Greynerd: The thing that wins for me with the FX70 is that the lens is not pumping air in and out of the camera. It is impossible to know how much of a problem sensor dust is with these cameras but we keep hearing about it and the manufacturers are never going to say anything about it, Probably better just to err on the side of safety and take a marginaly softer edge to the image against the unknown possibility of random blobs all over the place with the Ricoh if one needs to stop down. I am not saying there is a problem just that there is no way of telling the scale of a perceived problem.I wonder if it may be prudent to factor in a 50% premium on the price of a collapsing fixed lens for future cleaning costs?
@fossilized lightI am not having a particular dig at Ricoh but many people seem to have problems and I really do not know. My Panasonic TZ40 which I always bag had a really big black sensor blob but a cheap camera so a mighty thwack on the side sorted it out on a kill or cure basis. You cannot just put a TZ40 in your pocket as the lens protection blades are so delicate they can easily turn in to built in lens scratchers.These £600+ compacts are a different matter. I do not think Pansonic thought about this when they brought out the LX100 which rightly or wrongly has a bit of a dust magnet reputation, nor have the other manufacturers.Manufacturers need to be seen to sort out perceived problems whether they are fact or not. That is a harsh reality of the market.
The thing that wins for me with the FX70 is that the lens is not pumping air in and out of the camera. It is impossible to know how much of a problem sensor dust is with these cameras but we keep hearing about it and the manufacturers are never going to say anything about it, Probably better just to err on the side of safety and take a marginaly softer edge to the image against the unknown possibility of random blobs all over the place with the Ricoh if one needs to stop down. I am not saying there is a problem just that there is no way of telling the scale of a perceived problem.I wonder if it may be prudent to factor in a 50% premium on the price of a collapsing fixed lens for future cleaning costs?
medon78: Color rendition on most pictures is not very exciting... is it just me?Nice gallery, anyway! Hope to see DPR switch back to "OOC JPEG" galleries like this one in the future when evaluation new bodies.
RAW pictures do not really test the camera but just the sensor plus the abilities of the user's particular PC/Apple program and the user's personal taste. You know the usual super saturated turquoise oceans and purple skies etc. (or are those colours the other way around?) Also you can post process the JPEGs afterwards anyway for colour. I only use RAW when White Balance is a problem.
ovega: Is there any difference between lumix ZS100 and TZ100 other than that ZS100 being sold in North Amerkia. Will there be any encounter any difficulty using the camera in Norway redading contacts or other things.
Do not worry as they issue new versions they give them different numbers to correct this current aberration. For a short period people either side of the Atlantic will have some idea of which equivalent camera we are talking about but I am sure Panasonic will fix that in due course.
Was all the video taken with a Pen-F? Nowadays one would expect a £1,000+ camera to tackle this with ease.
Dan DeLion: How about different ratings for different levels of photographic knowledge? You could have four different levels of skill: 1) Neophyte, 2) amateur, 3) advanced amateur, and 4) professional. For the a6300 the ratings might be:
Neophyte – 20
Amateur – 85 (gold star)
Advanced amateur – 60
Professional – 35
That way you could give out a gold star to practically every camera or lens you reviewed. So what if you eliminate standards of performance and handling, everyone would be happy. These rating numbers and stars might seem arbitrary and capricious, but that wouldn’t be much of a change for dpreview.
@gibbygooPossibly one of the number that describe themselves as such on this forum could explain. I haven't a clue myself.
What about semi-pro. There are lots of them on the forum.Do not also forget fanboy 6,000,000,0000 %.Edit: Please note the large last number would apply to most makes of camera.
Don't we all just love the reviews of the review.
Frank C.: DPReview has become Sony Central, who would have thunk?
@perry rhodanYou virtually accuse the reviewers of unethical behaviour and then when people even suggest that you may not be entirely impartial yourself which is a far lesser crime you storm off in a huff! Debating for some people is a very one way process I think.
I think there is a lot more bias in the reaction to the scores than in the scoring itself.They are really not important enough to start throwing around accusations of bias. You take it or leave it and read around all the reviews and form your own judgement. Why shouldn't the reviewer like the camera and who is to say they are wrong.
jonikon: Only a small percentage of buyers of the 6300 will ever use prime lenses with it, so why are only prime lenses used in the reviews of the Sony APS-C cameras? Answer: The Sony APS-C zoom lenses are junk glass that get terrible reviews. If Sony ever produces a good quality native APS-C zoom lens for this camera, I would seriously consider buying one, (despite it's poorly designed grip and ergonomics). I keep waiting and hoping Sony wakes up some day and gets the news that optical quality is important to serious amateur photographers and the vast majority of sub FF sensor ILC owners (me included), rarely use or even own prime lenses. Poor lens selection for APS-C is one of the major reasons I left the Sony A mount, and six years later nothing has changed, unfortunately.
Given the fact that the Sony aps-c cameras have only a single body with an EVF it is a bit risky making any investments in lenses. When the A6400 comes along and you do not like it there is no choice of bodies here to switch to. This seems very much a kit only system which is how many people may view it. Also no affordable cameras unless you drop the EVF.The viabilility of this as a system really depends on the A6000 continuing or a replacement coming out. It all looks a bit threadbare at the moment.
How is the lens getting its air when it shoots out? Many people are cagey rightly or wrongly at the moment over fixed lens cameras with the lens breathing through the camera body and over the sensor. Is there any protection in this camera against dust ingress as it will have to get a lot of air from somewhere.The advantage of ILC's is the lens mount end is sealed off and the sensor is easy to clean anyhow if it does get dusty. I am very reluctant to shell out a lot of money on any fixed lens camera especially as the lenses get bigger to match the sensors. Even if weather sealed the lens has to breathe and is this filtered by the seals?This is not specific to Sony but a worry as the prices become non trivial in the fixed lens area generally. The dust in my TZ40 is not a worry and a sharp rap removed a great lump but it would be worrying in these premium machines.
sh10453: I'd think that Panasonic engineering management is now operating in panic mode, with a series of urgent meetings!Historically, Panasonic has been very much the leader in this type of cameras.One of my cameras is the FZ200, and I like the 600mm f/2.8 constant, but I certainly don't like the tiny sensor size on it due to poor image quality in low light situations (if flash is not used).
This is a nice camera. A 600mm Zeiss lens on a 1" sensor is decent for many photographic situations.I think the next challenge is an 800mm on a 1" sensor with at least the same lens brightness f/2.4-4, or the same 600mm lens on a 1.5" sensor. I see that coming in a few short years (5 years? Maybe less!).
Well done, Sony engineers. You deserve a credit. Great job!!! Now hurry up and get us the 800mm f/2-2.8 ... :)
You say where did you mention the FZ1000 as if irrelevant when someone mentions the astronomical cost and now you say that the FZ1000 is the obvious competitor to the RX10 III. Make your mind up.The thing is Panasonic are making both apples and oranges whereas Sony just produce a wave of different marks of apples with the cost of an apple soaring with every harvest.
This camera is way out of the price range of the usual market for these cameras so why Panasonic are being brought in to this I do not know.Panasonic have a much broader range of cameras and the TZ100 does really bring the 1" format in to a tidy affordable package with reach.This RX10 III is a monster. Just big and expensive which is hardly a development feat for a compact. I expect Panasonic are having a bit of a laugh really at how desperate Sony are in their fight for survival with all their marks of the same 2 cameras.In truth the TZ100 is the first sign that the 1" sensor is actually going to work as a flexible compact sensor in the true sense of the word.
medon78: The image quality is incredible.Seems like the ultimate super-zoom lens, albeit with a camera attached... ;)Even the colors look pretty good.Sony is really showing impressive products, clearly leading innovation.
Just wonder when they will finally adopt to a more user-friendly user interface. Why not simply copy Canon's?
P.S.:Thank you dpreview for this very good image gallery!!
Need a bit more time. How much do you think?It is a comment that they are in the camera markets but just lack finesse and experience in many respects so it is OK having a project to build the best cameras but it not so easily achievable in practice. Their attention is spread in so many directions and they cannot necessarily do everything well.I just find my Olympus cameras so much nicer to use than the NEX 6 which was a beautiful camera in many ways but clunky to use. Getting the feels right factor in to kit cannot just be done as a corporate by numbers exercise. The fact they have to go back to the Alpha menus and completely abandon the NEX approach was a massive back track and development write off.
Sony are probably not exactly replete with funds and are focusing on narrow technical niche stuff with high margins. A bit like Samsung again where the technical hardware is great but the style and interface functionality of the cameras often shows the essentially bulk box shifting roots of these companies.
ErikH: Wow. I like what Sony is doing but this cam better be flawless for $1500.
I suppose they are costing these 1" compact cameras by weight now.1" is a neither here nor there format really. Too big to get the kit compact and affordable but too small to really excel at high sensitivity.2/3 seems the ideal one really but Sony rules the roost.
SPerez: Really funny to see so many opinions over a camera with apparently nearly not any interest. I have a Leica Q since four months ago and it is a superb camera. Sorry for saying this in this hostile environmentKind regards for everybody
I actually have Leica printed on my Panasonic TZ40. It is amongst my cameras the lens where you can see dust inside it. I am not sure that Leica's association with Panasonic has helped in its exclusivity here. I think in a way Leica trying to be the top brand and have a close association with Panasonic has caused a bit of confusion amongst us in what the name actually represents. The phrase 'you can't have your cake and eat it' comes to mind in terms of market placement.
@Mark Alan Thomas.A necessity of life is to not take it all too seriously, especially cameras. Self loathing seems a bit of an extreme view to have of the non Leica owning fraternity. I suppose if you want the Red Spot as a sign of success go for it.
plastique2: Camera no gripPropeller no shipA season to skip
I am sure you could get a chap to make one for you. The fact you think this way rather gives you away as unsuitable for ownership of the brand. There must be someone on the staff good at this sort of thing.