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On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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Eric Ouellet: I'm not a professional but will never buy a camera that do not have an incorporated flash. It happen too much often to me to need a flash for any reason and not having it part of the camera would just let me forget it while I need it! I prefer a little bit bigger camera but with a flash... If they can include a flash in a tiny cell phone, I wonder how they can design a camera without one??? It's like a bike without break... it works, but when you need it... you need it ... its not useful if breaks are in the garage while you run in front of a very big tree :-)

Eric:

"I'm not a professional but will never buy a camera..."

Right. I guess you wouldn't buy a Leica M240 or a D4s, or a Canon 5DIII.

Cameras don't need to have flashes, whereas bikes, for the road, mostly do need brakes, and there are track bicycles sans brakes.

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On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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Jacques Cornell: I wonder why Panasonic didn't use the same 20MP 1" sensor as the FZ1000, given that it seems comparable in high-iso noise and superior in resolution. It would have allowed a smaller camera and/or faster lens. The LX100 seems like a great camera, but it doesn't provide a pocketable option for current MFT owners. Waiting for an LF2 with a better lens.

2eyessee:

I'm not using the studio comparison tool. I have shot with the GX7 and the FZ1000--test shots under bad light.

Why are you bringing up the RX100? I didn't comment up it. It's a bitter better at high ISOs than the FZ1000 I grant.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 22, 2014 at 15:05 UTC
On Photokina 2014: Hands-on with Leica X and X-E article (72 comments in total)
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DouglasGottlieb: I guess they think that a more Fuji X100 style model would cut into M or T sales.

Too bad.

This camera should have an integrated EVF.

Or be much smaller, like the Ricoh GR.

abortabout,

No, you don't because good Ricoh lenses don't rival good Leicas, whereas good Samsung lenses rival good Leica glass.

So simply making claims that you can't support with fact is a problem.

I've mostly used the cameras and lenses that I comment upon.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 22, 2014 at 15:03 UTC
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Jefftan: I really wonder how camera company do business in the film old days when cameras are used for ages somtimes decades

nowadays use a camera maybe just 3 years old feel strange at least to some. To me I will only upgrade if new camera provide real advancement.

I am still evaluating whether APS-C move to 24MP from 16MP is real advancement

Kevin Purcell:

I'm pretty sure that Pentax uses the 24MP Sony sensor in the K3, likely that Nikon uses it in the D5300 too. So there remains a reason Fuji and Leica stuck with the better high ISO 16MP sensor.

"No one had 1-inch sensors until.." I won't claim to know the exact history of the 1" sensor, but the Nikon 1 series predates the Sony RX100 by almost a year, and the Nikon 1 series uses an Aptina 1" sensor.

As I already pointed out there is a Pentax (the K3) with the 24MP Sony sensor.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 22, 2014 at 01:22 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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Jacques Cornell: I wonder why Panasonic didn't use the same 20MP 1" sensor as the FZ1000, given that it seems comparable in high-iso noise and superior in resolution. It would have allowed a smaller camera and/or faster lens. The LX100 seems like a great camera, but it doesn't provide a pocketable option for current MFT owners. Waiting for an LF2 with a better lens.

2eyesee:

The FZ1000 has trouble over ISO 1600, raw.

The GX7 can easily shoot at ISO 3200, raw, and can be pushed a bit further sans great trouble.

DXO sensor scores are next to useless, just ignore them and get raws.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 22, 2014 at 00:15 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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sdh: Users would be better served if the add-on flash were a flip-up design like the original sony NEX's. Nothing is as convenient as a built in flash obviously, but with the original NEX flash, you could leave it attached but flipped down and the camera would still fit into almost the same bag space.

Missed opportunity on what looks an otherwise very nice new camera.

Just use a small flashlight.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 22, 2014 at 00:06 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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mpix345: As amazing as the LX100 seems to be, I have to say that the more time passes the less interested I am. The lack of an onboard flash really is the killer for me, which I am now almost glad about, because if not for that fact I would have been willing to overlook the lack of touch screen and flip screen, which seem like ridiculous omissions from this level of camera.

Finally, that filter button just irks the hell out of me. Dedicated button for goofy filters? Seriously Panasonic? And not even an ND. SMH. And it's not even configurable to do something else, I don't think.

You tease us with this fast lens and generous sensor, but then fail to deliver some basic elements. Is that intentional, to create an easy path to the MKII version next year? I guess I hope so, but damn, I am tired of everyone playing that game.

olypan:

Try the dim head lamp thing, it works surprisingly well.

I really think cameras like this could have a built-in light, there's enough power to run an LED.

Consumer video cameras have had built-in lights for years.

Diffused, just for fill, maybe 3 settings, hi, med, low. I'd imagine high would mostly be used outdoors in the sun when trying to shoot into shadows.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 18:20 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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JohnEwing: This is getting confusing: X100 - RX100 - LX100. What is it about the letter X that gives it such a aura? Chuck Yaeger's aeroplane or vague memories of school algebra spring to mind. Oh aye, X-Men too, whatever that is.

Anyway, never mind all that. This looks like a little X-E1 and very nice that is too. I'd buy it if the missus would countenance me adding a 9th camera to my already expensive kit. Apart from the zoom it does rather cover what my X100 does, though.

Kim,

Fuji vastly improved video with the XE-2 and XT-1.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 17:59 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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Kim Letkeman: Every time I am tempted by the excellent features and wonderful lens, I remember how much fun it it to strap the diminutive GM1 onto the back of a really long lens like the 100-300 with the German tripod collar on it and have at it. The lack of shuttershock, the very high image quality, the amazing video ... the LX100 has a lot of that, but it just won't play nice with the long lenses :-)

Um, but the the Pana GX7 will, and the.

Also why must the tripod collar be German?

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 17:57 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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mpix345: As amazing as the LX100 seems to be, I have to say that the more time passes the less interested I am. The lack of an onboard flash really is the killer for me, which I am now almost glad about, because if not for that fact I would have been willing to overlook the lack of touch screen and flip screen, which seem like ridiculous omissions from this level of camera.

Finally, that filter button just irks the hell out of me. Dedicated button for goofy filters? Seriously Panasonic? And not even an ND. SMH. And it's not even configurable to do something else, I don't think.

You tease us with this fast lens and generous sensor, but then fail to deliver some basic elements. Is that intentional, to create an easy path to the MKII version next year? I guess I hope so, but damn, I am tired of everyone playing that game.

jhinkey:

This lack of a built in flash thing raises an interesting idea.

Why build a flash into a small camera, no small flash is ever going to have the reach of a big external flash, and no built-in flash is going to have the power to be a serious bounce flash (barring some significant change in batteries), but a built-in diffused LED is well within the capacity of batteries and LEDs, solves eyes closed because of blinking at the flash and red eye too. And such a light would be simple to turn off or on.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 17:44 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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mpix345: As amazing as the LX100 seems to be, I have to say that the more time passes the less interested I am. The lack of an onboard flash really is the killer for me, which I am now almost glad about, because if not for that fact I would have been willing to overlook the lack of touch screen and flip screen, which seem like ridiculous omissions from this level of camera.

Finally, that filter button just irks the hell out of me. Dedicated button for goofy filters? Seriously Panasonic? And not even an ND. SMH. And it's not even configurable to do something else, I don't think.

You tease us with this fast lens and generous sensor, but then fail to deliver some basic elements. Is that intentional, to create an easy path to the MKII version next year? I guess I hope so, but damn, I am tired of everyone playing that game.

T3:

Actually a headlamp works just fine. Many LED head lamps have a dim setting and diffusion filters. It's not something I'd pick indoors, or in a casual setting, but this was a scheduled photo shoot. And I was looking for a portable thing that unlike a flash would allow the city to be seen too.

Depends how bright the background is, but if you have the raw file and know how to use curves and an exposure brush, in say ACR 8, there are ways of avoiding the blown out bright background. (Right gets a little harder if the dimly lit person against the bright background has really dark skin.)

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 17:16 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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mpix345: As amazing as the LX100 seems to be, I have to say that the more time passes the less interested I am. The lack of an onboard flash really is the killer for me, which I am now almost glad about, because if not for that fact I would have been willing to overlook the lack of touch screen and flip screen, which seem like ridiculous omissions from this level of camera.

Finally, that filter button just irks the hell out of me. Dedicated button for goofy filters? Seriously Panasonic? And not even an ND. SMH. And it's not even configurable to do something else, I don't think.

You tease us with this fast lens and generous sensor, but then fail to deliver some basic elements. Is that intentional, to create an easy path to the MKII version next year? I guess I hope so, but damn, I am tired of everyone playing that game.

T3:

ISOs above 6400 often do negate the need for a flash since you can expose for a dark face against a bright background.

Now sure fill flash can be helpful, but the flash doesn't need to be built-in, it can even just be a flash light used in place of a studio spot.

So not having a built-in flash is no great loss.

Lens tubes can cast shadows onto closer subjects with the use of built-in flashes.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 16:16 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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mpix345: As amazing as the LX100 seems to be, I have to say that the more time passes the less interested I am. The lack of an onboard flash really is the killer for me, which I am now almost glad about, because if not for that fact I would have been willing to overlook the lack of touch screen and flip screen, which seem like ridiculous omissions from this level of camera.

Finally, that filter button just irks the hell out of me. Dedicated button for goofy filters? Seriously Panasonic? And not even an ND. SMH. And it's not even configurable to do something else, I don't think.

You tease us with this fast lens and generous sensor, but then fail to deliver some basic elements. Is that intentional, to create an easy path to the MKII version next year? I guess I hope so, but damn, I am tired of everyone playing that game.

mpix345:

Well since you asked: Actually you can now just use a low-powered flash light in many cases for fill. (I did it with an LED head lamp once--shooting at night on a famous bridge, so as to get the faces and also the city skyline. Not really possible with a flash.)

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 16:11 UTC
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Jefftan: I really wonder how camera company do business in the film old days when cameras are used for ages somtimes decades

nowadays use a camera maybe just 3 years old feel strange at least to some. To me I will only upgrade if new camera provide real advancement.

I am still evaluating whether APS-C move to 24MP from 16MP is real advancement

Jefftan:

Well lenses.

APSC 16MP upto 24MP, well there be a reason Fuji and Leica have stuck with that 16MP Sony sensor.

There are some 20MP examples floating around, from both Sony and Samsung.

I like that Toshiba 24MP sensor in the Nikon D7100.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 15:16 UTC
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jtan163: One important factor that has been ignored is cost and the effect that this may have on the professional photographer.

Death of P&S and I think the massive decline in sales on consumer DSLRs and the ubiquity in phone cameras has increased innovation and the spec of DSLRs, while reducing (I think we're just starting to see it ) the artificial differentiation oin a given company's DSLR/MILC ranges.

In return DSLRs/MILC makers are wanting to charge premiums.
In other words the camera industry seems to be returning to the days where cameras where more expensive.

This is likely good a for pros.
It increases the barrier to entry. (A D7100 or a D750 with a couple of decent lenses and strobe is way more costly than a D3300 and kit lens).
It wont ever return to the point where pros were when you had to pay for film and printing, but it will reduce the competition and maybe increase the market a bit, especially at the lower end of the pro market.

There's been a massive decline in the sales of consumer DSLRs?

Um, I see dozens a day on the street.

And look if you bought a consumer grade DSLR in 2004 and replaced it in 2009, there's no great reason to replace the 2009 model unless you want some better high ISO performance.

In other words, like film era SLRs, DSLRs remain perfectly useful, particularly as still cameras, for years--though not the 25 years of a film SLR.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 15:01 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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l_d_allan: Looks very interesting.

To me, the lens cap and also a decent lens hood should be included.

It does appear to have too much depth to be even remotely pocket-able, which doesn't seem currently possible with sensors larger than 1".

The grip could have been larger to improve handling, and allow a somewhat larger battery for longer life.

Coolpix A and GR, too pocketable APSC cameras. Right neither has a zoom lens.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 14:10 UTC
On Hands-on with Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX100 article (313 comments in total)
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mpix345: As amazing as the LX100 seems to be, I have to say that the more time passes the less interested I am. The lack of an onboard flash really is the killer for me, which I am now almost glad about, because if not for that fact I would have been willing to overlook the lack of touch screen and flip screen, which seem like ridiculous omissions from this level of camera.

Finally, that filter button just irks the hell out of me. Dedicated button for goofy filters? Seriously Panasonic? And not even an ND. SMH. And it's not even configurable to do something else, I don't think.

You tease us with this fast lens and generous sensor, but then fail to deliver some basic elements. Is that intentional, to create an easy path to the MKII version next year? I guess I hope so, but damn, I am tired of everyone playing that game.

mpix345:

Built in flashes were helpful when the top ISO for a digital camera was 200, then as the years progressed (the last 12) APSC sensors became useable at ISO 3200 (today in late 2014) and some full frame sensors are nearly noise free at ISO 26,800 (Nikon Df).

With the passing of time smaller sensored cameras have also improved. Current m4/3s sensors can be shot at ISO 3200 (raw) without trouble.

All of this means that a flash of any type is less and less important.

Right flashes can be useful for fill, but in the case of this Panasonic a I'd bet a built in flash could cause a shadow of the extended lens body to be cast when shooting 4 or 5 feet away from the subject.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 14:05 UTC
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webber15: For many who seem not to understand,,,the article is about the death of bottom end compacts,,usually with "pinhead sensors" and that has spawned enthusiast compacts (which is good for us) such as shown in the article...but...over the years they have had there uses for me,,as a birder I used to digiscope and a little pinhead sensored panny did me good service for a couple of years (and many others) in this way,,in fact had more"reach" than my mate could get with using his canon dslr and sigma 500mm f4.5...before u ask/point out,,,no,,,he could not crop to match.....

It doesn't help that a highend, raw shooting, Fuji P&S is photo #1.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 00:35 UTC
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JMCO: But these advances will mean nothing unless cameras can link to iOS and smart phones + wi-fi easily. At this point, for consumers, the key is not the camera tech but the social tech.
Will Nikon, Sony, Canon, and others get this in time?

Which iOS devices shoot and edit and extract raw again, in Sept 2014?

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 00:32 UTC
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Paul Ennis: This article paints a very positive picture, but I really think it's perspective is way off. The first line in the G7x preview speaks volumes "For the last two years, the only enthusiast compact with a large sensor you could buy says 'Sony' on the front."

Canon and Nikon have sat by and watched their P&S camera market disappear and have waited until it's too late to do anything about it. Canon should have lunched this camera 3 years ago, when they were releasing £300 compact cameras with IQ only slightly better than a smartphone. I own a S95...it is just nowhere good enough for a £300 camera.

Nearly £600 for a G7x? That is just too much money to keep on you when your out and about, so I'll stick with what I've got...Smartphone and 5D3.

In the words of the song "Pointless to walk when it's past time to run". Canon/Nikon: You need to start firing fat old men in suits who have been holding back innovation for the last 5 years and get with the now.

But unlike almost all smart phone cameras, the Canon S95 shoots raw, has an optical zoom, has real manual control, and still has a bigger sensor than most all phone cameras.

The S95s or Fuji X20 (pictured) aren't going to disappear entirely, the $150 1/3" sensored jpeg only, no manual control cameras will/have really started to go away.

What may push the S95s and LX7s and XZ2s, out of existence will be small cameras with manual controls, raw, and much bigger sensors, like the RX100III or this new Canon, but they're more expensive for now.

Direct link | Posted on Sep 21, 2014 at 00:25 UTC
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