kryten61: Kickstarter = A way to sell unproven product to a sheep mentality.
Never in history have people lined up to be sold product with zero testing or proof of performance. Can you say LED Light Cube anyone? 1000's sold on kickstarter without even a rated light output! I think Kickstarter web pages remove peoples intelligence through some electronic means and remove their rationality.
Yes mate sheep mentality, personally I would rather touch, test, and read some proof of a products claims. Not into buying a light for example that says, hey I am amazing and I put out light, and I am the best and if you buy me now before I exist you will SAVE MONEY! lol
Way overpriced low output boxes with LED's inside that people bought without one real stat, Nowhere did they tell you how much output they put out in Flash mode. Ended up to be totally underpowered, but "Kickstarter" fever made people ignore common sense or questioning, to sign up an buy. Can someone tell me why when something is on Kickstarter, people forgo normal questioning of real stats?
Kickstarter = A way to sell unproven product to a sheep mentality.
JapanAntoine: Too bad Samsung are stopping their ILC camera business... the NX1 is indeed interesting, but it ends there...
Having managed Camera stores in the past, Salesmen, I have found will tend to be dismissive of products they are not familiar with, even to the point of putting a product down or "Why do you want to see that camera" This translated actually means. Please don't ask me about that camera as I am unsure of demonstrating it.Brand ambassadors in stores is the only way to break it down, get the guys in the store owning and using the gear. THEN the attitude changes. It a circle, I don't know it, I don't want to demo it, the sales are poor, lets not put it on display, so sales are NON existent. Then the store and sales guys will say, poor camera and poor sales. Samsung need to work to fix this, only they can break this down over time.
So I think your anger should be at Jessops? Ask them why they don't stock it?
So in reality, they could be just cutting back in an area that worked on UI, UX etc??? Sony closed one of their main lens factories 5 years ago. They still seem to make lenses and camera's?
Everlast66: I mostly agree with the awards, except maybe the NX1 for Innovation of the year.
Innovation means breaking with the past and coming up with totally new ways to do things, often with the risk to not fit into what people are used to or comfortable with. To push technology forward.
I believe the A7RII and even RX100IV are far more innovative than the NX1. the NX1 has a great new crop format sensor and powerful processor, but all in the good old DSLR form factor. Should I care if I use the NX1 or any of the excellent Canon/Nikon crop sensor DSLRs with the same form factor.
Actually right now I am having huge buyers remorse for owning the camera you accuse me of not owning, the A7RII. Two weeks in and the paint is coming off, must have rubbed up against my NX1!!! Argh, innovative new instant Old Patina paint finish, looks old after just a few uses. I wish Sony had not innovated on that one at my expense.
Good one, so if I add it into my profile that will validate my statement? Thanks for doubting my knowledge. Go and see the camera store review. He estimates the 4K FF output at about a real 2.5 K and I agree with him, Its soft and mushy. And I have verified it with my own A7RII. Thanks for the photography lesson although its not needed I can assure you. Lets be accurate, I wanted FF asthetics in 4K, That is not what is achieved. In Super 35 it res is closer to 4k. Having an output res that is 4K doesn't mean it is achieving this in actual resolution. The 5D was alway rated way below its quotes 1080P in actual resolving output. I am a fan of the Samsung, no doubt, I wanted to be fan of the Sony...But maybe not! One thing is being a fan of something cause it does what it promises, it another thing being a Fan because you invested in a "Team" and you start barracking.
I tell you what I wish Sony had innovated at with the A7RII, Try using something better than blackboard paint on your bodies!!!! One trip out with the A7RII trying really hard to keep it separate of my other gear in case I decide not to keep it, and get home and find the paint on the prism edge rubbed through to the metal. ARGH, This camera is a Alpha effort, from battery to OS to even paint. I had heard this about the new Sony's. A plastic lens hood will win in a fight with the new Sony. Really Unhappy! This from a Premium priced camera that sells for $4K in this country!!!!
JapanAntoine. Can you confirm that this was all of Samsung's whole camera development team? Maybe they have other development in Korea? What camera's was your friend working on? And if this is true, why are these people not talking about it? Have they signed NDA's? . It seems strange to close a whole area and have silence and just friends of friends quoting? I am not saying you are wrong, just would like some more information.
My Alpha 900 had FF sensor stabilising back in 2006 thanks to Minolta/Sony, So is this innovative nearly 10 years latter?
As I said, I have both camera's and the only thing 4K about the A7RII in FF is the number on the Dial. The output is much lower than 4K, It really is only 4K at super 35 and can you explain how this is better than the NX1? Even then the NX1 way out resolves it.
Largest EVF...Innovative? The viewfinder is good but it needs to be because the back screen is crap. You cannot shoot video in daylight on the back screen. It's broken!
Sounds more like a p*ssing competition, I keep hearing the word "Largest" :-)
Anyway, don't suppose it matters, the sony did not win the samsung did and the advantage that I have and that the guys at DPR have is they have extensively used both.
And i am asking you what is innovative about the camera's you have suggested? I own one of them and i don't see it? Is it innovative to have a screen you can't see in daylight to shoot video? or a one hour battery? I could go on.. What has sales got to do with it? Sales success was not a criteria? I assume they judged it on the merits of the camera? I reckon more people have bought their NX1's and kept them than A7RII people who have bought and sold as a percentage?
No camera has bought it all together like the NX1, try one and you may understand how, as they say in the comments. No other camera brings everything together in one camera where it all works really well. IBIS is a Minolta tech that Sony acquired in 2006 and now they put it in their latest camera, so how is that innovative suddenly in an award in 2015? As for focus, sorry but the samsung is the first large sensor camera to actually achieve a level of on sensor focus tracking that works reliably and hence is usable approaching DSLR performance. AF is at the core of modern camera's so this is a breakthrough, plus BSI sensor, etc etc I own both A7RII and NX1 and I totally get why the NX1 was their choice.
Yes it's a problem and I found when i looked at the NX1 the counter guys tried to talk me out of it, with no basis or reason. I knew why I wanted it they did not know how good it is. Many shops won't even take it out as they may only stock one and don't want to turn it into a demo. Samsung should have just put stock into lots of stores as "Demo's" So yes Samsung need to come up with innovative ways of breaking down these barriers. Away from this th NX1 is healthy in it's own community where Video performance is important.
ChrisH37: The Samsung NX1 has to be the least available product going, having checked extensively there is ONE store with stock in the UK.
It's also staggeringly expensive, I'm amazed if they've sold more than a few hundred.
So many indignant comments because Samsung made a good camera/Sensor/Lens. It seem to have really offended some people. Obviously you wanted them to use a different criteria than what they though was the "Best" when choosing the winners?
biza43: It is interesting to compare with the EISA awards:
Yes, Yes Yes it's a conspiracy. Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that they haven't tested it yet? (Sony 90mm) and that's why they awarded Sony Camera of the year? That proves how bias they are (sarcasm alert)
Mike FL: RX100 IV and Leica Q are one of kind, but not sure about DMC-G7 and NX1.
Didn't see the "One of a kind" category? DXO is the win if that was a criteria
AND:Focus that actually works.Amazing Menu'sNear FF sensor capabilities (in some areas)Touch screen120 FPS at 1080Phase detect sensor covering the whole image area.Firmware updates via WiFiPossibly the most powerful processor ever put in a cameraI own both and the A7RII is built like Sony is a boutique company rather than a huge corporation, Some areas are Amazing and others, it's like they were asleep at the wheel. This is not the case with the NX1, every part of this camera was thought about, And the criticism of it being old fashioned in shape?? Owning both I know which one is best in hand and the most balanced and it's not the Sony. The NX1 is absolutely the most innovative.
Why give it press? LOL Samsung not trying to sell it? The issue is fan bois of other brands not buying it. Dealers not stocking it. I am sure Samsung would love for it to be stocked in all camera stores around the world in all countries, but they cannot dictate this. Samsung are a manufacturer NOT a retailer. By the way they are not closing their Camera division, Japan may hope they do? If you want an NX1 you can easily access it via many online sellers. I think this camera has sold incredibly well online, away from the high street stores.
kryten61: What this really shows well, is how amazing the NX1 is for a cropped chip camera.
Trolling??? Yea thanks for that, I thought I was just commenting on a Forum, I did say I own both! and this is not a Sony Forum! The point is that, as a camera, the NX1 bats way above it's weight, No one said it was better! and I am not interested in debating that the 7200 is better because you are splitting hairs as they are so close. But the 7200 does not do 4K, Live finder, touch screen etc etc which is why the NX1 competes with the Sony because of their shared video capabilities.