zodiacfml: Looking even more forward, ILCs will become a smaller market and most will prefer fixed lenses as they will become cheaper than a separate lens, tighter precision/ridiculous resolution, smaller, and lighter.
@AdrianNothing specific against Sony just my fear of having all the eggs in one basket.
The problem with fixed lens cameras, especially now they are hittiing $1,000 is that dust in the lens or on the sensor compromises the whole kit. It is a bit like hi-fi separates and all in one audio with the former much more tolerant of unit failure..Do not understand your point about fixed lens cameras being cheap as the 1" cameras with fixed lens can cost 3 times as much as an aps-c ILC equivalent. The 1" sensor is a major cash cow for the producers. You drop that Sony RX100 MkIV and that is a big write off. Not for the faint hearted in my view.
PerL: There seems to be a lot of excitement on the mirrorless forums about red dot sights, bypassing the EVF altogether for tracking action. That tells me that EVFs still lags OVFs in speed, by an amount enough to be an issue.
Why then do so many astronomical telescopes use red dot finders rather than the little optical finder scope? I find the red dot so much easier to align and use and lag does not even enter the decision. I even have glued a mount for one on my Kowa spotting scope.
EddyKilowatt: These zoom ratios are beyond ridiculous, they almost sound like self parodies. Is there no performance metric that marketing forces won't distort beyond any point of reasonableness, and that the (stenographic, apparently brain dead) press won't breathlessly report as "progress"?
Seems like the lemming rush off the deep end of zoom ratio has opened up the middle ground again... for a small-sensor (1/2.3 or 1/1.7) compact with a 10x or 12x zoom, that is actually usable and not an optical freakshow.
Usable for what? The problem is that we are deep in the realms of irrational obsession for many people on this site and the 20mm to 1200mm available at an instant on my £200 FZ72 is just not available elsewhere and it cost a a fraction of any comparable kit. The way people get so excited, upset, insulting and contemptuous about other people's camera choice when they are not under any obligation to buy them and their availability really makes no difference to them is pretty scary.
justmeMN: Be it Canon or Sony, regardless of other features, the concept of cameras with a 1" sensor costing $1,000, or more, makes me cringe.
(sarcasm) That said, I give other people permission to buy those cameras. :-)
$999.99 please. It must cost a lot gluing these lenses on.There was fringe UK party who had the excellent idea of a 99p coin in their manifesto as it would probably be the most used of all the coins.
Skipper494: Further: What happened to the 'hands on' text? I'll take my Sam NX20 over the 10 and the NX200 over the 100 any day.
@RiveredgerBecause RX100 users seem pretty compelled to crow incessantly about their cameras in every other forum so this just creates a bit of balance? I must say my Samsung NX3000 bundled with its excellent 16-50 lens at £189 makes these top end enthusiast models seem really poor value. It obviously important for people to stuff kit in their tight pockets when better IQ can be obtained at a fraction of the cost elsewhere in a still compact form in the ILC area. RX100 has all the limitations in reach of a kit lens and the f1.8 is only at maximum aperture and closes up immediately the focal length is increased. We will see in the reviews if they have sorted that problem.
ObelixCMM: Nice showcase for photographer and camera. DPR timing is off, posting this after Sony's announcement of RX100.4 makes G7X look outdated.
Difficult to see how you can take pictures with an announcement so the G7X has a bit of life in it yet.You would think Sony would flog off all their stocks of Mk I, II and III's which still seem to be around in abundance and which by the gist of this post are well outdated, before producing yet another one. I suppose if they keep churning them out will get it right one day. It must be difficult for DPR to keep up with all these endless reworkings of the camera which was supposedly perfect in the first place.
Nuno Souto: So pretty please, Sony: can we now have IBIS as well on all mirrorless cameras?About time that demented mirror disappeared from cameras and we got IS for ALL lenses!Leave it on for one or two models for the idiots who think it's a great way to take photos and who are willing to pay to duplicate IS in all their lenses. Meanwhile, just get on with the job of making truly MODERN cameras instead of copies of 50 year old film designs!
Pretty please Samsung also. It has surprised me how limiting the lack of IBIS on the otherwise excellent 45mm NX lens is and how the speed advantage of f1.8 just evaporates completely for stationery objects compared with the stabilised kit 16-50.
UCSB: Without AF micro adjustment, this is just a frustrating waste of money. Anyone that owns any lenses or hopes to buy additional lenses in the future should not consider this camera. The front focusing example in the review is a perfect example of how every single one of your quality lenses will perform on this camera. The only question is just what will be the extent of the front/back focus errors ... one thing is clear at 24 MP, the focusing errors will be plainly visible.
@FantasticMrFoxThe mirrorless century?
aekn: Ironically, I experience more arm and eye fatigue using a mirrorless camera holding it at arm's length while squinting, than I do a proper (yes, proper) camera with an optical viewfinder that I can actually see my subject through clearly when held to my eye. The resulting quality of images tend to show a similar trend.
The thing is the image in an optical viewfinder always looks good whatever horrors are being recorded on the data card. I suppose if you enjoy the illusion of perfection at the time of taking the image the OVF wins hands down.
Greynerd: You can see the wings bending and flexing as they haul the immense weight of the plane off the ground and the tremendous heat thrusting back to achieve this. The power of it is awe inspiring.Wonderful image.
I noticed that but thought it was just the foreshortening. It does add to the drama of the image.
You can see the wings bending and flexing as they haul the immense weight of the plane off the ground and the tremendous heat thrusting back to achieve this. The power of it is awe inspiring.Wonderful image.
maxnimo: Why do they call it a 1" sensor when not even the diagonal is even close to 1" in length?
I would disagree that it is an obsolete system as it does a thoroughly modern job of making the sensor sound bigger than it is and causing general confusion on what you are actually getting.Additionally the 1" sensor is a perfect integer giving it magical properties such that it makes all other sensors sizes obsolete.
rallyfan: Why harass the three elderly women in Spain?
I am sure most people get over the fact that someone has been rude and intruded uninvited in to their space but it does not justify the behaviour. It is not as if taking photographs is really that important. The example of the ladies just seems to be a recollection of impertinent disrespect by some insensitive gear head lauded by his fellows as some sort of genius, unless it was posed which does not really make things better.
Angrymagpie: Would be nice if DPReview could include Sony's APSC bodies in future tests of FE lenses - that's one of the major selling points of the E-mount system, isn't it?Would be nice to have comparable samples taken on an a6000, for instance.
Sony are probably scaling down on aps-c so in a couple of years time this may not really matter. I think aps-c is in their just plod along as it is but not waste any more money bucket in their corporate recovery plan.
ZeneticX: this means in order for a gold award, they need to get that a7r/a7s sensor into this body
fair review nonetheless, somehow makes me feel better that I sticked with the original a7 while waiting for a more significant upgrade from sony.
Today's gold is tomorrows brass in 6 months time so it hardly matters. This camera will just be woefully inadequate and of no use to anyone in no time at all at the rate they churn out variants of this camera.
RichRMA: What happens when you stick a Ferrari engine in a Skoda body.
I have a Skoda. It is a great car and your comment really shows the sort of shallow buried in the past thinking that pervades these forums. My Skoda has a slinky slick dual clutch 7 speed Volkswagen automatic gearbox that far surpasses any gearbox I have had in any car; oil or clutch plate drive.
It would be a bit more balanced if the fonts for 'Press Release' and 'Brilliant Imaging' were a similar size. This would help us all add the correctly sized pinch of salt to the statement.
KonstantinosK: I found myself spending more time reading about this than the D7200. Hmmm...
The thing is 1 metre is using the camera at half power so that may give dividends. The problem is I get more detail cropping my 55-210 lens on my Sony A3000 than I do with my Fuji HS50 at 1 metre and the combination is lighter. The Fuji is not known as the sharpest cookie in the tin so this new crazy camera will probably will get more detail and be good at least for bird identification at long range.Probably the images at not going to be the sort people will want to pore over with their electron microscopes in to the depths of the night, so that takes a lot of people here out of the market.
(unknown member): Ridiculous . . .
You do not exactly explain yourself well Master Yoda. This camera can probably be a bit of fun to play which of course in the humourless, competitive world of DPR will probably not go down too well.