Steve in GA: Just curious: Is it possible to take a bad picture of a strikingly beautiful woman?
Probably a very easy thing to do first thing in the morning.
To say slightly limited range of apps for the Nokia dramatically understates how useless these Windows machines are for contemporary day to day use. No programs to run home utilities and no remote control of your cameras as the large organisations just do not write for this peripheral mobile operating system. The rule of thumb probably is that if you wish to connect to any other device Windows mobile is not for you. I cannot wait for my current Nokia contract to expire.
The camera has to be this size so so they can fit one of their EVF's in to it.
Greynerd: Just to get back to the actual lens as we seem to be rather overwhelmed here with format missionaries on their soap boxes preaching the doctrine of the only true path.I have pre-ordered the lens as it is a pretty generous price here in the UK and will help keep the ISO down on indoor shots. Not really a portrait lens so the DOF seems pretty irrelevant for my purposes. My 45mm f1.8 does a good job there.
@John BeanThanks for the reply. When I get it I will post some samples from the GM1 and the EM5 I to see how the 2 marques cope though not the latest cameras. I wanted a 25mm fast prime and this is the only one falling in to the current budget and is in Sigma pricing range on pre-order.
StevenE: Micro 4/3 is a good sensor size for video since you often need a little more DOF in order to keep subjects in focus. But for photography it sucks. There are very few lens options to get truly shallow DOF on micro 4/3. A micro 4/3 25mm would have to be f/1.0 or better to be interesting for photography. Even a Canon Rebel with 35mm f/2 IS would be miles ahead of this at about the same price, and you have tons of options for other lenses
@StevenEYour describing your own posts as 'wading into' does rather give the game away. If you cannot say anything specific about the particular item in question apart just saying the whole format sucks and describing its users as part of a cult and not getting it then I suspect your departure is not a great loss.
Just to get back to the actual lens as we seem to be rather overwhelmed here with format missionaries on their soap boxes preaching the doctrine of the only true path.I have pre-ordered the lens as it is a pretty generous price here in the UK and will help keep the ISO down on indoor shots. Not really a portrait lens so the DOF seems pretty irrelevant for my purposes. My 45mm f1.8 does a good job there.
Interesting how even with m43 you get the sneery snooty big sensor users trolling around trying to mock users who do not share their own particular camera choice. In this case a specific need for wafer thin DOF. It is not just with bridge cameras then. Some people seem to get a real kick out of talking down other formats which is very sad. Just using photography as a platform to strut the big stuff around and generate anger I suppose.
cheetah43: What 28mm sees is not what the eye sees looking straight ahead. Why do people rave about a 28mm lens with all its distortions? Yes, you can do this, that and the other post-processing. It should be click, post to the printers, and no faffing around with the image.
@DstudioBut then you argue below only the appreciation of perfection of a Leica gained from the wisdom of old age enables you to be a true artist. Now we are being told imperfection is a somehow an aid to finding beauty. This Leica world is all very confusing but it is very much mysterious and out of my reach so it is intriguing.Probably if you really need the best and can afford it it is the way to go.
How would one like one's images Sir? Rare, medium rare or well done. For medium rare may I take the liberty of suggesting a Sony?
Greynerd: Is it just me but is it difficult to see any real difference between any of these cameras in daylight regardless of price or sensor size?Probably I have got the wrong electron microscope.I am sure you could get pictures similar to this from a Canon Ixus (other brands are available).
If you are just taking data of the sensor directly as RAW data it matters even less what camera you have wrapped around the sensor apart from the lens. You can get Leica lenses in cheap Panasonics so it is all difficult to understand what this camera is for, particularly for a RAW enthusiast.
Is it just me but is it difficult to see any real difference between any of these cameras in daylight regardless of price or sensor size?Probably I have got the wrong electron microscope.I am sure you could get pictures similar to this from a Canon Ixus (other brands are available).
Sad Joe: Well, I love my TWO EOS-M's and look forward to buying an EOS-M3 when I can afford one ! 35 f1.4 BR - responding to the Sigma and Zeiss otus ? Now that will be an interesting review which I look forward to. Just one minor note - in the UK BR used to stand for British Rail which wasn't very good and its sandwiches were renowned for being expensive and terrible. Perhaps Canon should reconsider their BR tag ? LOL.
BR were cheaper both for the passenger and the government, more punctual and a national integrated service. You cannot really think the current dirty, money grubbing, shambolic, fragmented, arrest you if you have the wrong ticket for the wrong train in the wrong area, privatised railway system today is an improvement.
Edit: Whenever I go on a holiday to the Rhine I always think of the British rail system as travelling across Britain now is like a trip up the medieval Rhine, with the robber barons in the castles, represented by the board of directors of all the different private train companies waiting to rob you as you pass through their territory on your perilous trip. They have had to renationalise the rail infrastructure company as it just did not work.
Mike FL: So, in terms of SNR, the old and small SONY sensor beats the newer and larger SONY sensor.
Per DPR, "but the fact that the E-M10 II is holding up this well to a class-leading APS-C is interesting. The E-M10 II fairs remarkably well against the Sony a6000, which we find to be a bit of an under-performer with respect to low light image quality." based on DPR's lab test.
By looking DPR's lab test results, it is.
Also, the E-M10 II makes the old sensor beating down all the Oly with same sensors.
Of course, E-M10 II beats all Panasonic as it almost matches the SNR of Nikon D5500.
Is it true? Yes. by just looking E-M10 II's test results in DPR's Comparison tool.
It is a fact of life that Sony will use any sensor improvement to put in extra mega pixels. It is pure marketing and only geared to printing specifications on the camera box. As long as image quality is not too badly affected it is not really of any relevance.
Ramjager: Firstly the headline is completely inaccurate as the article clearly points out that the number of subconditions for which you place on this superior performance is so massive that perhaps a better title would be "DLSR AF performance is still superior to A7II except when using F2 lenses".Feel free to glorify the poor Sony A7 all you like but please at least have the respect for those with some photographic experience to do it accurately..Well bring your A7 and a 400mm lens and come take photos with me in the dark. If your A7 can perform as well as a 1DX then you can change your title to A7II beats DSLR AF performance.If not how about you write an article that current DSLR's in poor light combined with difficult weather beat mirrorless cameras..http://www.vortexaviationphotography.com/Civil-Aviation-Photography/Anchorage/i-fgPSnPc/0/L/IMG_9352-2-L.jpghttp://www.vortexaviationphotography.com/Civil-Aviation-Photography/Los-Angeles-2013/i-FsQ26w4/1/XL/IMG_8962-XL.jpg
I would not really describe the A7 R II as poor considering the Canon 1DX needs a pretty gigantic box to fit the workings required to achieve its performance with Canon so firmly mired in past glories. The old technology can only outdo the new technology when size is disproportionally increased.
matthew saville: I will always remember a set of presentations given by a bunch of camera reps at an art school I snuck into to audit. The Nikon guy talked about their fancy new LBCAST technology, (yeah, I'm probably a little older than you) and Canon talked about their fancy new AF technology.
The Leica rep walked out to the center of the stage, put the camera on the ground, and then put his full weight on it with one heel.
"I bet the other guys didn't do this, did they?"
(Camera still clicked a few photos, of course, and the guy continued to give a presentation that I have since forgotten the rest of...)
Yes but you have to select the particular Leica carefully for this. I myself would be reluctant to stand on the Leica D Lux (Type 109) as it may stand up to this treatment no better than its Panasonic LX100 clone.
Flashback: So nothing magical inside the a7RII, just the usual bevy of silicon chips doing all the work.
Sony will be making a shed load of money on these, until we have some serious competition.
For pity's sake Canon and Nikon, wake up and get cracking...
That is a problem Sony have in that Canon and Nikon have this reputation for durability and taking the knocks whereas there is always the feeling at the back of your mind, rightly or wrongly, that the Sony in 5 years is going to look like the final shot in this teardown without needing any screwdrivers. The problem it is all so new and experimental that you just cannot see how it will fare over the course of time.
Zero polycabonate: Hey look, another A7RII DPR article...
@Barney BrittonThe economic recovery must be well advanced for a £2,500 camera to be the most popular. This is good news.
lxcellent: Why is this not offered as body only!
My local Currys is offering this as body only. Sitting there forlornly cap off with its sensor soaking up the dust. You can see they are struggling to display mirrorless cameras which were an affordable option to the general public. For mirrorless they had 7 DSLR's well specified cameras which were Canon and Nikon and 3 mirrorless. The Sony 5100 and a Fuji, both more expensive than a few of the DSLR's and without EVF's and generally basic looking plus the G7 which was more expensive than all the other cameras but without a lens; with a lens it just would not have been competitively priced. I am sure there are reasons for the price but to the general public mirrorless must seem a lot of money for very little in return.
Edgar_in_Indy: So Panasonic lens firmware can be updated from the camera? That's kind of cool. Do a lot of other camera makers allow users to update their lens firmware that way?
@straylightrunI suspect my comment that they might like building obsolescence in to these lens fired off the conspiracy theory post. No company would of course think of such a thing so the idea that they might could constitute conspiratorial thinking.
The main purpose of lens firmware is to avoid having in the brave new mirrorless world lots of old legacy lenses floating around in use for donkey's years as with DSLR and SLR lenses. :(