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On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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Yanko Kitanov: 1. Poor jpg color rendition
2. Poor lens performance, especially in the corners...btw it has very familiar distortion pattern...:)
3. Color banding at ISO 3200

Yanko Kitanov:

I said not a peep about the pricing of the lenses.

In the 3200 ISO DNGs I've shot, I see a tiny bit of the cyan magenta blotching--typical for a Sony sensor. Similar to other cameras using this sensor.

You can't know if this banding problem isn't compounded by the fact of jpegs, if you don't have raws as a baseline.

Checked my Fuji XT1 raws shot in very similar lighting to my Leica T DNGs, both ISO 3200, and the Fuji has a bit of the deep shadow blotching, similar to the Leica, but the Fuji has a bit less grain--though the Fuji's images aren't as sharp.

So with actual raws, there are minor differences between cameras using this sensor. I suspect the Leica's lens is sharper--I used the 23mm F/2.0 and the Fuji had the kit zoom mounted.

In fact, it's not a good idea to go with jpegs. And in my ISO 3200 DNG examples, there's nothing like "colour banding", even in deep shadow.

I looked at my 12,800 and I see Sony cyan/magenta blotches, but zero bands, again in shadow.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 11, 2014 at 12:52 UTC
On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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Yanko Kitanov: 1. Poor jpg color rendition
2. Poor lens performance, especially in the corners...btw it has very familiar distortion pattern...:)
3. Color banding at ISO 3200

"3. Color banding at ISO 3200", why would anybody go with jpgs at that ISO?

There's more than one lens.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 22:31 UTC
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jtan163: Do people really think these changes are aimed primarily at camera phones?

I more wonder if Google is aiming for more "real" cameras in the medium (or perhaps even short term).

Using cheaper opensourced OS might be a really easy way to reduce costs.
Yeah your OS looks like everyone else's but you can still add extra features, either in the OS itself or as apps.

Juandante:

Android in a camera remains a bad idea. See the various Samsung Galaxy camera examples as to why.

Re: Android phones and tablets, today in 2014, one can not always remove crapware--so one is forced to root the system--a process which raises all sorts of other potential problems.

I suggest you look into Android systems further before making "easy" suggestions about solutions that mostly won't work.

I stand by what I wrote a week ago, above.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 22:17 UTC
On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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lacikuss: Man, I've never seen such bad colors.

Faces look like cadavers or zombies.

Mike FL:

If you want to mount that, I assume, 50mm Leica R F/1.4 on a Nikon APSC DSLR or a Pentax DSLR, there's this guy in Spain making and selling conversion kits.

http://leitax.com/

I'm pretty sure another company makes a conversion kit for mounting R lenses on Canon SLRs.

With some FF DSLRs you have to be careful about the mirror swinging up and clearing the back of some of the R lenses.

I like my LX5's lens.

I think, as a general rule, modern M lenses are considered even better than good R lenses.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 17:42 UTC
On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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lacikuss: Man, I've never seen such bad colors.

Faces look like cadavers or zombies.

M:

I don't doubt the problems with WB, but DPR didn't post DNGs.

I guess I deleted the jpegs the T forced me to shoot when I tried out the 23mm lens. So I can't look at my jpegs. (One can't shoot only DNG with the body.)

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 16:39 UTC
On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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Mike FL: By looking the samples, I do not think the IQ will be any better than the cheapest Fuji with same size of sensor in low-light/High-ISO, namely the $450 Fuji X-A1.

BTW, the $450 Fuji X-A1 includes (a very useful) 24-75mm equivalent lens.

Get some DNGs before drawing any conclusions.

I'll agree that the DNGs I shot with the 23mm lens aren't extraordinary, but they're still very good.

That Fuji likely uses exactly the same sensor.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 16:11 UTC
On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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lacikuss: Man, I've never seen such bad colors.

Faces look like cadavers or zombies.

jpegs.

Find some raws.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 16:07 UTC
On Quick Review: That Steady Thing article (54 comments in total)
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ProfHankD: As a Whovian, I certainly can understand why adding a Dalek-like pair of arms to a wibbily wobbly monopod makes sense to a British guy. I don't think it will exterminate many light tripods.... ;-)

ProfHankD:

I think it's for those who carry a monopod, but occasionally need the 3 points of a tripod.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 15:19 UTC
On Blast from the past: Photographing steam locomotives article (72 comments in total)
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Dave Deacon: Keep thinking Portillo will appear in one of the steam pics. For anyone from outside the UK who likes steam trains and the history of them, talke look on Amazon for the BBC's Great British Railway Journeys. Michael Portillo is a historian-politician and does a great series using George Bradshaw's guides of Britain and the Continent. Like much else in the world today, this little island invented it...

david vella:

Claiming irony to distract from the fact that you defended a very stupid comment by the OP doesn't do your case much good.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 14:09 UTC
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jtan163: Do people really think these changes are aimed primarily at camera phones?

I more wonder if Google is aiming for more "real" cameras in the medium (or perhaps even short term).

Using cheaper opensourced OS might be a really easy way to reduce costs.
Yeah your OS looks like everyone else's but you can still add extra features, either in the OS itself or as apps.

jtan163:

Then I have to go through the head ache of rooting the machine and rebuilding the features. When I buy a Mac or a highend Windows computer, they're simply not loaded with crapware.

Same is true of an iPhone.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 14:07 UTC
On Nikon 1 V3 stock shortage prompts official apology article (275 comments in total)
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Marty4650: Nikon has accomplished the seemingly impossible.

They are selling a toy camera for the same price as the high end Nikon D7100, and now they have a waiting list and irate customers who have back orders!

You gotta give Nikon a lot of credit for this. I know I am impressed.

completelyrandomstuff:

Actually to match the build quality of a Mac with a Windows computer, one pretty much needs to spend as much money on the Windows computer.

10 years ago you'd have had a point.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 13:52 UTC
On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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DStudio: Are my eyes too tired, or is the late afternoon glare too much on my monitor (even though I closed the semi-opaque shade)?

I came here to compliment Leica. I wanted to use them as an example of excellence, despite pedestrian specifications. But I just don't see it. I can't give them that compliment. In fact, what I have to say is they're not Fuji. And they're certainly not Zeiss Touit. To say Leica is in a class far below is an insult, but unfortunately it's true in this case!

Oh, no, I hope I wake up tomorrow and find it was all a bad dream - that with fresh eyes and soft morning light it's truly a fantastic lens.

I certainly hope so ...

DStudio:

And that's the point you made image quality statements without ever seeing what the camera can do, since this camera most assuredly does shoot raw.

So get some DNGs and then see if you like, or dislike, the results.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 13:50 UTC
On Quick Review: That Steady Thing article (54 comments in total)
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p5freak: So, you are turning a monopod in a tripod. Where is the difference to a (lightweight and small) tripod ?

See Ishpuini below.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 13:25 UTC
On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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DStudio: Are my eyes too tired, or is the late afternoon glare too much on my monitor (even though I closed the semi-opaque shade)?

I came here to compliment Leica. I wanted to use them as an example of excellence, despite pedestrian specifications. But I just don't see it. I can't give them that compliment. In fact, what I have to say is they're not Fuji. And they're certainly not Zeiss Touit. To say Leica is in a class far below is an insult, but unfortunately it's true in this case!

Oh, no, I hope I wake up tomorrow and find it was all a bad dream - that with fresh eyes and soft morning light it's truly a fantastic lens.

I certainly hope so ...

DStudio:

Because I use peelu powder. I don't think I've used conventional commercial tooth paste in 20 years. Once and a while I'll use mega-hydrate from a capsule I've opened, you can look that up.

I follow American football less than I follow soccer, and follow soccer not at all. And don't ever follow Rugby. (Just covering all the football bases.)

You still haven't answered my question about the DNGs (raws) you've looked at.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 00:18 UTC
On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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Tommygun45: Is there a camera made in the past two years by Sony, Fuji, or hell, Samsung priced between $500 and $1000 that this thing out performs? I don't understand it. This camera is why this world is going to implode. On this board you will have people who crap on the mediocre performance of this insanely priced camera, and then there will be those who make fun of those people because they "can't afford it." Right. The problem is, those who can afford it, buy it because it is the most expensive mirrorless system there is, or, because its a Leica, and that's it. This schism is repeated here, and throughout the rest of society. Usually it leads to revolts and revolutions. I bet Marie Antoinette would have had a Leica T. Nothing like pricing an 18-56 3.5-5.6 lens for $2,200 bucks! AHH!?!?!

Well people buy Leica digital cameras for the lenses. It’s also one of the reasons to buy Panasonic m4/3s cameras–or Olympus.
And this Leica T has an excellent Sony sensor.

I’ve used the 23mm Leica T lens and this T body and it’s optically up to anything from Fuji for X mirrorless or the various SonyZeiss and Zeiss lenses for the Nex system. Don’t know about the Sigmas. And good Fuji and SonyZeiss lenses are not cheap–not this expensive though.

Now the optically best Samsung NX lenses do indeed look better than this 23mm Leica, but there’s no excellent Samsung NX 23mm lens.

So yes you have a point, but there are real draws to this system, particularly if Leica figures out how to improve the already good lenses. (The X-Vario’s lens is near extraordinary, so that goal may be attainable with these T lenses, or future T lenses.)

Direct link | Posted on Jul 10, 2014 at 00:11 UTC
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munro harrap: I think it is better to await a full review with timings battery life and actual files you can download (from Sigma?) before lending them a thousand dollars!!!
They can make an absolute fortune this way investing your loan to them- and it costs them not a penny.

I had a DP2M. Great lens, very nice, but an hours battery life is a joke. Yes with its tiny shutter lag and fast AF it should have taken on and beaten the Nex7.

Here again you are forced to buy three cameras rather than one camera and three lenses, AND you have to buy three separate viewfinders as well, because if the hi-resw screen is as wobbly as the DP1,2, and 3s were, it is useless except for tripod mounted stills.

You can buy a NEX and those same lenses for it and no more worries!!! And no more loans to Sigma. The lenses are just fine on a NEX, bar the 19mm (DP1) which is only OKish stopped well down.No better than the Nex kit lens... check DXO if disbelieving...

munro harrap:

Sigma just tried putting the battery bulge elsewhere; seems like fine idea to me. If I flip my Canon G2 upside down and face the lens toward me, my thumb rests comfortably against the grip. So very similar to how this Sigma body will leave a place for one's thumb.

I'll be interested to see raws from this camera, provided Sigma has worked out raw extraction well, and that may be something that will take more that one variation of whatever the new Sigma Pro Photo software is called--V6?

I'm more intrigued to see this sensor in a DSLR with a reasonably fast buffer--say 2FPS raw for 15 seconds total, with only then another 10 seconds of writing time before someone can shoot again.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 9, 2014 at 16:46 UTC
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munro harrap: I think it is better to await a full review with timings battery life and actual files you can download (from Sigma?) before lending them a thousand dollars!!!
They can make an absolute fortune this way investing your loan to them- and it costs them not a penny.

I had a DP2M. Great lens, very nice, but an hours battery life is a joke. Yes with its tiny shutter lag and fast AF it should have taken on and beaten the Nex7.

Here again you are forced to buy three cameras rather than one camera and three lenses, AND you have to buy three separate viewfinders as well, because if the hi-resw screen is as wobbly as the DP1,2, and 3s were, it is useless except for tripod mounted stills.

You can buy a NEX and those same lenses for it and no more worries!!! And no more loans to Sigma. The lenses are just fine on a NEX, bar the 19mm (DP1) which is only OKish stopped well down.No better than the Nex kit lens... check DXO if disbelieving...

munro harrap:

But the money is likely just on hold at the credit card, so not completely run. Well that's how normal rentals run for digi-cams. So one would have to borrow against that credit, but the credit will disappear in 2 weeks.

And Sigma would have a marketing disaster on its hands if it didn't immediately drop the hold once the camera is returned to Sigma complete and in good condition--and those things are easy enough to check. So the idea of hold on to this money for weeks to make money doesn't work. Unlike your example no one from Sigma could argue the item hadn't been returned or the transaction will take days.

If the Leica OVFs for the Sigma DP series don't line up to your liking--not that OVFs ever really line up perfectly--here be an after market EVF for Sigma DP cameras--battery required:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/07/08/quirky-third-party-evf-for-sigmas-dp-series-cameras-hooks-up-via-usb-port

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Direct link | Posted on Jul 9, 2014 at 16:42 UTC
On Blast from the past: Photographing steam locomotives article (72 comments in total)
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Dave Deacon: Keep thinking Portillo will appear in one of the steam pics. For anyone from outside the UK who likes steam trains and the history of them, talke look on Amazon for the BBC's Great British Railway Journeys. Michael Portillo is a historian-politician and does a great series using George Bradshaw's guides of Britain and the Continent. Like much else in the world today, this little island invented it...

david vella:

It's kind of biased of you to imply that bias against the UK is somehow inherent in the US.

You defended a foolish statement. And tried to pettifog out of it.

Invention, ancient and modern, has occurred all over the world, outside of both the UK and US.

Both flash memory and lithium ion batteries came from Japan, those are just examples without which digital photography, powertools, and mobile phones and computers of the last 20 years would be utterly different and much more limited.

You can use I. R. however you want. At this website there would be two obvious things that those letters abbreviate, neither is industrial revolution.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 9, 2014 at 16:16 UTC
On Blast from the past: Photographing steam locomotives article (72 comments in total)
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Dave Deacon: Keep thinking Portillo will appear in one of the steam pics. For anyone from outside the UK who likes steam trains and the history of them, talke look on Amazon for the BBC's Great British Railway Journeys. Michael Portillo is a historian-politician and does a great series using George Bradshaw's guides of Britain and the Continent. Like much else in the world today, this little island invented it...

david vella:

In the context of this website, “IR” is first an abbreviation for infra-red, then Imaging-Resource.

I’m from the US.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 9, 2014 at 13:20 UTC
On Leica T Typ 701 real-world samples gallery updated article (86 comments in total)
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AngryCorgi: Leica seems to have stumbled toward the path labeled "Hassleblad".

T3:

I've owned/used extraordinary M lenses and I've used the T 23mm lens, good M lenses are optically a good bit better. Now, I've not used the small zoom for the T system.

And I like the somewhat different zoom on the X Vario.

This does NOT mean the T system 23mm lens is a disaster, just that there are optically better Leica lenses, including some PanaLeica m4/3s lenses.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 9, 2014 at 00:11 UTC
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