Liberator: It is impress to have F2.8 in this compact caliber. Nice to have as spare but I still would go with my E-M5 using Pro 12-40 lens.
@electrophotoAn f2.8 lens is an f2.8 lens whatever sensor is behind it. f2.8 at 64.3mm does not sound too bad to me. Better than a lot of ILC lenses especially for a zoom.1" sensor cameras with this sort of reach have a price and a size to match. Horses for courses. None of these cameras are working any miracles in optics.
WetCoast: 1" sensor, please. No more 2/3", 1/1.7" or 1/2.3"... :)
But I was countering the conspiracy idea that they are hiding the sensor size by saying the information is actually on the camera. You only need to know the size of a full frame sensor and the much stated relative focal length and you have it all. Also working on actual focal lengths is more informative as it tells you how much of the sensor is being used as for example the LX100 which has a 4/3 sensor but is not using all of it as is not 2x crop.
@BarnETBut 1/1.7" does not really mean anything per se unless you are in to ancient television tube sizes and it seems a lot easier to divide 6 by 28 which does not even need a computer and gives you an actual usable indication of size relative to 35mm.
Olympus are not making a good job of hiding the sensor size as per Francis Carver as they print the actual focal length on the lens and dividing this number by the 28mm declared field of view gives 0.214 which says the diagonal measurement of this sensor is near enough 1/5 of that of a full frame sensor.
chlamchowder: At least batteries with poor contact are more manageable than ones that like to explode.
So you are saying that batteries that do not make contact are OK because if they do nothing at all this makes the camera safe. This does seem a do nothing and you can do no wrong philosophy. Surely it is just as safe not to buy the camera at all and this will save a lot of money without any loss of functionality.
Grumpyrocker: There's an advisory on the Canon UK site about this too.
My S120 has occasionally shown the "charge the battery" notice even with a full battery. So I suppose I should have it looked at.
@Richard Franiec.Seems a big deal if cameras are being released with long standing design problems constantly repeated in each iteration.You have to wonder if the boilers are still lit in the Canon organisation or are they just are rolling forward purely on inertia?
MPA1: Why is an insolvent company producing new products?
I suppose the choice advocated here by MPA1 and audijam is to fire everybody and close down the company straight away to save the investors unnecessary costs. This is not a lot of help to existing users of the kit either. I love these internet opinions based purely on the headline banner 'insolvent' without any thought or study in to the detailed situation or consequences or even what the word means.
tabloid: Real world..Personally as a full time professional photographer i would never go back to a SLR….its morrorless all the way for me.
I dont do sports, or fast moving objects….I photograph people.
Just a couple of reasons why mirror less is great : Focusing via the mirror/pentaprtism in a SLR doesn't mean that its in focus on the film/sensor plane.For me a digital SLR (with mirror) can't be used for view-back in bright sunlight.(please don't say put a hood on it).
SLR (with mirror): Constant overheating in video mode.
Ive set my Sony A65 so that when i take a picture, the image stays in my viewfinder for about 4 seconds so that i can see if what I've taken is acceptable, or if the person has blinked. Great for group shots, where one person has always blinked.Can do videos via the viewfinder. Can play back videos and stills via the viewfinder….great stuff.I could go on, but i won't, as people who own mirror less cameras know exactly what I'm talking about.
Your Sony A65 has a mirror and dedicated focusing sensors. This is not the sort camera being discussed here. I doubt if Samsung are going to go the SLT route.
The odd thing is with my NEX system I much prefer to use the 55-210 lens on my dslr shaped and sized A3000 which is inferior to the NEX6 in nearly every respect. This is because it is so much more balanced and pleasant to hold and compensates for the basic evf and focusing speed.I would think people before switching should try out the and make sure for longer focal lengths they enjoy the beer can on a credit card feel of mirrorless or I suspect in the case of full frame ale keg on a paperback experience.
Merel: It's amazing that most of top rated camera's (of course at higher price) do not include GPS. Almost everybody shoots extremely high amount of pictures during vacations, at locations often far away from home.
Eventually we all end up with those unavoidable questions" Darling where was this picture taken ? And this one ? Where was that again? "
So why is this GPS feature so neglected ? The DMC-GM5 (and others) would have been so much nicer camera in my list ! For that price, most people would expect GPS to be a standard feature or at least an option. Everybody might have it's own reasons, but on the subject I guess anybody will agree.
When showing your best pictures, what is the most common question you will get to answer ? .... " Waaow ! WHERE was this ? "
My Panasonic TZ60 with its GPS is great for holidays. I always carry a spare battery so battery life has never been an issue. It is really great to be able to look at the map in Lightroom and see all the travels of the holiday outlined.
Just been outside with my now fairly venerable Garmin 60CSx and this got a lock within 45 seconds. It has not has had any contact with anything but the satellites for years. Probably would take longer if the location is switched and it always helps if you tell it that it is a new location.My Nokia Lumia 1020 massively outperforms it though getting locks in trains where the Garmin gives up plus with Windows you can download the maps so no problem abroad with roaming charges. Probably it is helped by using the phone transmitters but the technology has moved ahead.
Why is the lack of built in flash a particular problem meriting a con with the Samsung NX3000 but not with the Olympus E-PL7?
photog4u: Nikon makes some pretty good stuff. And Canon,yes. But Sony is on FIRE! Fast AF with reliable tracking, well implemented focus peaking with magnification, legacy glass, smoking good EVF, FULL FRAME and now with FIVE AXIS IS! All for under $2k! "Despite the emergence of mirrorless cameras, the market is still dominated by conventional DSLRs" I doubt very much if you will be able extol that statement for very much longer.
Interesting that this is a discussion on consumer cameras and you are talking about a $2K camera. The big problem with mirrorless is that it costs a lot of money to get a model with a viewfinder. Putting an EVF in to a mirrorless seems to be a lot more expensive than the mirror OVF system.Entry level DSLR is just more affordable than mirrorless unless you are prepared to drop the viewfinder and of course DSLR comes with a vast affordable lens supply. I cannot see in these still struggling economic times a big rush in to a luxury goods sector which is where mirrorless is at the moment.
Greynerd: It is a pity that Casio have given up on the West with their cameras. It would be nice if at some time in the future if we could actually make such affordable high tech consumer products ourselves in the future but I cannot see this happening. The fact we cannot get away from these old imperial multiple number base measurement systems gives a hint why we struggle in the UK and the US for that matter.
@photoshackNot easy to buy in the West as far as I am aware. If you know an easy way to buy them in UK please tell. There just seems to be a trend starting where that the Far East have local markets for their products and are starting to find sufficient sales within their own markets and leaving us out. I do not think it is just labour costs as so much production is automated now. Not sure this system where we can live on credit to buy these luxury goods supplied from abroad will continue for ever. We may actually need to make stuff ourselves though we do lecture the Far East on these forums on how to do it.
It is a pity that Casio have given up on the West with their cameras. It would be nice if at some time in the future if we could actually make such affordable high tech consumer products ourselves in the future but I cannot see this happening. The fact we cannot get away from these old imperial multiple number base measurement systems gives a hint why we struggle in the UK and the US for that matter.
SeeRoy: Solution seeks problem.
Like most innovation.
prossi: How about DPreview focus on some of the cameras people want to see reviewed like the GM5, a5100, EPL7, d750? Why would anyone want to get this thing when the rx100III is out there? I don't know what's up with Canon but I gave up on it since 2010.
@Joseph BlackIt would not be quick as a transatlantic flight would be necessary :) I have never seen a Best Buy this side of the pond. In the UK they would have to call it the 'Least Worst Buy'. Over here Canon always tends to be shown as the camera on any general Christmas promotion, ironically the the total power failure if you video zoom SX280 is often pictured. This is why I get the overall feeling that they are just not under the same pressure as the competition to perform. At an air show virtually every camera is a Canon SLR with the odd Nikon.
@Joseph BlackHow many owners of the G7X have used many other cameras for comparison. Do not forget that a large percentage of Western buyers are not aware that anyone but Canon make cameras. Probably this is why Canon cameras are so unrefined as the market is there whatever so why would they need to bother.
Mike FL: For Zoom = F2.8 all the way with small sensor/body, you can get Panasonic FZ200 @$379 as today's price (10-31-2014) while Stylus 1 is about $600 from respectable sellers.
Other than huge price difference, there are PROs and CONs, but FZ200 has much wide (24mm vs 28mm) and longer (600mm vs 300mm) zoom, and SHARPER lens.
Link for FZ200 @$379:http://www.abesofmaine.com/item.do?item=PSDMCFZ200K&id=PSDMCFZ200K&l=PLA&gclid=Cj0KEQjw5syiBRCwxPbE6o_MsK4BEiQAUowjppy6E61JOlFAx2gUAglH5L2E7U00PHEkDHpkHabxgUYaAlGC8P8HAQ
Why FZ200 is better choice:http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Olympus_STYLUS_1/verdict.shtml
Not sure how you come to the conclusion that I own the camera. Just a detached observer a bit mystified by your comparison. Your post does not really merit any other comment.
The FZ200 is double the thickness of the Stylus 1 and weighs 46% more. The FZ200 is certainly not a small camera and given its limited zoom is rather oversized nowadays which is why it is so cheap given that compact travel zooms are 30x nowadays. Just a completely different sort of camera with only the f2.8 as a matching feature and really irrelevant to this thread.