steelhead3: Can the ergonomics even compete with the Sony A77II?
Um, disabuse yourself of a presumption there.
And I have raws that back all of these points up.
topstuff: To me, it looks like something from the last decade.
I know its got killer AF and the BIF guys will love it, but to anyone who doesn't need the sports/BIF AF capability, its just a big heavy brick with average IQ, IMHO.
I'm sure you realize this, but mirrorless cameras have had SLR styled examples for some time, one of the earliest would be the Samsung NX10.
Clearly there are newer current examples like the NX30, Fuji XT1 and Olympus EM1 and Pana GH4.
Right a DSLR shaped body has all sorts of pretty obvious examples.
And I'm not commenting on the A900. Since I've not really used it.
The fact remains that say the raws from the A7 look wrong, while those from the D610 don't and the A7's raws are a good bit smaller.
It's not a lens thing, and often the very good Zeiss lenses don't help the Sony.
Or take the A6000 with a decent lens against the D5300, or put a Zeiss on both, the Nikon will look better. (Albeit I'm not real familiar with this particular Nikon.)
The problem is the claim that the Canon 7DII looks like it belongs from ten years ago. That's the reason for making the point about turntables and current iPods.
Something from 30 years ago has come back rather strongly because it sounds so much better than modern iPod hardware. (There are indeed much better sounding personal music players for digital than iPods, but that's a different point.)
I'm not sure that the A900 has compressed raws.
Think A7R raws versus D800 raws. Nikon's raws are generally 1/3 bigger from the same sensor.
Vignes: DXO detail analysis chart which shows the performance from low ISO to high ISO are helpful. it gives you a first hand pass of the sensor capability. from there you can narrow down your camera selection for your needs. They should leave the user to decide based on their study on the analysis chart rather than providing scores.. This will look unbiassed and professional. Users should spend time learning how to read the charts rather than just taking the scores and recommendation.
There is the fact that DXO doesn't appear to know much about light. Better lenses have a big impact on things like sensor noise and DXO does not account for lenses in sensor scores.
But really truly they don't actually do what normal people would consider measurements.
The numbers are "scientific" in that they are indeed based on real engineering models. But that's not a record of hardware results.
That's not the color trouble I'm talking about with Sony.
Sony sensors work fine in Nikon cameras.
Don't confuse jpeg and raw either.
The big red flag is the much smaller raw size from Sony cameras using the same sensor as Nikon cameras.
The color trouble you're talking about is easy to fix if shooting raw, the color trouble I'm noting is NOT easy to fix even with raws from the Sonys.
Note how popular turntables are.
Also note the horrid sound quality from almost all iPods.
This camera is a big deal for APSC cameras and for Canon.
Picturenaut: To all those referring to DxO's bad ranking of the 7DII: just watch Tony Northrop explaining clearly why the philosophy of DxO's ranking system doesn't give any useful information about cameras such as the 7D2. He shows why the 7D2 is a really great crop camera in particular for sports and wildlife stills & video shooters:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTuBr0W0Zhw&list=PLwIVS3_dKVpsjSZrQ7H-Nw8GQ7ZuDYyaD
Btw my local camera provider (a pro shop) told me recently that the 7D2 is flying off his shelves, in particular a lot of videographers buy it.
Canon's refusal to use Sony sensor for DSLRs is likely a good thing in the long run, and for a related reason Nikon uses a Toshiba sensor in the D7100.
Then look at how much better Nikon and Fuji, etc do with Sony sensors than Sony.
Sony undermines itself.
That said, I like the A7, the A77, the A99, the RX100III, the A7S: But the color is wrong even starting from raw, and it's not fixable. The problem is likely from the raw compression.
No, the point is the sensor scores are not "credible". They are just there.
Some manufacturers misrepresenting ISO performance is a different issue.
The fact remains that DXO basically is NOT testing hardware.
Yes, the ergonomics of this 7D compete with the A77's.
No smartphones will not have the IQ of raw shooting APSC sensored bodies anytime soon. And in 20 years as the phones improve so will the dedicated cameras.
The Canon 7DII is better high ISO body and has better colour than the Sony A77 too, but it's easy to use good Zeiss lenses with the Sony.
moreaurkid: Had mine a week & love it! It's awesome for birding and sports. I got the best night football and difficult gym basketball shots I've ever gotten. Its tracking is great for flying birds. I don't have the solution to open the raw files in Photoshop CS6 yet.
Once one installs ACR 8.7, PhotoShop CS6 extracts Canon 7D IIs raws normally.
So no need to go the DNG route.
Adrian Van: So Nikon, when will you be putting out the D400 or D9300 rumored model, with more pro body features than a D7100. (D7100 has a great sensor, just needs a more robust body and other features, such as dedicated button layout and CF slot for pro DSLR videographers or photographers who want it.) Will Nikon put phase detect on sensor in the next version for better video AF, or is there a patent issue?
Canon certainly thinks that there is a market for a pro body high spec APSC camera like this 7D2, as its earlier 7D was very successful. Hope to see something new in DX from Nikon for more demanding photographers who want it.
The D750 although a very good camera, is not a replacement in my opinion for a D400 pro body (similar to D300s pro body). D400 may never happen, or will it? now that 7D2 is out.
You continually get this wrong: The Nikon D7100 uses a Toshiba sensor.
Are you interested in camera gear or just bashing Nikon? It looks to be the latter.
That Sony raw compression is a dead albatross weighing down many Sonys.
Interestingly PhaseOne's current, 2014, raws are tiny for the pixel count but no other company gets away with it, by way of example Nikon D750 raws are bigger than PhaseOne/Leaf raws.
ozturert: Summary of some comments:
1) I think this is a horrible camera because I don't need it.2) This is perfect because it's Canon.3) This is terrible because it's Canon.4) X camera is much better because...5) I cannot afford it, so it's bad.6) It must be bad because I've just bought another camera, so mine should of course be better. See xxx forum if you don't believe me!7) It's ISO25600 is worse than A7, so why should waste my money?8) It's bad because DxO says so.9) 7DMarkII is way behind its competitors like A7s.10) This is old technology compared to xxx.11) There is no WiFi so it's bad.12) Fixed LCD? Come ooooon!13) No touch LCD is a deal breaker for me, I'll continue using my IPhone.14) Only 20MP? This is 2014!15) The old 70D sensor!16) The best camera ever! Does it have Instagram-like effects?17) My camera has more effects!18) Sony is kicking aeass, Canikon is waaay behind!
How about it's a wonderful camera with very good high ISO capacity for an APSC sensor, better than the Sony A77, and has better color.
It has a deep buffer, thereby dealing with one of the drawbacks to the Nikon D7100 (another excellent camera).
Put a Canon L lens on it and you'll get many good pictures. Or even better use a Zeiss or good Sigma lens.
Just trying to add some positive comments.
Oh, and the Canon has kick ass AF.
rocklobster: Why would you pay more than a GX7 for this camera - for the convenience of the two dials on the top? Am I missing something here? What else does it offer? Size advantage? - it is no smaller than the GX7 with 12-32 lens albeit a slight telephoto advantage.
It's not simply that the LX100 has a fast lens, it has a PanaLeica lens and that means the colour is better--though with this lens it is not incredibly sharp when wide open.
lacikuss: Awesome, Sony is moving the dynamics of the FF market a la P&S....
They already own Nikon now is time to beat Canon!
They are like Toyota beating GM slowly and steadily.
No, Chrysler owned a lot of Mitsubishi.
You keep making my point for me.
GM is still Opel, has been since the 1920s.
GM sold the part of Subaru's parent (Fuji Heavy Indust) to Toyota.
Saab is no more.
Bricketeer: The LX100 is my first serious compact camera after years of EOS bodies/lenses. I'm delighted with the low-light results and the quality of the images bearing in mind the sensor size compared with what I'm used to. It's not perfect (the supplied flash is pathetic) but it has rejuvenated my general walkabout photography, so I'll only be using the DSLR's for my beloved motor sport from now on. It's the compact I've waited years for. Of course, there's bound to be an upgrade with articulated/touch screen and other improvements before long, but this 'n will do me for a few years!
how sharp are the raws when the lens is open faster than f/2.8?
The G7X is a Canon, sans EVF, and the GX7 is a Panasonic with EVF, and interchangeable lenses.
To get PanaLeica lenses for the GX7 one has to pay a lot. This is an very good lens on the LX100, the kitzoom on the GX7 is near junk. Also 4K video.