peevee1: OK, could you predict that Samsung will be the second mirrorless system which acquires the essential pro zoom doublet? And m43 will get the doublet TWICE (from both Pana and now Oly) before Sony, Fuji, Nikon, Canon do it?Sony got sidetracked with all that useless FE adventure, where every lens has to include that missing flange distance...
DOF you have a point about.
IQ, perhaps, perhaps not. Better Samsung lenses are optically big deals, whereas it depends with Sony. And better lenses sure help with image quality.
Sonyshine: If it had a different badge on it then sales would skyrocket.
For some reason the Samsung brand is sneered at by many photographers and I fear that the branding is what will hold this excellent camera back?
Unless you have raws to share from the Exmor (camera unknown), and not the DPR studio scene, I'm not going to treat your claims real seriously.
"Exmor" is a general Sony sensor name--BSI I believe, and it is unlikely that BSI sensors from the 2010 come close to the high ISO performance of APSC sensor from that era.
As far as I know no smaller sensored cameras (EXMOR did not exist as APSC in 2010) were actually useable at ISO 1600, whereas the NX100 is easily useable there--when shooting raw, not jpeg.
See I have raws from the NX100 that back me up. While Exmor isn't even a camera type.
TimK5: I don't have any clue about Samsungs camera quality and performance, but those are killer specs!
If I hadn't purchased the GH4 recently, I would give that NX1 a serious consideration.
How high an ISO can you shoot the Pentax Q at and still get decent raws?
Peter CS: Not meaning to sound too pessimistic, but...Why bother - already excellent and superb Fujifilm, Samsung, Sony, and m4/3 lenses and cameras are already in abundance! Another lens mount and little apparent innovation. Price of new lenses is out-of-site. If camera and ultra-wide zoom would be weather and dust resistant, that would a positive development for us landscape aficionados! Another thought - hopefully this camera will have a innovative and high dynamic range sensor and super fast and reliable autofocus! Fujifilm mirrorless are already impressive in sensor technology and work very well with existing M lenses with their adapter. Leica is very late to the table of an already crowded field...should have made these cameras long ago, instead of very slightly modified, underperforming (for serious photographers) Panasonic P&S!
Fuji lenses aren't up to the best M lenses, the best Samsungs are close.
KameraFever: You know who will not sneer away from this camera? Videographers, care least about about what the name badge. If the NX1 delivers the goods in great 4k video, they will be all over this. Did you see the secondary market revolved around the Panasonic GH series? The same thing will happen here.
Wrong again, you've confused measuring with modeling.
Many of the numbers used to calculate the final score are in fact made up, based on yes real models.
f/4 is a good bit slower than f/2.8.
Anadrol: If quality is there that's an impressive lens !
There's no real question of high optical quality with the better graded Samsung NX lenses.
Better Samsung lenses compete with Leica and Zeiss for optical quality. And even just very good Samsung lenses match the best Fuji lenses.
I'd not think that's an automatic rule.
But the FZ1000 is not a pocket camera exactly. And it's not a high ISO match for the Samsung NX-Mini.
Sony needs to work out the raw compression problems with the A7 cameras. IQ is not what it should be, particularly above base ISO.
Rod McD: A new sensor, and a very ambitious camera and lens system. Kudos Samsung. If the great specs are borne out by performance and reliability, it should sell for them. One thing I've never understood about Samsung's camera products is their almost total lack of marketing. It stands in stark contrast to their TVs and other electronic goods (- at least as far as I can see in Australia).
I know already that it's not for me. It's aimed at a different sector of the mirror-less market. I'm in the 'small and light' mirror-less camp. With it's 16-50/2-2.8 attached, this camera isn't.
There's been some print marketing for the NX system in the USA.
The NX3000 with the 20-50 isn't small and light? What about the NX mini?
There are small fast 30mm and 45mm lenses for this system, no need to use this particular "kit" zoom for the NX1.
The sensor in the NX100 has very good dynamic range, and can easily be used at ISO 1600+, which is high for an APSC sensor in the year 2010. DR does drop off with the ISO increase, like other sensors.
(A firmware update of late 2012 improved the high ISO performance of the NX100, by half a stop to ISO 2000.)
D1N0: On paper this is a great camera. It all depends on the execution though. You cannot just throw together a bunch of specs en expect it to be a great camera. I'll await the reviews before passing judgement. Fuji and Olympus/Pana better watch out for this one and Sony has yet to make a camera in this class (mirrorless with centered evf, (A3000 doesn't count, too cheap ass. Of course the is the A7 but that isn't cropped).
In what sense? Samsung has better lenses than the APSC mirrorless Sony.
And the Samsung raws are better, and the NX30 is a better high ISO camera than the A6000. And the A6000 really doesn't have a good EVF.
I hope you're not going to go citing DXO sensor scores.
Those Sony FE bodies are far from useless.
kevin_r: If I'm not mistaken, Samsung will have used Schneider's technology in this one. Could be an interesting outcome with the image quality.
You be mistaken.
A Korean company (Optron) does lenses for Samsung.
Samsung and Schneider don't work together anymore.
peevee1: That is one powerful camera. I wish they have learned from Fuji the design and firmware support practices though.DPR, how about a complete review, including AF-C test at 15 fps?
Samsung updates NX firmware.
Let me see, Fuji design, like no EVF on/off button on the XE2; that's something to learn from--as an example of what never to do.
SKPhoto12: Depending on actual image quality, this camera system will take market share for sure. It already has 2 pro zooms, a 50mm f1.4, a 85mm f1.4, only really lacking a WA or two to have a working pro kit. Compare it to Sony, which does not know which foot to stand on and seemingly has no coherent global product strategy and even Fuji, which in spite of excellent prime lenses, still have no pro zooms and half way bankrupt Olympus and you have to believe that this is a serious entry into the semi-pro product market. The largest smart phone manufacturer in the world does not drag its feet.CanIkon watch out. These guys are here to stay and so far they have delivered on every promise!
Didn't Fuji just introduce a pro-zoom? It's a 50-140mm f/2.8 constant.
"image quality" is what you pick?
Are you not familiar with digital cameras?
Don't confuse jpeg quality, which isn't great on some NX models, with image quality.
Sony was lazy with they Nex APSC lenses, Samsung and Fuji weren't.
Sony took years to catch up menus of Samsung NX bodies.
A problem with some Samsung NX bodies, buffering, they're not as well made as the best Fujis, likely because Samsung expects them to be replaced every few years. And the very good EVFs on later models aren't as good as the best Sony EVFs.
Wrong, DXO is using theoretical light sources to make guesses about how the sensor should perform and then publishes numbers.
That's not measuring, that's modeling being substituted for testing.
Go dig around the DXO website, this is confirmed.
alexpaynter: This camera produces 14 bit files, but is it normal to only produce 12 bit files when in continuous mode?
This seems a bit of a limitation especially when phones using the new Snapdragon 810 chip will produce 14 bit files.
Which cellphone camera shoot raw, again? I can think of maybe 3, not one from Samsung.