luxor2: Real leica purists don't have to use the shutter, they expose using a lens cap like the old timey cameras. A shutterless Leica would be even quieter, Typ 263?
" who would think one can take off and replace a lens cap in 1/250th of a second?"
Indeed who would?
You might be able to pivot a cover open an closed that quickly, but you'd risk vibrating the body of the camera.
fedway: Let's say you have an MBA from a top U.S. school and you are now working for Samsung strategic planning. Your company is No. 1 globally in smartphones and No. 1 globally in TVs but are under tough competition from the likes of Apple, LG, Sony, Panasonic, Lenovo, Huawei and a host of growing Chinese and other Asian competitors. Smartphones and TVs are hugely important markets now and in the future. Your company is also in the camera business where industry sales have been shrinking for several years and you are No. 6 or 7. What would you recommend?
Typical US B-school nonsense.
Most really successful US companies that bring new things or services to market (so not say Berkshire-Hathaway which isn't really about making new things) aren't run by B-school idiots.
And if the boss went to business school, it was much later after finishing something like an engineering PhD.
Mike FL: Samsung should know better that the camera market is all about dog eats dog.
Soon after NX1 was released, SONY reduced A7's price to $899 while Samsung had no reaction but still set NX1's street price 50% of higher than A7.
Now what? Basically, SONY eats Samsung alive.
SONY is a killer while Samsung is too weak to fight.
The A7's shutter is much too loud, it doesn't shoot 4K.
And it has lossy raws.
The Sony A7 has nothing on the Samsung NX1's AF.
Oh, I see someone beat me to half these points.
Michael Ma: It could be they are going full frame and only full frame. Sony pretty much ditched all their cropped sensor mirrorless and is having amazing success with the full frame A7 series. They probably want to compete with Sony, not Canon or Nikon.
For all we know, Samsung may see the NX1 as mission accomplished and as the green light they've been looking for to go full frame. They were awarded the camera of the year in many categories.
People are plenty convinced by Sony's full framed models, now that V2 is out, fixing the lossy raws in the A7RII helps, and so does the Canon adapter from MetaBones.
The good A7 bodies remain expensive.
Timmbits: $5K is less expensive? not what I expected.if it had another name on it, it would cost 1/10th that.
The M mount is public domain.
And by the way the Epson R-D1 was around $2300 for the body only in 2004/5. That was APSC.
petr marek: It´s very sad... With NX1 Samsung was finally born as a serious company for photo/videographers. And this baby with impressively fast evolution is killed before maturity...Talented creative team of scientists and designers finally created in NX1 perfect photo/video camera, for me the best on consumer market. And a team of marketing "experts" is giving it up without even giving it proper chance instead of supporting their own child. Development was outstanding but marketing team simply fail to sell it. And this faulty team is giving it up for all company.It´s a decision, which says verdict: Samsung doesn´t have the balls of self-confidence, it has marketing-confidence instead. What we can expect with this attitude? Camera for Homer Simpson?
At least in the USA, the NX1 received good notice.
It isn't widely on display.
I think you mean "discontinued in Europe".
ThatCamFan: "In the UK, we have seen a gradual and sustained decline in demand for standalone digital cameras and camcorders and related accessories"
short realistic translation: nobody wanted cameras running android and only 2 zoom lenses with a 2.8
I checked my files, and of the two 35mm SonyZeisses, I only have examples (lossy) shot with the f/2.8 35mm SonyZeiss. And the f/2.8 35mm isn't real special.
I think that SonyZeiss 55 really good, and I look forward to getting more of my own 14 bit raws with it.
"Rather, bokeh, contrast and color rendition." Right.
And that SonyZeiss 55mm is very good. The 85mm Zeiss Batis is even better. That Zeiss 85 would be hard to tell apart from the Samsung 85.
You destroyed your claims by saying:
"Sorry but you sounds like uneducated person here of course so far i never tested all the lenses that i'm talking about and do a comparison with NX 85mm F1.4."
What you've told me here, picking through not strong English, is that you've never tried the 85mm NX lens.
So I really don't care what you claim about the SonyZeiss you happen to have in comparison to that NX lens.
The 35mm SonyZeiss isn't particularly special, unless that's some new variation.
It is very foolish to simply go with data from test charts, it show a real lack of interest in lenses on your part.
Having owned and used and rented some of the best lenses ever made: specifically an f/1.0 Noctilux, and an M 75mm f/1.4.
Gesture: Makes one wonder how many NX1 were built. 1K? 5K?
More than 5,000 worldwide.
Where did I say Samsung is benevolent?
Still not sure the camera line is being shut down, though clearly changes are underway.
I barely own any Samsung gear anymore, and as long as it functions why would it be worthless? It will still take good still photos for years, just like my 2001 Canon G2.
john494: 16 MP is more than enough for me but, going to 20-24 MP wouldn't hurt. 4K video is not really needed, but couldn't hurt. Another stop in ISO performance, is always nice. But you know what I would really like to see? AUTOFOCUS that works!!! The group AF in the D4S is nice, but nice for sports and action. What about portraits, weddings, etc where we have to aim that single point AF on an eyeball. Canon nailed this on the 1DX, where it's fast, locks and stays locked on. Waiting for Nikon to catch up with this. Would definitely upgrade the D4 and the D4S if they pull it off on the D5. Sony claims they got technology that autofocuses in complete darkness, (I think -4EV) would love to see that happen with Nikon D5 also.
The D750 has an excellent buffer, and has excellent AF.
That's a better wedding camera if seeing pupils is of import.
Low Budget Dave: There are certainly newer cameras, but there aren't many that are better. BSI APS-C with a boatload of MP? Check. 4K Video Recording at 24 fps? Check. High-density Tilt-Touchscreen Monitor? Check. XGA OLED Viewfinder? Check. Hybrid Autofocus with a boatload of Phase-Detection AF Points? Check. 15 fps with AF? Check. Smallish body with weatherproofing? Check.
I can't think of any other camera that checks those same boxes for anything less than double the price. Even the A7R2 falls short if you want touchscreen. Even the GH4 falls short if you want ASPC or BSI.
There are small fast lenses for the NX system. If recording audio with the built in mic, I'd wouldn't shoot video with some of them.
The 4K video from the NX1 is excellent, easily as good as that from the GH4, and better for high gain/ISO work.
Stick with cameras, at a loss, but make sure to buy Optron (the NX lens maker) since the best of those lenses are better than Canikon+Fuji lenses.
Don't assume Samsung will make money on cameras anytime soon, but the development of sensors and processors could lead somewhere very big.
Remember all the time that Samsung is also a huge industrial conglomerate with a nuclear reactor division, and aerospace divisions. So treat the camera/sensor division as this tiny research project that could turn up gold--remembering all the while that Intel started out as a RAM maker, and could easily have gone out of business in the 1970s.
And of course, most degrees from US business schoosl are about how to destroy companies, and make a buck on the way down, than about long term returns. Example that idiot Ballmer takes over for Gates at Microsoft and sets it on a really bad path.
Tim Cook isn't doing real well at Apple either, but yes, the iPhone 6 was a good bet.
ttran88: Rumors are Ricoh is buying Samsung imaging division. The two have had previous business relationships so this is no surprise.
But Ricoh is a big electronics company. And it builds things like sensors.
As far as I know Samsung's sensors are designed and made in Austin, Texas. So it is sort of separate, though of course then there are processors.
Zeisschen: You know your company has done a tremendous job when you read so many butthurt comments on dpreview section...
Kudos to Sony for being the biggest and most constant challenger and innovator in the camera market since 5 years! The camera world would be boring without you!
Sorry you don't get to redefine "troll" to mean someone who happens to challenge your preconceptions.
The fact remains that lossy raws from the A7II look washed out, a better lens improves things.
And now the non-lossy raws don't look washed out.
Sony took way too long to treat this seriously.
It is absolutely untrue that I go on about artifact problems with Sony compressed raws, say for example from the A7II.
You need to stop lying about the subject.
This may be what is confusing you: I’ve pointed out repeatedly that the compressed raws look washed out–better lenses sometimes help here. This is completely separate from the artifacts at contrast edges that some complain about.
All I can conclude is that you’ve not read my comments, or you’ve confused me with some other party.
I suggest instead of wasting time commenting in error that you look at raws from Sonys.
Banding issues are barely a problem with the say 200 Leica SL raws I shot.
You have lied repeatedly about what I claim.
And you've lied about what my experience has been.
Be happy with your lossy Sony raws, but don’t pretend to speak for me.