budi0251: My oh my dear Fuji, I register promptly to DPReview just because of reading this review. Been using HS20 for sometimes & love it, but I do really envy a true DSLR.
Now, the next best thing is, PLEASEEEEEE...... somebody take this Fujifilm X-Pro1 sensor/electronics and shove it into some proper DSLR body with good lens support. ie Nikon or Canon, but I'd prefer Nikon cause they've actually being merged in the past.(Anyone remember Fuji S1/S2/S3/S5 Pro Series?)
One killer DSLR with PDAF, dream like sensor, great lens support, great body and accessories (I like full sized DSLR, i got big hand).What else you'd want (well maybe a reasonable price)?
Fuji lens, aren't good enough? Or is that numerous enough? Fuji seems to be doing a better job with new native lenses for the X Pro1 than Sony does for the Nex cameras.
neo_nights: Sigma is the new Leica now? (amazing and overpriced cameras)
And the Sigmas/Foveons have some real positives--not the same positives as Leicas though.
veroman: As one who has owned and used the Sigma cameras, I applaud Sigma for their efforts to keep the Foveon concept alive. They even purchased the Foveon company!
Unfortunately, merely increasing sensor size & resolution as well as putting their new sensor in a small body doesn't remedy problems that have plagued this design since Day One.
I will be the first to say that the Foveon sensor provides a unique and distinctive file ... in many instances a remarkable one under the right conditions. But there's the problem: if the conditions aren't to the camera's liking, the results can be pretty awful ... whereas my tiny Olympus E-420 nails it every time ... no matter what I throw at it.
It takes lots of courage (and cash!) to keep singing the same song over and over again with only little variation between performances. I just wish they'd change their tune to something more modern ... like a usable ISO 1600-3200.
How about a clone of a Fuji-Nikon camera for say $1500 instead of $6000?
cgarrard: I don't see huge lines in wait for this camera, says my crystal ball. Despite any good sounding specs or marketing.
Similar claims are made about the Leica M9.
audijam: most kids hate sigma because it's not a "legit" brand like canon and nikon, and, of course they haven't even seen an image produced by sigma camera. somehow the same kids can comment on how their dream cars ferraris/lambos can perform but sadly they haven't even seen one in real life.
well...having that said...i won't pay $999 for this either....but i would pay 999 for SD1m...that camera is SICK!!!
Foveon colour is not minutely better at low ISOs--all this claim proves is that you haven't extracted low ISO Foveon raws.
Leica makes $5000 per body sold? Can you back that up for cameras other than the S2?
Now one of the things about colour is the lens. A Nikon D3s does much better colour with a Zeiss lens than with a Nikon lens, for example.
"SD2"? (And yes, I know there's a 2008 typo on the Adorama website.)
Klarno: When the fixed-lens Sony DSC-R1 cost the same seven years ago and had a more capable lens, this kind of pricing is a joke.
Sigma isn't Fuji and they sure as heck aren't Leica either. Sigma isn't a manufacturer of luxury products, so why do they keep pricing their cameras like they are?
Mostly true, but this DP Merrill also needs a good lens (very likely there) and importantly it needs much better raw extraction software than Sigma Pro Photo 5.2.
Raist3d: I must say not too happy with the sample images but then the sd1 original sample images were pretty horrible. What I do still see though is color red foveon noise scotches in dark areas that seem endemic to the new 15 mp sensor and this is at the ISo 200 base setting
My dp2 could also show those but usually at higher ISos or doing more extreme shadow recovery.
I will check when raw files are floatin around but doesn't scream to me like it would do the lower light performance I want.
Hopefully the final product does stellar at low ISos in good light
Try looking at raws, it's not like you can't get raws from the SD1 online--and this is the same sensor.
forpetessake: Looks like investors are getting nervous. I think their fears are justified, the ROI with this company might end up be negative. On the other hand they deserve what they got, who in his sober mind would invest in a $400 toy camera idea with no perspectives of making it significantly cheaper or better?
It could be made better.
How much did a cheap digital camera cost in the year 2000 again?
intensity studios: Dude what is the point of these cameras?
If you are willing to spend $400 on a camera, you value your photography. If you value your photography, you make sure to get the shot in focus BEFORE you shoot it.
Why would I buy this weird looking thing?
So you're saying that every shot you'd want focused at-on a certain plane of focus is shot exactly the way you want? You're just the most amazing technical photographer then.
The sensor in the M9 is good through ISO 800 to 1000. Yes really.
Why "look forward to"? You can get the same sensor in the SD1 Merrill today.
iudex: The price is not that exaggerated as the DP1 price, however no big deal regarding what it offers. Fixed focal length fixed lens, no VF, no grip, useless video mode... and for 1000 bucks. No, thank you. The X100 seems to be a much better choice. I did not see any printed pictures made by Foveon sensor, from what I can see online I am not enchanted; the standard comparison picture from SD1 test here on DPR showed Foveon is no miracle: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmasd1/18The idea itself (large sensor compact) is great, this one seems to be a camera for very specific situations and only for people who really want a Foveon sensor.
Right the SD1 is unusable above ISO 800.
But ISO 800 is about where colour film stops being useable too.
Gesture: The cameras do have limitations, but, until recently, this was the most compact, quietest, best lens and image quality (under specified conditions) for the total price camera. Now, we do have Canon, Leica, Fuji, soon Sony with APS-C/near APS-C sensor in a compact package. I will go out on a limb and call the previous DP lenses exceptional. The lens and a very smooth shutter may be as valuable as the sensor on this model. I would have preferred 40mm effective focal length, however.
Not saying that the Leica X1 was first, just that Leica is not new to this game as was posted above. Suspect too that the Leica X1's lens is a bit faster than that on the DP1.
ponyman: I've just pre-ordered an RX100. To be honest I would really prefer this DP2M - I'm not going to be using 99% of the gizmos on the Sony. But ultimately I fear of the Sigma's lack of speed speed would be a frustration for me - it's also bigger than I would really like my pocket camera to be. Converting the $ to £ as tends to happen means that the Sigma would be nearly twice the price of the Sony (and Sony are currently offering 6 months interest free tick here, which also helps - not a likely option on the Sigma). I will however be interested in the reviews of the Sigma which I shall no doubt secretly covert. Hope I won't regret getting the RX100.
Did you order a battery charger with that Sony RX100, oh wait...
Sure the Sony is a better all around pocket camera than the Sigma. That's not why people would be purchasing the Sigma.
Leica is not new to this game; they've been in it for years, see the Sony sensored X1, which Fuji heavily borrowed from for the X100.
Cipher: Once again. Sigma preys on the gullible Sigma fanatics who will pay almost any price for the "foveon" look.
Don't think a lot of people paid for the SD1 look at the original price.
People sure like the DP2, DP2s, DP2x though.
So I take it you didn't bother to find landscape 200 ISO Sigma SD1 raws and extract the raws yourself (the software is free to anybody, it can be difficult to use, but try it and you'll see what excites people about Foveon images.)
Hope Sigma fixes the mess that is the raw extraction software, or Adobe adds this camera to ACR 7.xxx.
The Leica S2 is overpriced compare to what? All of the other medium format camera/lens systems which cost more?
If you mean the M9, name another full frame digital range finder?
If you mean the lenses, well they're expensive, but unmatched for colour and sharpness.
dotyman: I truly wish Fuji would hire an industrial designer/interface designer that understands how people use cameras. While the engineering in this camera is outstanding, the overall user experience is so incomplete that many potential buyers are simply not going to buy it. Especially at such a premium price. And it's SO CLOSE to being the perfect relatively-compact pro camera (which is why it's so disappointing).
The numerous quirks/performance failures of Fuji's X-series cameras is an indication that the company doesn't really care about putting out a fully refined product. Fuji's leadership still thinks like a manufacturer of mass-produced consumer-level products of compromise. What a let-down!
Get a CLUE Fuji!! The X100 was much less than it could have been because of its poor performance and half-a$$ed interface, and now the X-Pro1 is nearly as much of a let-down. And I really wanted to love this camera. It could have been a rock star!
You realize that link is only three weeks old and it mentions a slow auto focus that's been fixed.
Slow auto focus was NOT the problem I mentioned---that was the out of focus problem.
It's not clear if this firmware update fixed this out of focus problem.
Also this camera is now a year old, at least, and this slow focus problem is just now being addressed by Fuji?