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On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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QuarryCat: talking about Zeiss OTUS -
if we talk about the best lenses in the market -
but what about Leica Summilux?

QC,

Why. I explained.

The A7RII has some promise, but still no curved microlens array in the plane of the sensor.

You didn't say anything about the Fuji APSC mirrorless system, but APSC helps a bit, hides the corner problems.

It's still impossible to mount Leica M lenses on DSLRs.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 2, 2015 at 12:01 UTC
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Mssimo: Canons nightmare day will soon be upon us. All DXO testing has been done, DXOmark rating inbound. Will it score better than DXO ONE camera at 85?. Any predictions for 1: Overall score 2: Portrait/Color Depth 3: Landscape/Dynamic Range and 4:Sports/Low-Light?

Here is my..
1: 85
2: 24.8
3: 11.9 Evs
4: 2676

DXO sensor scores are basically useless.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 2, 2015 at 00:16 UTC
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winkalman: I'd love to see Hasselblad pull this off; we've lost too many of the old, stalwart camera brands as it is. Still, it's hard to imagine a niche they would fit in. Maybe a digital Xpan, a digital TLR, or a proper digital MF rangefinder? Despite their recent blunders I think Hasselblad could still put out a quality product, even if they had to buddy up with Fuji or Cosina to actually build it.

Winkalman,

Do you understand that there was a Fuji version of the H medium format backs? So Fuji made/makes those cameras and lenses.

And completely unlike Foxccon, Fuji makes cameras and sells them to the public.

Sorry the XPan is a Fuji, though unlike digital, it appears Hasselblad had some engineering input.

FYI, Intel makes CPUs for Dell, and Apple, etc. Samsung and LG screens, Hynix makes RAM, Seagate drives, Toshiba SSDs, and Foxconn builds little. Just so you're clear since you seem confused about what Foxconn does. Unlike Fuji, Foxconn doesn't really engineer or build the computers, or their most important parts. And the motherboards that Foxconn does build are designed by others, Dell, HP, Apple, etc.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 1, 2015 at 21:35 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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QuarryCat: talking about Zeiss OTUS -
if we talk about the best lenses in the market -
but what about Leica Summilux?

So, that's one limited Sony series.

What if you don't want a Sony FE, or E, mount body? Also the Sony mirrorless bodies don't have a curved microlens array in the sensor plane, unlike the Leica M bodies.

Technically it is impossible to use Leica M lenses on Sony A series DSLRs. There should be a way to mount used Leica R lenses on say the A77II.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 1, 2015 at 21:20 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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pshummer: I'm glad to know that you included Nikon 85 f1.8G for this test. For what is worth, this lens has a lot of value but now I can see the difference as compared to much more expensive Zeiss lens. It's also interesting to note that Zeiss moved its production to Japan and that you see "made in Japan" on the lens. They say that they had to do it because of a high production cost in Germany and Japan is the only other country in the world that can produce the lens up to Zeiss standard.

Cosina has been making camera lenses in Japan for Zeiss for years.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 1, 2015 at 16:26 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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QuarryCat: talking about Zeiss OTUS -
if we talk about the best lenses in the market -
but what about Leica Summilux?

Can't exactly mount new Leica Summiluxes on a DSLR.

Direct link | Posted on Jul 1, 2015 at 15:57 UTC
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Gediminas 8: "one of the most successful commercial pop stars of all time"

This "of all time" is really tiring.

Gear:

Technically, she has played with the Stones.

But no she's a safe pop girl. (Not even like Elvis, making black music safish of white people.)

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 21:26 UTC
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Stu 5: The actual contract for those who have not seen it:

http://petapixel.com/2015/06/23/taylor-swift-photo-contract-break-our-rules-and-we-can-break-your-gear/

Thanks, that's the current, 2015, contract.

But Sheldon's complaint started with a contract from 2011.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 21:22 UTC
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photophile: wow - I must have been on another planet these past few...decades. I'd like to think I have my finger on contemporary popular culture - but Taylor Swift - apparently "one of the most successful commercial pop stars of all time " appears to have slipped my radar. Maybe its because i don't listen to radio anymore. Do radio stations still compile the Top 40 every week ? Or is it all downloads nowadays ?

Anyway - wonder what became of pop stars from my own youth - Queen, The Police, Blondie....

She's just the current safe pop girl, but she does write her own trite songs.

She's been in the tabloids for years, if you've missed her songs.

Blondie is performing again, and Sting has been doing his own shows for years.

It's beyond downloads to streaming.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 21:19 UTC
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harveysteeves: so, interesting that now Taylor's new album is going to be exclusively on Apple … is that smell a rat?

Where did you read that?

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 21:16 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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photominion: Can someone tell me how it is that people are willing to spend 3'000-4'000 $ for a camera body that is technically obsolete after 2 years and are NOT ever going to be willing to spend 4 grand on a lens that will last them 10 to 20 years without it being qualitatively surpassed by any other in that time span?

Might be the same thing with ppl spending 4 grand on a flat screen Tv and then buying a 200$ "home theater surround system" even though audio components will last 20 years whereas the Tv value drops 50% per year..

Smiler:

Zooms almost always introduce other problems and expenses.

Generally if you can't compose the image correctly with the lens you have, you should be using another lens of fixed focal length.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 20:35 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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photominion: Can someone tell me how it is that people are willing to spend 3'000-4'000 $ for a camera body that is technically obsolete after 2 years and are NOT ever going to be willing to spend 4 grand on a lens that will last them 10 to 20 years without it being qualitatively surpassed by any other in that time span?

Might be the same thing with ppl spending 4 grand on a flat screen Tv and then buying a 200$ "home theater surround system" even though audio components will last 20 years whereas the Tv value drops 50% per year..

Tie:

The lens is significantly better than a $400 lens. Better than the Canikon $1500 lenses too.

There's no compelling reason to buy say a 5DS over a 5DII.
The real reasons to buy new cameras are better higher ISOs, better AF and faster frame rates, and sometimes video. Unless you print huge, pixels were never that important beyond about 10MP.

DXO lens scores can tell if a lens is good or not, but can't really see beyond that. I suggest using the lenses and ignoring DXO.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 18:17 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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Per Inge Oestmoen: This test shows very clearly that the Zeiss Otus 85 mm is really superior. Its performance is incomparably superior to that of the less expensive Nikon and Canon 85 mm lenses.

High performance at full aperture is a very important quality. Therefore the test shows that even if you may not get ten times better performance, you get much better performance if you pay much more.

It would be even more relevant to see the Zeiss Otus 85mm 14 compared against the Canon EF 85mm 1.2 and the Nikkor 85mm 1.4. Such a comparison would likely show much less difference, so that the more expensive Canon and Nikon offerings are very good choices for those who want high performance.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/9669965965/otus-readings-the-zeiss-85-f-1-4-otus-comparison

Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway

The Nikon 85mm f/1.4 and the Canon 50m f/1.2 don't have the colour of the Zeiss Otuses, or other optically good Zeisses for that matter,

Though that Canon is good bit better than the Nikon.

(The Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 is pretty good for colour, and it looks like Nikon is starting to learn some things with its APSC kitzooms.)

Yes, I've tried all three, but not the 85mm f/1.2 Canon.

All are plenty sharp.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 18:11 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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Gabor Szantai: Should we expect a Sigma 85/1.4 ART with autofocus what delivers the 98% of the Otus' quality for the one-third of the Zeiss' price?

Gabor Szantai:

PhotoShop, CaptureOne, etc don't allow you to add the better colour and light that a good Zeiss has. And this is easy to see. Sigma Art lenses are certainly an improvement over better Canikon lenses, but Sigma has a way to go.

Better lens examples from Fuji, Olympus and Samsung also surpass Canikon.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 14:08 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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BobYIL: A big smoooch on my $500 85/1.8G for not being shy to stand against a reference lens costing 9-times as much..

That Nikon is a 1.8 lens, you'd have to compare the price of a 1.4 lens from Nikon. And the 85mm f/1.4 Nikon is about a third of the price of the Zeiss, not a ninth.

It's easier to make slower lenses optically good.

And for colour Nikon isn't close to Zeiss, even less sharp Zeisses.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 11:55 UTC
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MAC: Colors and skin tones look off. Noise is 3 stops behind 6d. Expensive for what it is.

MAC:

You're in luck the 6D, body only, is on sale this week at B+H for about 1400usd, but you'd need a lens.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 03:07 UTC
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MAC: Colors and skin tones look off. Noise is 3 stops behind 6d. Expensive for what it is.

MAC:

No kidding. One is a full framed DSLR with fewer pixels.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 02:09 UTC
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MAC: Colors and skin tones look off. Noise is 3 stops behind 6d. Expensive for what it is.

behind the 6D?

Direct link | Posted on Jun 30, 2015 at 01:28 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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GotoDengo: Would've been interesting to see how each combo performed at, say, f2.8. Honestly, nobody spends this kind of money on an 85mm lens to shoot at 5.6, so that's neither here nor there. And few shoot wide open with the CaNikon options, either, as they're not known to be especially good wide open. F2.2 to f2.8, though, I would've liked to see.

The 85mm Otus open to f/2.0 on the 5DS was excellent when I tried it last week.

Albeit the background occupies the edge zone in my samples, so no part of the edge of the frame is in focus to check for sharpness.

I also shot the 50mm f/1.2 Canon L on the 5DS, and that lens seemed a bit sharper at f/2.2, but the Zeiss had better colour. And I wasn't testing either lens for sharpness all the way across the image.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 29, 2015 at 23:22 UTC
On Otus Readings: the Zeiss 85 F1.4 Otus Comparison article (214 comments in total)
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biza43: I find these comparisons and tests pointless, really... Nobody buys an Otus because it performs great stopped down... people buy this sort of lenses because they want wide open no-compromise performance.

If all you want is to shoot f5.6, then don't buy the Otus, buy any 85 f1.8.

Also, high res sensors demand the best from lenses and from photographers, so you should not expect budget lenses to perform well wide open with such cameras.

Rishi,

It's not a pointless test, but the DPR studio scene doesn't really show up one of the significant strengths of the Otus--almost any decent Zeiss really.

No, I don't know how to make a repeatable test that would.

Direct link | Posted on Jun 29, 2015 at 20:42 UTC
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