plastique2: Camera no gripPropeller no shipA season to skip
I am sure you could get a chap to make one for you. The fact you think this way rather gives you away as unsuitable for ownership of the brand. There must be someone on the staff good at this sort of thing.
SPerez: Really funny to see so many opinions over a camera with apparently nearly not any interest. I have a Leica Q since four months ago and it is a superb camera. Sorry for saying this in this hostile environmentKind regards for everybody
There are 2 pleasures that Leica give. The prestige and glamour of owning one and the pure joy of mocking the people who own them. If you can throw vast amounts of money at precipitously diminishing returns I recommend the former and for the rest of us it has to be the latter.All good fun really. If we could not laugh at the necessities of life affluent people require where would we be.
Peiasdf: Quite a messy take down. SONY's take down is much cleaner and no wonder SONY can fit so much into a slim body. I think Panasonic also have cleaner design than Olympus
Sony are having trouble fitting all the heat generated in to such slim bodies.
JEROME NOLAS: Sony promised bette lenses long time ago. Where are they?
We will have to see if a replacement camera costing twice as much without an affordable lens to complement it matches the sales of its predecessor. Sony are emulating the Samsung end game with an expensive top end model and a cheap cut back model so it all still looks very similar to me.Possibly the fan base will put up with any neglect so the actual kit probably does not matter. Sony are good at marketing you have to give them that.To upgrade people will need to go in to an entirely different camera pricing zone for a very similar camera. A touch of wild, experimental and unpredictable marketing going on here especially with the plethora of concurrent old models swanning around.
2eyesee: Is anyone else getting rather cynical about Sony's habit of keeping old cameras on the market to justify charging a premium for their new tech?
There's no way this camera should be viewed as anything other than a replacement of the A6000. Just as the RX10 II should have been a replacement of the RX10 and the RX100M4 a replacement of the RX100M3.
@Dr_JonMy local camera shop who are seem pretty much in touch with all things photographic told me that all the Sony RX100 marks are still in production. It is in contrast to the normal dump and then junk old models quickly, though there are exceptions. My last foray in to NEX hurt me because the NEX 6 a bargain at £600 was then undercut by the more austere in many ways A6000 at £450 and now the mark is back up to the £1,000 of the old viewfinder models at the start. No Moore's law in photography. I find it all very confusing and difficult to know where Sony is going except full frame but is there really enough money around for there to be any significant scale there? Out of my league definitely.It is difficult having kit where you want to sell it 2 years later and you are competing with brand new later marks stuff selling at cost which guarantees hefty depreciation. If people can write off equipment then good luck to them and no problem but how many can do that?
It is a lot cheaper than creating a comprehensive flexible range of cameras. Just hang on to the old version as a cheap alternative and sell an enhanced model of the same camera without expensive retooling costs in the factory. All a bit desperate really and these bulk box shifters are just failing to get the class in to their act that the traditional camera makers achieve with style and panache.
Samsung is dead and Sony aps-c is on life support. It is difficult to see with only 2 bodies howit is going to survive. The situations look awfully similar. £1,000 if you want a viewfinder and that is body only.
Calvin Chann: Samsung, want to watch how to do it. Watch Fuji, who are now celebrating the 5th anniversary of the X system. In 5 years, the system now has good bodies and a meaningful collection of lenses and accessories. Maybe the flash is lacking a bit, but they're working on it.
5 years. How much short was Samsung?
Fuji also have a system of communicating with their user base which I think is the most important factor. Samsung either spin hyperbole when it suits them else maintain a sullen silence at all other times. The fact that DPR is having to use a B&H discontinue as a clue to Samsung's intentions shows what a hard information vacuum surrounds this company most of the time, in to which endless rumours hiss in to the multiple leaks.I expect their legal section will working up a cryptic deniable reply to DPR as we speak, that is if they are at all bothered about anyone knowing.
Ruy Penalva: Mirrorless is a toy not a true camera for action, sports, small insects, birds, moving wide life, journalism. Maybe for video shooters.
@Ruy PenalvaI suspect the majority of readers here are amateurs so that is no problem. I gather you must be a a Pro and think amateurs are stupid. That is the only message I get from your post. Or are you a Semi-Pro which his how many of the more self assured gifted photographers like to think of themselves if they cannot make a living out of it?
Can you give us an indication at what size of insect we can start to use our mirrorless cameras?
Alphoid: I hope the second generation supports all Canon lenses, not just Sigma ones. If so, I'll be extremely tempted to switch to E-mount+Canon glass.
I'm not in the market for a new camera, but it looks like we're very close to coming to something essentially ideal. Canon has by far the nicest lenses for what I do, especially combined with Sigma glass. Sony has almost no glass I'd want to use in E-mount (a fair bit of A-mount), but by far the best bodies. If the two worked together, it'd be an ideal system.
Plus, you'll get into all sorts of nice, esoteric niches with this. Stabilized Canon tilt-shift lenses. Etc.
@Alpha AdamsHow did Ansel Adams get around short battery life then? I suspect by not needing them. My early days were with a Boots Beirette camera and that did not use electricity in any way and that was a long time after Ansel Adams.I suppose someone has to get an Ansel Adams homility in to the discussion somehow.Anyone know Cartier Bresson's views on third party batteries as opposed to the official ones?
pacnwhobbyist: It seems like a step back in IQ over its predecessor.
I agree. Probably they are bouncing the pixel count up and down to entice different buyers at each iteration. The must have the pixels and the lower is better people. I suspect there are more of the former than the latter and 12mp probably cuts the sales.
I think this series peaked with the TZ40/ZS30. This was ultra small with a touch screen and GPS and a more reasonable 20x zoom but probably too many pixels but it has never really made that much difference. New cameras come out just because they have to produce new cameras and whether there is a real need for them is not an issue. The rear screen is very good so the EVF was never vital in my view.
Dragonrider: For what it's worth, DXO Optics does a much quieter conversion than ACR on a ZS40, so when DXO gets the ZS60 profiled, expect to see considerable improvement there as well. The prime NR process is too slow for general use, but if you have a keeper that you want to look good, it really cleans up the noise without much loss of detail.
@nicobostonNothing you are posting is relevant to this specific camera.If you want to beef about this type of sensor size why not go to a general topic forum and air your opinions. Have you anything to say about the TZ80 as a camera in relation to other cameras of its type.Large sensor gear sneerers trolling these compact camera threads really serves no purpose and it all becomes very tedious and repetitive.
nicoboston: I guess the purpose of these cameras (the present Lumix is just an example) is to show that putting 18 MP on such a small sensor is still useless.
Sigh. Anyway people love this, so I hope that Panasonic will sell plenty of DMC-ZS60: it will generate revenue for the development of good cameras.
As far as I'm concerned, I think my Powershot G2 (purchased in 2001, 4MP, still works perfectly) gives more pleasant images.
There is more of a problem with people that think the f number is aperture. Your G2 has a maximum aperture of 8.4mm and the TZ80 opens to 20mm at full zoom.
Ridethelight: Why does anyone need such a massive zoom in this type of camera ? When I take photos, I like to be in the near vicinity of the subject, I'm seriously intrigued to what these super zooms are supposed to be for .Tiny sensor and a slow zoom in 2016 is actually depressing .
Why do you care? Presumably people want to take pictures when they cannot be in the near vicinity without being encumbered with heavy kit and you do not. In which case why are you even posting in a thread on small sensor compact long zooms? This is probably the cause of your depression rather than a fault in the camera type.
photogeek: Or you could just stick your lens in a thick cotton sock. The lenses are pretty tough, so they tend to do fine with fairly minimal protection. The sock protects the lens from rubbing against other lenses in the bag, if you care about cosmetics. Added benefit: you can wear it if you run out of clean socks.
You might slowly see some of the lint and fluff from the socks reappear in your lens though as changes in atmospheric pressure move air in and out the lens and a plane journey will of course really do the business. If any lens elements extend a good clean will be needed before use, especially the mount end.
Marcin 3M: Every time I hear about ceasing of this or other silver-halide material, I feel sad. And I'm pretty sure, that it is not only nostalgia. Almost each of these products was also mean of artistic expression, impossible to be fully replicate by digital. Don't get me wrong - digital is awesome, IQ of images is awesome, printers does very good job on premium quality papers... But I feel we loose something.
Every Polaroid camera I have ever owned churned out images that were truly dreadful even then but convenient given the technology at the time. Fun then but entirely redundant now I would have thought.
Franka T.L.: nothing confusing here, you state a protocol, the media and device need to support that to work full function, isn't that apparent and straight forward. Want a mess, take a look at DIY PC building and what they have
@dccpThat's OK. You hit a bit of a raw nerve as both my wife and I go nuts at these 'for Seniors' books. I chose my word carefully in contradict as I never think anyone should not be able to state an opinion even if if not to my liking. Difficult to read text only stuff anyhow as one can interpret it in completely the wrong way:) Take care.
@dccdpWhy do you think Granny is uneducated? I am a Grandad and if anything technology is a lot simpler now with USB and all that. Computing really came in when I was about 25 and in the early days you did not have USB but had to run a Zip drive through the printer port and re-arrange all the device interrupts so you could still use the printer. Why first printer was a Radio Shack thermal printer and I had to solder up my own cable to get it to work with my Dragon 32 computer.This spate of computing for seniors really shows a total lack of knowledge about how a lot more ingenuity was needed in the early days to get it all working than in this automated age. So I have endure people writing Computing for Seniors teaching me how to suck eggs who where in nappies when I was helping set up PC systems in the City in DOS and the early Windows versions. No plug and pray(sic) then. This permanently open season on old age as a target really grates and needs contradicting.