Joe Talks Photo Gear: If only the sensor grew. If only. Isn't it time for that? A nice step forward with the evf.
If the sensor grows then the optics grow. The performance of these little 1/1.7" sensors is very good know and sufficient for the purposes I am sure.
b craw: It is nice to see this at $400, but in my opinion the poor fixed LCD and (to my eye) too sparse button/dial set-up on the back might be problematic. The Samsung NX20 is APS-C 20MP as well and is WiFi enabled, has an articulating LCD, good controls for $550.
You are missing the point that Sony are opening at this low price. As I said below the Samsung NX20 is a $1,000 camera and this $550 is just an end of line dumping price.This camera is going to put the cat amongst the pigeons in mirrorless pricing.
AbrasiveReducer: Great news for consumers. Canon, Nikon & Fuji may not go this low but everyone else will have to. There should be some amazing deals for the holiday season.
@b craw. The Samsung NX20 is not comparable as its recommended retail price is $1099 according to Samsung's site.
Sony must have made a major breakthrough here and found a way around the normally massive cost incurred in not putting a mirror in a camera.
I think everyone commenting up to this point have missed the most important point which is how sharp are the corners of these photos.
It does make the the Olympus range of everythingless cameras look rather bare and spartan in comparison.
Probably not Leica branded as the Leica guy had to go into therapy after seeing this lens. The first ultra zoom fish eye lens that can apparently resolve to 16mp on a 1/2.3" sensor. Interesting to see the results. My 20x TZ40 certainly cannot resolve 18mp on a 1/2.3" sensor, 12mp in practice but Panasonic obviously find marketing a camera with not enough f's difficult but I appreciate them trying so back to pixel packing..
Despite that it will probably be a handy little device within its limitations.
Seagull67: Acquiring more stuff than you actually use is of course very much a privileged First World 'problem' . If I put as much time in trying to take good and better photographs and learning about the art of photography as I do checking our 'gear porn' then I'd be a far better photographer. That said this site has helped me enormously to get the most out of a camera and lenses I really love using daily, those being the Fujifilm XE 1 with 35 mm lens and the 18-55 zoom. Perhaps on this site there should also be forums for Walker Evans, Cartier Bresson, William Eggleston, and Atget fans (etc. etc.) so art and commerce can go hand in hand? I'm interested in why we love photography & the power it has in our lives, but I'm passionate about technological progress too. We need the balance, but I'm striving to own only what I regularly use.
It is probably an example how our privileged first world life can create a dissatisfaction that we try to compensate for. It was interesting that when I was on Prozac for a short time my desire to constantly buy gadgets completely disappeared so it is probably just disrupted brain chemistry, probably from the rather mechanistic, form driven and cold world we inhabit in the West. Probably just too low a serotonin level in the brain and some of us can top it up it by rewarding obsessive interests.It is interesting that a Doctor just laughed when I mentioned that the obsessive desire to purchase things disappeared which just shows how clueless medicine at ground level is about these problems, which can lead to devastating financial problems for many people.
Probably that little red R on the camera is in many ways cooler than the little red dot. Splashing out all that money on a common non U camera brand shows more style in many ways than buying a Leica. I think if I win the lottery this would be a tempting subtle way to show one's wealth to those that know. Having to post process all the moire out sounds boring but I suppose I can get someone to do that for me.
Dave Oddie: In the UK making someone redundant and then giving their job to someone else is illegal.
It's the position not the person that must be redundant.
Yes but what companies do is reorganise the operating structure so for example divisions A and B are being discontinued and there will be divisions C and D instead. Then people are assessed for their suitability for transfer to the new operating environment. The people you do not like will be found unsuitable for the new structure so lo and behold you are rid of the people you do not like as redundant.
By the time the modern corporations and their efficiency experts/bean counters have rationalised everything completely it is probable that nobody will be doing anything at all. If you do nothing you can do nothing wrong.
Greynerd: The advantage of Photoshop is you can buy find books easily on how to use it. I used to use Paintshop Pro but there seems to be a dearth of printed literature on how to use it to its full extent.
Thanks for the info Lyle which is handy for the Corel users but it is nice to just go into a bookshop and see what you are getting. Even large newsagents have photoshop books but rarely Paintshop. The Online tutorials from Corel are very good but I am a bit old fashioned and like a printed book.
The advantage of Photoshop is you can buy find books easily on how to use it. I used to use Paintshop Pro but there seems to be a dearth of printed literature on how to use it to its full extent.
I do love it when sigma bring out a new lens for m43. There is such a massive struggle for so many users with the concept that people would want to buy a cheap lens when they can just get a better lens for lots more money.No macro. I mean really really mega slow at f2.8, no distance scale, no DOF indicator - it just makes you shudder with the horror of it.
zinedi: External EVF in the middle only, for extra money? Forget it. No built-in VF - no camera for enthusiasts and advanced photographers.
@abortabortI have never noticed Olympus dropping the price for all the things they leave off their Pens which tend to to be minimalism in everything but price. The rear displays are some of the worst in sunlight and many entry level compacts have more readable displays.
The 20-50 lens is looking rather long in the tooth. It was an early attempt to create a compact aps-c lens but the zoom range is truncated and there is no stabilisation. It does look bit to me a bit of the latest thing in cameras but with an ancient lens bolted on to it. The 20-50 is a very competent lens but I would have thought Samsung could have manged to produce a folding 18-55 or even wider by now or at least a 20-50 with stabilisation.
kecajkerugo: many people do not care about RAWs therefore for this community is perfect camera.Many of you is dissapointed of the quality try to make a test then:have somebody to swicth on different cameras in the DPR tool in a way you do not know which one is the fuji (so do not use this review comparative analysi directly) and try to guess which one is the fuji. Do it for lower ISO and moderate ISO...a high ISO of 3200 or higher will not work on any such cameras. Make another test: using same tool swich on a few APS-C cameras to be compared to the Fuji...select for example D5000, Canon Rebel .....older ones (but still with a large sensor) and see how the smudging look like...you will be surprised how much the DSLR are "soft". So mayby this camera is softer viewed 100% than soem of the small sensor brothers but it is still a great tool when viewed normally on a screen.
I agree. For any compact camera like this the resolution at 100% and performance at ISO 3200 are primarily of academic interest and will be irrelevant to the practical uses the camera is designed for.For 100% crops and ISO 3200 no compact would a sensible choice. Even the RX100 whose equivalent aperture advantage has almost disappeared by 35mm equiv. compared to the fast 1/1.7" and this slighly slower lens 2/3" camera.The images can hardly be called mediocre as one or others have described them. Seems a nice camera in its class.
PhotoKhan: From the "Conclusion-Pros":"Solid build quality with retro design".How can "retro design" (a personal preference) be considered a "Pro"?
...and I find it now an established Fujifilm characteristic that their cameras have problems reproducing blues and reds.
Firetruck-red is definitely NOT that shade.
I am not sure that designing something to look like it was hand built in the 19th Century but will in fact be mass produced in the 21st Century is always a good match.
Benarm: The writing is on the wall. EVF will replace OVF like digital replaced film. Same goes for mirror flip and mechanical shutters. Obviously it won't happen overnight or in a first attempt/generation.
The only trend I can see is the OVF being replaced by no VF at all or if you are lucky available as an expensive accessory.