Zeisschen: You know your company has done a tremendous job when you read so many butthurt comments on dpreview section...
Kudos to Sony for being the biggest and most constant challenger and innovator in the camera market since 5 years! The camera world would be boring without you!
Did you get written permission to use that copy-righted material in your attitude inhibited graphic?
Fox isn't going to be real happy with your theft.
And the fact remains that uncompressed raws help the A7II, and the A7RII. Easy to see.
NCB: I have a Df. Love it. It's exactly the sort of controls I want to use, and the output's great. Don't understand DPR's remarks about duplication; there are more typical DSLR controls there if you want to use them, but you don't have to. A film camera user would take to the Df in an instant.
It's never a camera for everyone; other cameras do some things better. However, compare for a moment your example output for the Df and the A7RII. To me the Df's output is magic; the A7RII's is crude. I respect the A7RII for what it does, but for quality real-world output I'd look to Nikon, Canon, or indeed Pentax.
It ain't a high horse to point out that downsampling doesn't reduce noise as an overall fraction of the image.
photomedium: Amazing how fast samsung fell off the cliff and how much they misread the market. The NX1 did them in for sure. Size was too large, price was high, and no lenses for it. Would have samsung survived with more lenses? Doubt it.It is clear now that top manufacturers have created a situation where customers need/expect to buy two systems one for video (sony or panasonic MILC) and one for stills (DSLRs) for high quality work. Fewer people will own more equipment.
Already tried it a year ago, and 6 months ago, and last month with the 50-150mm.
Guess what, the point was you are entirely wrong on each question.
What on earth makes you think I'd ask those questions without having already tried the NX1?
Everlast66: There are several vocal Samsung supporters around (like HowaboutRAW), but unfortunately for Samsung most of them don't want to put their money where their mouth is. A lot of talking, little action.
Going by what PC Magazine reports, Win10 has the code to take advantage of Skylake's H.265 video capable hardware more fully than Win 7.
I've not tried a Skylake CPU.
And I don't know if some of the advantage from the hardware may remain if running Win7.
The NX1 is too big?
DSLRs for "high quality work"?
iAPX: Sad, as Samsung have done a great job to deliver incredible price/performance camera, as the NX 500 that was exciting.
NX1 was a due failure, with a tag price near the Nikon D610 (for example) while not having it's dynamic range, true real-world resolution (with good lenses), and noiseless high ISO (or at least beautiful noise at 6400 ISO in BW).
What I wonder is how purchasers of Samsung camera will fell, especially if they shut down lenses, without probably any new lens to put in their camera, and the lack of confidence in the brand & company???
I experienced that with the Pentax K10D, and it's lack of lenses, then I decided to resell it for a few bucks, and go back to Nikon, definitely. Pentax lost my trust, and my wallet too.
So? Doesn't mean I've not tried them.
In the case of the 85mm, several versions.
Both are big enough that mounting on anything but the NX1 involves weird handling.
I'm not sharing my raws, but no I don't own the lenses, though if I bought an NX1, I'd want to purchase both.
Tom Schum: If Samsung has allowed Sony to take over, we are all the losers. Sony's strong push into the upper reaches of sensor design seems to be dominating the markets at this point, whether in Sony cameras or other brands.So we have one fewer sensor manufacturer out there, and fewer choices for our art.Even with my Fuji system I am supporting Sony, who has built the basic sensor my Fujis use. Same for many other brands.
You know that Samsung has been using Sony sensors in smartphones recently?
The 85mm and 50-150mm are way above average.
As for your second comment, so you wish.
The 18-55mm is OIS, just so you're clear.
Okay the 85mm Sigma isn't called an Art,
Sigma makes nice lenses when they try, not like Samsung though.
Sorry I owned both the 20-50mm and the 18-55mm.
True Fuji and Olympus have good kit lenses for their systems too.
Nikon has a decent kit zoom for its APSC bodies.
And I can see a difference. It's easy.
re point a: I believe you skipped a "not" in there, or perhaps meant "compressed" in place of "uncompressed".
re point b: So?
re point c: Claiming that I'm spewing liquid verbal dung doesn't make it so. As for evidence, get the raws and look. It's easy to see--even on an 8 bit monitor.
Sorry, the 85mm is a good bit better than a SigmaArt 85, and that's a very good Sigma.
I don't know what the looks of the 20-50mm have to do with anything.
I guess the 18-55 could have been first, it's not an optically great lens though.
The EVF for the NX100 has surprisingly little lag, which is a big problem for EVFs of that era from other camera makers.
I'd consider buying an NX1 if I had the dollars, but it's not as strong as I'd like for high ISOs.
And to effectively use H.265, I'd need to replace my already fast laptop. And as best as I can tell, I'd have to use Win 10 to take full advantage of a Skylake CPU, and right now I don't particularly like Win10.
Mike FL: SONY is still releasing cameras or old A-Mount while Samsung is ending its new NX1.
Even if Samsung release a NX2 or even a FF next year, who would like to take a chance?
Basically, Samsung is losing its cameras' user base by NX1.
Moreover, it may be ok for losing user base which can regain, but it seems that Samsung is loosing users' trust which may be not able to rebuild.
Lets say at least that Samsung does not fully understand that making [high-end] system camera is not same as making P&S, smartphone, tablet, or TV.
Where are you getting inside information on Fuji 2016 releases?
If DPR is going to have a price range of $2000 to $8000, why not go all the way and include a $16,000 Leica S, or even a $30,000 PhaseOne?
marc petzold: http://photorumors.com/2015/11/20/another-nail-in-the-coffin-samsung-will-stop-selling-cameras-in-the-netherlands/#more-77279
Now Samsung stops also their NX Series Camera Business into the Netherlands! One would be stupid to buy a NX1, just having 2 S-Class Lenses avialable, and this unpredicted future...first germany here, and now the netherlands...and into 6 months global? Sad, but true - under these circumstances, i'd buy only Samsung Gear on firesale with a huge discount, *if* i would be into the market for a new camera, but i don't atm.
The 85mm is optically Samsung's best.
Nick932: DPReview states that Leica SL has "Very limited lens selection" is a total miss. One of the strengths of this camera is that one can use all Leica lenses and cine. This is a dream come true that no other company has achieved this 100% or as match as Leica SL. We are waiting for this feature ever since digital was put in production. There is a limited selection of AF; but, they just made the camera. I do not know about your judgements any more.
People report the same problems mounting M lenses on the A7RII that the other A7 bodies have with M lenses.
Whereas M lenses work really well on the Leica SL.
Donnie G: Marketplace Darwinism strikes again. Won't be much longer before the two M4/3rd camera companies become extinct too. Now you see them, soon you won't. :))
I more than suspect Samsung is not leaving the camera market entirely.
random with no pattern?
These are all basic traits to Darwinian theory. Not one seems to apply here.
Even "systems reach a dead end" doesn't really apply.
sdgreen: No matter what its merits, I thought the NX1 was overpriced, not widely available & didn't have enough lenses (not the ones I wanted anyway)
Sam showed a 300mm f/2.8.