony.
Sony has 3 lens mounts now: Alpha, E and FE. And this camera can use them all. With all automatic couplings. Great backwards compatibility and yet most modern features in one lens mount. Sony needs to be applauded to allow Sony users to reuse their lenses instead of forcing them to re-buy in a different mount. Very commendable.
As for the future it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. Will Sony over time consolidate the lenses to the FE / E mount? E for APSC and FE for FF? And you can mix and match to your hearts content. Use FF lens on APSC Sensor and APSC lens on FF sensor? And whenever you come across legacy alpha glass, you use an adapter.
I am curious to see if this is the end of the DSLR for Sony? Personally, I already do not miss the OVF any more :-)
> Will Sony over time consolidate the lenses to the FE / E mount? E for APSC and FE for FF? And you can mix and match to your hearts content. Use FF lens on APSC Sensor and APSC lens on FF sensor?
You already can do this. FE is not a new mount but an abbreviation for "e-mount lens that covers full frame image circle". Existing E mount lens for A7 and FE lens work on NEX-7 from day one. If lens doesn't cover full image circle you'll be able to either see full image with dark corners or automatically crop to APS-C sized part of the image.
Chert: There is a contradiction in the article. It says:
"and also have XGA (1024 x 768 pixel) electronic viewfinders,"
if you multiply those, you get just under 0.8 Mpixel (800K)
Yet, later it says:
XGA (2.4 million dot) electronic viewfinder
Based on experience with my a77, I presume the later is correct and not the former.
I LOVE the 100% field of view on the Sony cameras - I used a Nikon D70 once, with it's 95% or whatever. I carefully framed a photo - making sure I had the trash can out of the corner. Took the shot, looked at it and wanted to slam the camera to the ground. (This was back in the day that I was using my A2 camera, which wasn't working that day - worked perfectly after that, but that day was totally dead Very strange.)
Although, 100% of my lenses are A mount, I hope this positions Sony to grab customers away from Cannon and Nikon.
Pixels are not the same as dots. Dots are individual components of the pixel. Each pixel has three dots: R, G, B. 0.8m pixel * 3 = 2.4m dot.
It's a shame that Manfrotto doesn't make tripods with detachable center column. Everything else looks really good.
nikos theodosiou: Leica's S2 is a great camera I have used done, however as with most things Leica they are about three years behind everyone else!37.8MP is not that special nowadays with the Phase One IQ backs going up to 80MP and Hasselblad having 60MP.Probably the best MF camera out there at the moment is the Hasselblad H5D 200MS yes 200MP! If you compare the files the HD5 takes against the S2 its like Halina compact! If Leica really want to get pros to use their S2 they need to speed things up hugely! Nice camera but they live in the past!
H5D 200MS doesn't have 200MP. It has only 50 and merges multiple shots in software to get to simulated 200 (called super resolution technique). This can be done with any other camera in post processing with software like PhotoAcute.
rxbot: The M 1 and A 1 should be tested with the 18mm f2 lens and tested against each other and other cameras fitted with similar 28mm equivalent lens. I would include the E-M 1 as this would just compare still IQ not other aspects it would be interesting to see how a $600 with kit lens (A 1) but use the 18mm for test would compare to GX7,E-M 1,NEX6,NX300 and say Nikon D7000 to keep it at 16MP and of course the GR and Nikon A should be included also.
18mm is the worst lens in the lineup (i've tried it). It is definitely softer than Nikon A and Ricoh GR and just about any prime in this rage.
Jimmy jang Boo: The Phase One laughs at everything else.
Hope that this comparison will finally make people stop saying that D800 is comparable to medium format. It's not.
Jogger: You should list the lens that you use for each camera... e.g. its incorrect to compare tele macro primes with wide angles as has been done in the past on DPR.
> Just out of curiosity, why are the Fuji Xtrans APSC sensors shot at 35mm vs 50?
I concur. 60mm is MUCH closer to your expected 85mm FF equiv focal length. It's also much sharper and will show what's sensor is capable of rather than the lens capable of.