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On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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yzhenkai: Key word of the comments: FLARE.

More like cliché word of the comments.

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On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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ttran88: Just thinking about these "flare gate" comments and thought to my self how I would rather have flare than a outdated sensor in my camera.

lcf:

Sorry the problem has been demonstrated with the D610.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 21:17 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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jadmaister2: I don't feel that we, or Nikon, should stick our heads in the sand on the flare issue. I have looked at the 4 or 5 sites that carfully document this problem, and show some home made solutions, but the conclusion can ONLY be, IMO, that Nikon have a careless production line which is (maybe by now 'was') allowing through a number of 750's with badly mounted sensors. When such a camera is used with the light source just out of shot above the frame, the banding occurs.
If your sample is better aligned, I'm glad, but it is exactly sites such as DpReview that should allow the buying public to alert Nikon to the issue and force a correction.
It's a wonderful camera, but it is ludicrous to buy a product that contains a potential fault.
As a Nikon owner of long standing, I may add that I'm ashamed by Nikon's poor response to the issue.

And what do you think of Canon's response to the same issue?

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 21:16 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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Sad Joe: Sadly the brand new D750 appears to have the same quality control issues that forced the D600 out of the market. Given some of the very negative comments expressed you’d think that Nikon had set out to TRICK people into buying a naff camera – this is ridiculous- I feel sorry of the early users of the D750 who may or may not have this problem. I NEVER buy a new camera upon launch as 1: They often contain faults/ bugs 2: The price ALWAYS comes DOWN given a few months. Nikon need to man up and get this sorted FAST – the D600 did a lot of damage to Nikon’s reputation. Me – this Christmas I’m shooting with a 1977 Nikkormat FT2 (film of course) a Canon EOS-M (so much better than you would expect and the bargain of 2013/ 14) and a NEXUS table – whatever foalts ya boat people- its the final result that counts....

V:

Nothing stopping you from shooting 35mm film. May not want to shoot ISO 6400 colour though.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 21:15 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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Wahrsager: I’m sure this issue will be resolved just like the Canon’s 5DIII “light leak issue” and the “red dot flare issue” that some of the hot, rapidly developed mirrorless cameras have suffered.

There seems to be a parallel trend in the auto and camera industries lately: Tremendous pressure to develop a best-in-class feature set at a sustainable price in a very slim time frame with subsequent slips in product perfection.

Like my earlier metaphor for the D750- That it’s the “Honda Accord” of cameras- Not perfect or the best at everything, but probably the most well-rounded vehicle for most people. Well the Honda Accord too has a bevy of minor difficulties (Technical service bulletins) that you may never be aware of yet it’ll remain the best in its segment.

W+j:

Name a full framed DSLR, current, without this stepped flare "problem"?

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 21:14 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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Plastek: Frozen hell! Nikon got Sony-style tiltable LCD!

Shame that it's only like the one in lower-end cameras, with no swiveling to the sides, but still: progress is progress.

Well done Nikon.

The D5XXX series has had one for years. (I guess not exactly the same style.)

There are big reasons to avoid them on pro bodies like the D4S.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 21:13 UTC
On High-end full frame roundup (2014) article (541 comments in total)
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AlephNull: Nikon D810 is the best enthusiast full-frame. The D750 is only better if you consider price.

Rishi Sanyal:

Thank you.

And the D750 is also a better high ISO camera than the D610, by a good bit--easy enough to see in the DPR studio raws.

Now, yesterday I redid my Sony A7S check using the mechanical shutter, not the silent electronic shutter, and with the A7S raws are nearly the high ISO equals of the Nikon Df, if you use the mechanical shutter. Whereas with the silent shutter the A7S barely competes with the D750.

The mechanical shutter on the A7S+R is still too loud.

I'd hope Nikon could learn whatever Sigma figured out for lenses.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 20:28 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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riman: I have a D750 and it works fine..exposure right on target, little noise even at high ISO, accurate and fast auto focus. easy to handle and no flare...DP Review had high praise for it and I totally agree although if you hold it upside down while riding an elephant in a rainstorm at midnight, it loses its focus and I guess some would say that means its just a terrible camera!

SJ,

I don't think the D750 is made in China, some Nikon bodies are made in Thailand others in Japan.

The stepped flare problem appears with other current FF DSLRs in similar situations.

The problem is really infrequent.

The D750 has many amazing strengths to recommend it. It's not likely to drop in price significantly.

So you be wrong.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 15:44 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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HowaboutRAW: There's a camera with no flare?

Which one?

Seriously:

I want to see an example of a DSLR that doesn't have this stepped flare in similar circumstances.

And I want Leica, Pentax 645, and PhaseOne included in the testing. Then APSC+4/3s, various brands, too.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 15:08 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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HowaboutRAW: There's a camera with no flare?

Which one?

V:

And I've shot dozens of D750 raws into strong (albeit fluorescent) lighting at the local shop--never seen the problem in my raws.

In the same lighting, I have shot dozens of raws, from each of the following: the 6D, D4, D4s, D810, D610, D600, D800, D750, 1Dx, Df, A99, D7100, A77II, 7DII, D5300, and the K3 and several more, never seen this stepped flare--though some of the lenses flared.

Where the problem occurs, that's in all of the Imaging Resource full framed examples, the stepped flare is a problem. Meaning it doesn't matter if it is stronger with the D750.

However it remains really infrequent, and, as others have repeatedly pointed out, flare often means the image isn't used.

The one repeated use of flare is the cliché of the diaphanous bride, it's a cliché that brides and wedding photographers should learn to avoid. (Sometimes works for a rock musician on stage.)

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 14:55 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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ecube: What differentiate a "Professional grade" from an "Enthusiast grade" camera?
As I recall, The National Geographics Magazine use the Nikon D1 or perhaps the D2X for the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird article in 2004 or 2005. The D2X had a whopping 12.4 mega-pixel. At that time, the D2X was considered one of the two top of the line Professional DSLR Cameras.

Comparing the specs of D2X and D750, it seems to me that D750 has much more advance features and certainly better IQ than the D2X. The D2X has a DX sensor and DX lenses while the D750 has Full Frame 24+ mega pixel sensor and uses FX lenses. Dynamic range, ISO sensitivity, wider shutter speed ranges, etc. That said, why does DPReview label D750 a mere enthusiasts camera when it clearly far better than the Professional Grade D2X?

V:

That would take some pretty convoluted thinking.

Service, right, bet if you buy a D4S or 1DX there's much more of a quick service, and temporary swap, system in place than with other Canon and Nikon bodies. (But this is speculation on my part.)

If you take a D610 out in the rain, and it fails, Nikon may not treat too seriously claims of the camera breaking while under warranty--same with the Canon 6D and Canon. But if a D4S fails, bet that gets treated seriously. It doesn't matter whether you attach the word "pro" to yourself or not--that's next to meaningless for these purposes.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 14:32 UTC
On Lytro software update introduces Focus Spread feature article (102 comments in total)
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threed123: Yeah, Yugster does force you to browse. Here is the link, and it is the $499 camera sold as a refurb: http://www.yugster.com/deals/64188-lytro-light-field-infinite-focus-digital-camera-w-free-case-5-styles

I understand this is not the Illum...just saying the camera technology is confusing for the price, and based on the number of refurbs floating around for the "older" camera, it was confusing to use and of little use to most consumers looking for a "magical" camera.

And in 1994 a DSLR with a 1.5MP sensor and an external data recorder cost something like $10,000.

I'm sure you can get an older model Lytro on Ebay for about the same price too--and Ebay is easy to search. (Same goes for a 2012 jpeg only Canon, albeit those P&S cams didn't sell for $500 in 2012.)

This tech is definitely part of the future of digital imaging, not sure it will be a consumer thing and not sure it will always have the name Lytro.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 02:28 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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yzhenkai: Gold flare.

SJ:

I think Imaging Resource put it to rest as a common problem with most current DSLRs.

Wonder what the Leica M240, Leica S2, Pentax 645Z and Nikon D4S do? (Those last 3 DSLRs not tested by IR for this problem. Then there's testing all of the current APSC DSLR bodies.)

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 01:21 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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Carlos Loff: Nikon has become overpriced on its top cameras - If Nikon does´t care about that it will run down hill - The Market is Out There !!!

Carlos:

Why, I'm not sure to what you refer.

The Sony full frames don't have magic flash sync speeds.

The A99, though nice and a good video/DSLR camera, is not the high ISO equal of the D750.

The A77II isn't particularly good at high ISOs.

The A7s is only a very good high ISO camera, if you shoot with the loud mechanical shutter--a point I just confirmed today. I had thought it worse at high ISOs, since I'd only tested it previously with the silent electronic shutter. The Nikon Df is the high ISO equal of the A7s shooting mechanical shutter and the Df is quieter. With the A7s' electronic shutter, well then the D750 equals the A7s' higher ISO performance.

All of those A cameras, including the A7R, have colour problems.

So you still don't know of what you write.

Bet it's possible to get stepped flare with the A99 too.

The A99 is tough, and I like many of the SonyZeiss A and FE lenses.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 01:13 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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ozturert: Don't brag about the flare issue please. For sure Nikon will correct that... In D760...
Then I'll sell my D800 and buy a D900 :)

M:

That's a strange definition of "problematic".

oz:

The D800 also has this flare problem.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 27, 2014 at 00:57 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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HowaboutRAW: There's a camera with no flare?

Which one?

blink,

Yes all cameras have flare.

Some don't have stepped flare.

V: No, I've not looked at that video.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 26, 2014 at 23:10 UTC
On Samsung NX1 First Impressions Review preview (932 comments in total)
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satyam: What is BSI (CMOS)?..what's its sensor size?

APSC is the sensor size.

BSI=Back Side Illuminated (ion).

Direct link | Posted on Dec 26, 2014 at 22:33 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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HowaboutRAW: There's a camera with no flare?

Which one?

lcf80:

And as IR well demonstrated the Nikon and Canon full framed DSLRs all have this problem. (So much for you paying attention.)

Does the Leica S2 not?

Direct link | Posted on Dec 26, 2014 at 22:00 UTC
On Nikon D750 Review preview (1157 comments in total)
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ecube: What differentiate a "Professional grade" from an "Enthusiast grade" camera?
As I recall, The National Geographics Magazine use the Nikon D1 or perhaps the D2X for the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird article in 2004 or 2005. The D2X had a whopping 12.4 mega-pixel. At that time, the D2X was considered one of the two top of the line Professional DSLR Cameras.

Comparing the specs of D2X and D750, it seems to me that D750 has much more advance features and certainly better IQ than the D2X. The D2X has a DX sensor and DX lenses while the D750 has Full Frame 24+ mega pixel sensor and uses FX lenses. Dynamic range, ISO sensitivity, wider shutter speed ranges, etc. That said, why does DPReview label D750 a mere enthusiasts camera when it clearly far better than the Professional Grade D2X?

Weather and dust sealing, being able to take drops and smashes, those are pro attributes. (The D750 is nowhere near as tough as D4S.)

Then things like frame rate, buffer depth, AF speed and accuracy, all of which are good in the D750.

Pixel count rarely has much to do with it.

Nikon didn't release a full framed body until the D3 which was years after the D2X.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 26, 2014 at 21:58 UTC
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Mike FL: In low-light, LX100's bright zoom has greater advantage over GX7 or any m43 system cameras with zoom; Panasonic or Olympus, but this advantage becomes less comparing to SONY APS-C sensor cameras as SONYs are almost the same size with kit zoom, and much much cheaper.

BTW: SONY's kit zoom is not as bad as most of the people thought if keeping the print size small, 8x10 for example.

Yes.

Direct link | Posted on Dec 26, 2014 at 21:46 UTC
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