Stephan Def: Samsung should come out and say what their strategy is going forward because, I don't get this. Samsung has spent millions developing a lot of basic digital camera technology. It would be very bad business to just throw it all away.
Wait for new NX cameras at CES.
Speculation: Perhaps there will be a full framed variety. Perhaps a partnership.
I'm not going to speak to Samsung marketing technique.
I'm more interested in gear than in the marketing of such gear.
Zeisschen: I really don't know what people hang out on this forum, but for sure the majority has obviously no sense for quality products and their price.
Nobody ever touched or used a Leica, but the rant about price goes on and on on every Leica thread...
There's another digital M rangefinder by a different company?
The M mount is out of patent protection, go to.
Mike FL: Samsung is an interesting co while comes to make cams, they are always thinking BIG while SONY is in the opposite - thinking small. So the results are opposite too as expected:
Look the BIG Samsung:
I don't think any party is making money on compact P&S cameras outside of smartphones.
Mike FL: Samsung might still have some life left if Sam joined MFT club years ago rather than did the NX thing.
Now, we do not know if Sam will make NX600 as NX500 is very much under the gun of SONY A6000 and A5100.
SONY can kill NX500 by Black Friday, Cyber Monday if SONY wants to, and if NX500 is still alive after X-Mas, then there is always an after NEW YEARS sale.
Anyway, NX500 is in the hands of SONY now, and Samsung's whole camera business' life is in danger.
SONY is a killer.
True Samsung should never have pushed into the TV market in a big way, seeing as how dominant Sony, Panasonic and Toshiba were.
supeyugin1: Crazy idea: Samsung will buy Sony and rename all the cameras to Minolta.
Sony is far too big of a mess.
The rumor, years ago now, was that Apple was considering buying Sony--probably for the music and movies.
Wait for CES in January.
aruky: This seems like a desperate move for a company as big as Samsung. Instead of building brand trust they focus on return to shareholder friendly profit growth. Profit growth , or lack thereof, has been a major problem for the company lately.Smartphone business- is not getting any easier. So they seem to streamline their operations. But pulling out of Europe's biggest market and still doing insane marketing and rebate programs here - buy a TV and get a tablet free, buy a Galaxy and get wireless speakers worth 300$ free, etc.-. I don't get it.
You know that Samsung isn't simply a consumer electronics company?
RStyga: The replacement of the brass top with aluminum reducing by 100g the overall weight is an improvement. It only took them a century (in digital camera years) to come up with that but, anyway, it's a good thing. However, crippling the camera and call it a feature (or back to pure form or whatever the Book of Stupids dictates) is something very few manufacturers have dared to do but no surprise coming from Leica. I would think that removing the fiddly, complex and archaic RF mechanism would reduce the cost much more than removing LV/video but, hey, Leica's market... er, I mean engineers, know better. Try to knock a bit hard on a surface with this 'high-quality' body and see how accurate your focusing will become. Oh, well.... and the price is Leica, i.e., still for victims of the red dot. Overall, another great product form Leica. Maybe they need to reach bankruptcy without Panasonic around to wake up from their lethargic and monolithic sleep.
Sales of M bodies and M lenses say that Leica is not missing the point.
J Alan Paul: How are they getting that kind of quality out of the ISO 8000 images? I swear my A7ii with the old and new firmware doesn't look that good at ISO 1000. I've pushed a few files up to 3200 and 4000, but all I get are smeared details and ugly noise patterns.
I'm shooting in raw, processing in Lightroom CC2015 and Photoshop CC2015.
Am I missing something?
My D600's files hold up much better at 6400 than my A7ii does at 3200. I love this camera but I've learned that I can't shoot it that high. I'm trying to justify leaving nikon for Sony, but I consistently get better images out of my Nikon. It's a bummer because of how much I enjoy having the Sony with me at all times and not my bulky Nikons.
It doesn't make sense to see those night city images at an ISO that high looking that detailed. Is there something wrong with my camera?
I'm using an la-ea4 with a Minolta 24-50, 28-135, and 70-210. Also have adapted a few of my Nikon lenses to it as well, including my 85 1.8, and Tokina 16-28 2.8.
J Alan Paul:
It more that likely has something to do with the fact that the ISO 8000 night time skyline photos are are shot with the optically best SonyZeiss lens.
But try checking the development settings too.
Yes, optically better lenses help with higher ISOs. Cue the arguments.
I used ACR 9.11 in Photoshop CS6.
luxor2: Real leica purists don't have to use the shutter, they expose using a lens cap like the old timey cameras. A shutterless Leica would be even quieter, Typ 263?
Gee, snotty condescending attitude about Leica M bodies.
How say in the film era would one have shot an M6 at 1/250 of sec. by your proposed method of early 19th century photo plate exposure?
"lost cause", like insisting that you actually look at what Leica lenses can do if you want to be treated seriously? That's a lost cause, since all you do is spout off about how that's not possible--or about how it's something easy to match.
PeaceKeeper, lost the argument by pretending that my points about this new M body had anything to do with defending the high price of Leica gear.
Still not dealing with PEF, NEF, DNG I see.
PeaceKeeper: More expensive than a brand new m3 with summicron on release(adjusted).
supeyugin1: I think that Samsung don't understand what they are doing. It's not a TV or a cell phone where you can easily change brands. It's a system where people invested thousands inlenses, and now they need to throw everything away? Samsung is completely nuts!
Just a Photographer:
Wrong, about your cellphone camera claim.
I was specifically told something along the lines of the NX500 with an EVF will be at CES. (Perhaps it will be full framed so not technically an NX lens mount–but this is speculation on my part.)
You also seem highly ignorant of the folklore about fairies, elves, etc. There’s a whole French made documentary on Icelandic road projects being re-routed to account for elves' houses. I’m sure there are other versions from around the world.
Don’t know why it is, but you seem to have a vested interest in Samsung withdrawing from the camera market.
HowaboutRAW: Much stronger colour, and those ISO 8000 skyline shots look real good.
That too way too long.
It would be nice to see real world shots of the same basic scene taken at the different bit depths. The Seattle skyline should be easy to do that way.
Now Sony, how about the same improvement for the A99 and A77II.
Sony just released a new A mount body in Europe.
And you'll note I picked two bodies still for sale new by Sony.
Andrea Georgia: I very much suspect that Samsung thinks that the US has the growth potential which Europe doesn't seem to have anymore, precisely because the US is not as saturated with mirrorless cameras as Europe is. This does not mean that Samsung will be correct in their assessment. But their current marketing activity from twitter to photo shows in the US points this way. We'll see how things will develop there over the next few months.
By now it should be clear though that Samsung do not feel any commitment to their customers and may pull out at any time if the numbers don't add up.
Now that they've abandoned many European countries including Germany and also the Netherlands, I'm pretty sure they will roll things up in Europe entirely. I think the Brits still have a couple of shops which sell NX, incl. Wex Photographic.
I suspect that it won't help US sales when word gets around in the US how Samsung have abandoned the European market so quickly, how entirely unreliable they are.
I'm sure Samsung is working with Optron, and it's not like you can buy an Optron lens for your Canon. (Does make me wonder about the manual focus Rokinon/Samyang/Bower lenses.)
Donnie G: Canon produced 80 million "old school", solidly built, fast handling, dependable, mostly mirror flipping EOS ILC workhorses that sell, while Samsung produced a couple of thousand "new school" mirrorless NX ILC toys that they couldn't even give away. Now folks want to act as if they're surprised that Samsung is abandoning their camera business to return to what they're good at, which is making TVs, smartphones and anything else except interchangeable lens cameras. C'mon now, you mean you really didn't see that one coming? :))
I see a lot of fully electric cars in my city, and that number goes up if you count things like the Chevy Volt (I see them all the time) and the BMW i3 (not easy to quickly determine if only battery powered).
That's not even counting all the Prii I see.
justmeMN: The USA is apparently the world's worst market for mirrorless cameras, so after Christmas Shopping Season, I suspect that Samsung will pull the plug here.
Why is it that you seem so interested in Samsung failing in the camera market?
Can't give you the source, but the guy may know of what he speaks--this is NOT the same as the source within Samsung USA, that says wait for CES in January.
Opton (a Korean optics company) is the lens maker for Samsung NX lenses--meaning that's outside involvement, if still Korean.
Nikon doesn't exclusively use Sony sensors--the Df and D4S use Nikon engineered sensors manufactured likely by Renesas.
Much stronger colour, and those ISO 8000 skyline shots look real good.
I'm basing my guess on a rumor I heard about Nikon doing a lot of the design and engineering of the NX1 body.
But it is just a rumor.