Mayl: I've summed up the comments, so you don't have to read them:
1. Regular people complaining of recycling old tech2. Canon fanboys defending canon
Yes, classifying someone as an owner of Canon in anything but the most painfully clear manner does leave someone grasping for straws with exactly the weaksauce argument they're looking for, Mayl. Excellent excuse to behave with no consideration for others.
Donnie G: The specs that matter to those millions of Costco shoppers are low price, easy WIFI/NFC/Canon Connect Station use without the need for a computer, and DSLR performance, including OVF goodness and comfortable user ergonomics that are demonstratively superior to anything they could get from their smartphones and compact all in one cameras. Add it all up and it becomes easy to see why the Canon T6 will be another volume sales leader for the brand. :))
BigOne,Way to draw an extremely sexist, antiquated, offensive metaphor into this discussion. Bravo. And Canon making a cheap camera doesn't make them a cheap brand. The vast majority of professionals use Canon and make good money doing so.Canon pioneered video in DSLRs. They pioneered making a DSLR that was even affordable to the average person, and that started just shy of two grand. They created DP PDAF that holds tremendous potential as we've seen in the latest higher-end DSLR releases. People can latch on to a cheap, budget camera as evidence that Canon is losing touch, but that ignores the more feature rich, expensive cameras that force other camera makers to adapt or die. Without Canon Sony and Nikon would still make crappy cameras that they pushed on people back in the early '00s.Paint Canon sales as a result of a marketing machine or consumers of low intelligence all you want, but without Canon killing in the marketplace, phones would have taken over about five years ago.
Alan53: Your report starts “Canon has announced its latest entry-level DSLR”. It seems that at least some of your readers (and they are usually quick to shoot down products like this) do not really understand the concept of “entry level”. Do you want to educate them someday?? (or are they past help?)
LOL...."Since when have image quality and art been mutually exclusive?" -- Words I didn't speak or imply. Enjoy being a basher of those who might have perfectly good reasons for wanting this camera.I haven't said a single thing about whether this is a good or a bad camera, by the way. I've said that some people may have their own good reasons, both objective and subjective, for wanting this camera. I've also said that insulting people for having their own reasons is dumb. You have your own reasons and should you be told you don't have the best camera available today does that make your technical, monetary, physical, personal reasons suddenly invalid? Anonymity has emboldened to behave as though the human consumer can be summed up as one easily defined homogenous stereotype that doesn't exist.
You're implying art can't be made with this camera? Art requires the latest tech? What's the DR threshold for art? Do tell. I'm fascinated and curious and amazed at this new development in the definition of art. As far as I know, art can be made with a piece of film negative and a pinhole camera. At what point was digital photography capable of producing art? Was my old 5D and 10D incapable of making art? Should I return the thousands of dollars I earned selling works I defined erroneously as "art" made with those cameras? Do my 7D and G1 X and 5DIII stop making art when a new Sony sensor comes out? Does the 1D XII sensor render my previously slow frame-rate sports shots "artless"? I mean, I could have theoretically caught some in between frames that might have been way, way (???) better....I guess, apparently. Back when I shot film with a fully manual camera, sports no less, are all those shots I captured at exactly the right moment through skill rather than tech not art?
Steve841: Intended customer, blah, blah. People buy these or are talked into buying and have no idea what they are doing. Thus they get returned.
Only a few months ago the T5 refurbs with kit lens was $200 on CANON"S site. Give this one a while and the same thing will happen. Same as with T3 and numerous canons.
Steve,You don't understand what a refurb is. When a camera is returned to the store it is sold as an opened item at a discount. A refurb is a unit sent in to Canon as defective, where it is repaired and refurbished to like-new condition. Returns and refurbs have nothing to do with each other. It's possible that a return that was a defective unit would be sent back to Canon and refurbished, but if it was just an open box because someone changed their mind the store takes the hit. That's why they ask "was there anything wrong with the item?" which is kind of a dumb way to do things, but until someone says "I want a new one because this one is broken" I guess it's the most efficient way to turn over merchandise. Canon doesn't discount returns. There's no "Returned Item" or "Open Box" category on their site that I've ever seen. Have I missed something?
loitokitok,The quickest way for people here to feel superior is to find any reason they can to spew bile all over anything and everything that comes from a market leader they feel is undeserving. They say things based on their own fictional reality, feel so much better for knowing more than everyone else, and join in a vast group of "individuals" whose only qualification for entry is knowing better than everyone else.Look at what Barn says about correcting inaccurate color through white balance, RAW, etc. He obviously doesn't have even the most basic grasp on color reproduction and what RAW processing is capable of. The color correction he suggests has been demonstrated time and time again as a nearly impossible prospect, even with color profiling tools used at the point of capture.The blind have convinced themselves that they have, in reality, superhuman vision and thus must lead us all into their own personal cesspool.I suggest they allow people to decide for themselves only.
Tariag: I'm totally not the average/intended customer of that camera, but I may buy one, for when I travel and don't want to take my FF DSLR along (for weight as well as theft reasons). So I'll buy the cheapest DSLR (why DSLR and not mirrorless? Sensor size, responsiveness and low light AF, at the same price level, don't satisfy me for now), maybe this one, maybe a similar one from Nikon or Sony...
Do your research and buy what works for you. Don't let the trolls here dissuade you from choosing any given camera. This place has been allowed to be inundated by trash talkers with nothing to contribute and I take my leave of it. Best of luck and enjoy the camera whatever it is.
Marty4650: The intended customer for this camera has absolutely no idea how old the sensor is, how dated the technology is, how unsatisfactory the build quality might be, or that it lacks many features that Dpreview members think all cameras should have.
They will see it at Walmart, and buy it. And Canon will make a profit on every single 1300D sold.
And if you want more camera, Canon has those too. You just won't find those cameras at Walmart or Target. This camera isn't for everyone, and I won't be buying it. But lots of other people will.
You need 20fps to take a good picture. Or wait, no...whatever Barn says is what you need to take a good picture.
Past help. Tech junkies all and not a single photographer.
Don Sata: The sad thing is this dinosaur will sell quite well.
And you are the keeper and sole arbiter of what is "better". Why is it so hard for your to understand that your opinion isn't fact?If someone doesn't like a camera because of a menu system, the spec doesn't matter. If someone doesn't like a camera because they don't like the color balance of images, the spec doesn't matter. If someone doesn't like a camera because of the size or ergonomics, the spec doesn't matter. If someone won't use a camera for whatever reason, the spec doesn't matter. Some people set a camera up on a tripod and think about their pictures rather than machine gunning a million images and hoping for something good later. Maybe they don't shoot sports. Maybe they want Canon lenses. You are an egomaniac and I pity anyone who asks you for your advice because you don't care even a little bit about what will be useful for them...they'll just get a spec sheet from you. You don't care about a camera, or a brand, and you shamelessly troll as though it is your moral duty.
If a hammer can get a nail through a board, does the user of that hammer qualify as less of a craftsman, a less intelligent human, for not spending five grand on a nail gun that roofers use to install thousands of shingles in an hour?This is no longer the megapixel wars of the early double aughts. Cameras don't have atrocious noise at ISO 1600 like my 10D did. The 7D sensor was stellar. Adding 1.5 stops of DR to a modern sensor isn't the same as adding it back when DR was much lower thanks to noise. Just like going from 5MP to 10MP is different than going from 25MP to 30MP, there are diminishing returns. And if a camera can produce a good image in a lot of various situations, there's nothing wrong with it. It isn't any less of a valuable tool because something exists with bleeding edge tech that almost nobody will ever use....except maybe professionals and tech junkies.
If a camera maker produces a tool that fulfills someone's needs and performs competently, then why is that sad? What's sad is that if someone has different priorities from you and sees value in a camera that can create exceptional images when you don't, you believe that's sad. Pretending like you are qualified to make decisions for others, that's sad.
T3: I find it astounding that people here are defending Canon-- even cheering them on-- for selling such re-packaged mediocrity, and for a fairly high price, too.
Telling people they are wasting their time for crapping on a useful tool isn't the same as cheering or defending. It's a camera. You not liking it does not invalidate the opinions of those who do like it. It's that simple.
Or maybe Canon people don't go into other forums and brand announcements to crap all over everyone because we don't have inferiority complexes from our mothers not hugging us enough when we were kids.....or maybe hugging us too much to the point of giving us the impression we were princes whose opinions needed to be defocated down upon all those not smart enough to agree with us. Mayl, being a self-centered, negative jerk doesn't make you a brilliant person any more than me disagreeing with your blather makes me a fanboy. Cognitive dissonance has nothing to do with letting people make their own decisions without people calling them morons.
fatdeeman: People keep saying it's entry level as a justification for the old sensor but Nikon's equivalent camera has one of if not the best APS-C sensor available.
Wipe that off your face before you leave the room, fellas.
BarnET: hey Canon why do you settle for this This is after all your new Eos T6
18 megapixels isn't the best stuffWhy not 24 just to show some love?
Even the video is looking poorWhile you guys used to own that floor
Canon please Can't you see? This looks older then a CRT TV
well i have something to confess I am off to Sony at least they impress
life is too short to waste time and wait. So off to E-mount which is looking great.
You are such a tool.
steelhead3: Canon is the Kodak of the 21st century
Because Canon HAS to suck for these people to feel like they chose a camera that somehow solidifies their status as individual, free thinkers. They treat their camera like a gd doctorate in being unique and unappreciated.
ttran88: With cameras like this can you blame regular consumers for using their iphones more and more?
Wait, you took pictures in bright daylight with a phone and it looked good? That never happens....other than millions of times a day, I mean. A DSLR is good for flexibility and I have no doubt that when your lighting drops below that of our nearest star unobscured by clouds, then that DSLR that can focus much, much, much faster than a crappy phone and take higher ISO pictures with less noise allowing for less blurry (faster shutter speed) exposures then maybe you'll see the value in your DSLR.
mariuss: The good thing about this camera is ...
Competition in this marketplace is always good. If others use more advanced sensor tech and yet can't overcome their own poor user interface/menu, controls, systems (lenses, accessories, etc), colors, support, etc. then they deserve to see this generally shat upon model outsell all of their wonderful, bleeding edge landfill fodder.