fjfjjj: Lenses with manual focus and aperture controls can be used forever. Many lenses that can't be controlled without electronics will become economically non-serviceable in the consumer's lifetime. Pretty simple.
Very true. As soon as you put firmware in the lens and need firmware in the body to service the lens its lifetime is finite and indeterminate and probably no more than the lifetime of Sony, which in itself is not a sure thing as far as the rating agencies see it.
Sannaborjeson: Such poor quality jpegs at 100%... makes it totally impossible to make any opinion on the lens.
Also, why don't you hire a pro photographer for such samples? Only bearded guy is ok while the rest of the photos are thoughtless and of no value.
Probably a lot of the professionalism is in the post processing which DPR cannot do in these circumstances. I wonder if you have to go in to the graphs and numbers to see the advantages these expensive lenses make. I am amazed how little difference there is between the images posted from disparate kit on the forum, even compacts. It is more of a numbers and status game than photography.If there is a difference it is probably marginal.Edit: To put it in another way I have never seen any strikingly direct correlation between the cost of the kit and quality of the images.
Banhmi: 10 years from now this whole 'retro' camera fad will be long gone and we will look back at DPR articles like this one, waxing poetically about silver knobs, and think reviewers must have had some similar bits logged in their prefrontal cortex.
And in 20 years time the fashion will yet again be back to what it is now and laughing at and pouring scorn on what was the vogue 10 years ago in exactly the same way as now.
I suppose the A7 concept is an upscaled version of the largest possible lager can stuck on the tiniest most elegant credit card NEX design philosophy.
surlezi: The only advantage of OVF over EVF is to be soon dead:
"The impressive new mirrorless model also has the ability to support full live-view continuous shooting on the Tru-finder or LCD screen at up to 8 frames per second, ultimately producing a real-time shooting experience that combines all the benefits of an electronic viewfinder with the immediacy of a through-the-lens optical viewfinder."
But I'm confident some blind DSLR fans will still find reasons not to acknowledge superiority of mirrorless cameras, be it still potential (AF?), or already current.
Do not forget that a lot of DSLR fans do not have such deep pockets and Sony do not now provide a current affordable option with a viewfinder. Do not forget with cameras unlike any other product replacing complex electromechanical items with electronic systems adds significantly to the cost.The entry level DSLR is still great value for money if you want some sort of viewfinder.
I wonder how many people who complain about the appearance of this camera go out and buy a really unfashionable car design. Looks sell just about everything.Looks are very much a thing of the moment and retro is in at present.I am sure you will find posts by many of the people, whilst criticising the trendy camera's looks, boasting about the flashy noisy sports car they cruise around in.I suppose for some with cameras now it is fashionable to just be unfashionable and utilitarian. It will not last of course.
Giacomo Sardi: another "small sensor-object of desire" camera........ dear Olympus listen to me: is a very, very ,very nice piece of metal, but the advantages of big sensors against m4/3 are obvious... this body (and my pocket) , for that price needs a bigger sensor...
Yes but the big sensor camera really needs an even bigger sensor and then that camera really should have a bigger sensor and then that needs a bigger one still etc. etc. etc............m43 cameras are m43 cameras and are really none the worst for it and pretty cute. Plenty of alternatives available if you want bigger.
sierranvin: I question the writer's headline and editors' judgment in giving it a pass. In business, profit is a superior outcome to the mere churn of sales volume, and a 20% profit increase year over year is surely a success. The headline's main message is one of failure. A sloppy reporting job to present such a fundamental disconnect between headline and facts of the story. BTW - Sony's overall corp. profit for the quarter is up 33% year over year. They're not going away any time soon!
Where does it say profit went up by 20%? I can only see an operating income increase of this amount.
Don Diafragma: The problem is the declining market where many consumers have found out they are actually NOT photographers. Digital camera's and DSLRs' where a hype driven by advancements in technology.
They hate carrying around the large and heavy gear, where a smartphone has a camera that they carry around with them each and every moment wherever they go.
Next to that for them image quality is not so important then capturing 'the moment'. With their smartphone they carry around a camera that's lightweight and always with them.
The new final CIPA figures for 2015 will be released soon.As of what I have seen of the drafts its going to be another dramatic drop.Sales figures of DSLRs are down to the same numbers of SLR sales back in the '90s of last century.
The boom is over and the market has basically divided into 2 segments:
- smartphones - higher end interchangeable lens cameras.
I think the higher end fixed lens cameras may also erode ILC's. With some of these larger sensor cameras giving all in one solutions I do not see any reason why the enthusiast compact may not nibble away at the ILC market in the same way as compacts are nibbling away at them. Even with mirrorless you can need a backpack to lug it all around so I still think there will be 3 segments. You cannot tell usage from this site as the gear sneering from a small segment of high end users tends to drive the compact users away.The A7 market will saturate at some stage and Sony will then have big problems.
Greynerd: It is interesting that people seem to be thinking Samsung's departure from cameras is a result of internal factors specific to Samsung. It seems more of a case of a deep malaise in the camera market and Samsung are financially astute enough to know when the party is over and with enough irons in enough fires to make it a matter of little consequence to them.Edit: I think there will always be kit around but the choice will be less and we will all need to tighten our belts. The DSLR collapse in to a fringe market could to be very nasty. Of course if mass compact sales have been funding the whole business things look very bleak.
Colonel Hindsight always wins his wars.
Bjrn SWE: The eye has a spherical image sensor and it works fairly well for me. No zoom though. Yet.
It probably will infringe the Apple patent so beware. The lawyers may be after you.
It is interesting that people seem to be thinking Samsung's departure from cameras is a result of internal factors specific to Samsung. It seems more of a case of a deep malaise in the camera market and Samsung are financially astute enough to know when the party is over and with enough irons in enough fires to make it a matter of little consequence to them.Edit: I think there will always be kit around but the choice will be less and we will all need to tighten our belts. The DSLR collapse in to a fringe market could to be very nasty. Of course if mass compact sales have been funding the whole business things look very bleak.
paulfulper: Are they trying to compete with Leica with exagerated prices?Thank god these are the only 2 brands I don't own
@medicusJust because a 1926 lens from Leica lasts an eternity it does not mean a 2016 lens from Leica is going to last an eternity. A lot has changed since then especially the science of fine tuning planned obsolescence. Unless Panasonic have matched the longevity of Leica you have to be bit careful of what exactly you are buying nowadays and who made it.
J720: "THE CAMERA DAYPACK BUILT FOR HIKING"- No waterbottle holder- No tripod holderBut comes with a laptop compartment.
When one is hiking around town showing people what a well heeled outdoors type one is one can always pop in somewhere for a coffee and there is always a WIFI spot available. When they buy a 4x4 SUV it is not like many people are actually going get it dirty going somewhere dangerous.
aftab: Sorry Richard, this has to be one of the most poorly written articles in DPR. Let's start with your first few sentences.
"It's often said all modern cameras are good. And it’s true: That's the reason most of the cameras we review get some kind of award. But it's also close to meaningless. It seems to imply that it doesn't matter which camera you buy, .... "
No, it doesn't imply that. It's meaning is very clear. It simply says, all modern cameras are good. It is not meaningless at all.
Then you go on to say, "It is also true of course that it's your own skills, rather than the limitations of technology, that are most likely to hold you back. But again, this doesn’t mean that just any camera will do."
I am pretty sure even a child knows that. I don't think anyone has ever said Sony RX100 or EOS M3 would be good sports cameras. You are trying to counter an argument that doesn't exist.
Expected better from you.
As the EOS M3 is released in to a market where high performance is expected it should be a good sports camera and there is no excuse if it is not. Buyers should be warned if a product is sub standard in relation to other equipment around.Your statement that everyone knows the EOS M3 is not a good camera is because of the reviews which tell you that this particular camera will not do.
sh10453: Where on earth is Nokia? Brain dead? They made dreams come true: A 41 mp camera, a GPS, and a phone, all in one handy piece of hardware, and now Panasonic comes with this??Instead of adding/integrating more functionality they take the phone away now?
My pockets are running out of room. I thought carrying multiple units was a thing of the past.This is a step backwards, and, judging by the limited monthly production, Panasonic already has a feeling it won't sell very well. Could it be that they are just testing the market, especially that it is only for Japan?
I think an LF-2 (with some needed improvements) would have been a better idea.Aside from that, pricing is too optimistic.
Nokia is stuck in Windowsland, the land of no phone apps. Not the apps you want produced nowadays to run your central heating, magazine or news apps, camera remote viewfinder etc. etc, etc- in fact pretty much nil support from large companies.Just cannot wait for my Lumia contract to expire. I have bought an extra Android phone just to have a useful smartphone on me.
When you look at how cheap these old MD lenses go for and I know from experience with an alpha fit Minolta lens the price is in a way just a deposit until you sell it, this is a very tempting bit of kit. An affordable way to get a very fast lens. I am rather tempted.
Mike FL: "...Metz announces UK availability...".
"UK availability"? sounds like Samsung NX1 that very much only "US availability" now.
Samsung do not announce availability of a camera product in a country. Only non availability if they say anything at all and that will only be reluctantly after it has become obvious to everyone except for the most profound optimist.
The CES show is probably a good barometer of how important cameras are in the broad scale of things in the corporate plan. From what I gather Samsung apart from monitoring refrigerator food stocks, nil; Sony apart from full frame; nil.So it does demonstrate what a trivial matter it is is for these companies to dump or prune the divisions not featured in this exhibition.
This super 8 is like people buying vinyl records in this modern age. You just cannot imagine it happening.