No surprise that BB was impressed by D810. All too often, we are satisfied by "good enough". Then, we get blown away by the 'best".
There is no free lunch. MILC is small and portable. But, ultimate ability lies elsewhere.
wb2trf: The 1 System was an outcome of an internal battle between Nikon marketing and Nikon engineering in which marketing decisively won. At the time the 1 was planned, they thought they could just confuse the mirrorless market as a way of damaging it and exploiting it while protecting dslr sales. "Nikon says mirrorless is not about serious photography" is the message the 1 was designed to deliver. Unfortunately this was a very bad idea.
Mirrorless, entirely on its own, is relentless as a technology. It lowers cost for equivalent IQ. Ultimately deadly. Sony, by a factor of the 2 the largest sensor maker, is going to drive it until there is nothing left but phone cams and mirrorless.
Unlike the far more diversified Canon, Nikon can't afford a "portfolio" approach of treating cameras as a "dis-invest" cash cow. So, the 1 System is going to become a landmark mistake for Nikon: here Nikon bet on marketing when they should have had engineering build the best mirrorless possible. RIP
"Mirrorless, entirely on its own, is relentless as a technology. It lowers cost for equivalent IQ. Ultimately deadly."
LOL. So, how come MILC cost more than DSLR right now? And, the MILC brands are losing money? Why are the overwhelming majority of MILC sales for cameras without VF?
BTW, Sony only makes the D610/800 sensors for Nikon. In terms of ILC market share, Sony is now pretty small.
IMHO, the important part of the N1 strategy will be the technology in the J4.
Most of the V3 technology in a J body at under $600 is a killer. Even a clearance V3 body at <$600 will be a no-brainer.
In the longer run, I look forward to the technology showcased by N1 in compact cameras. That will change the game.
Interesting. Lot's of potential in the technology under the hood.
HappyVan: What a strange conclusion?
Sensor size is 58% of FF. Resolution (19mp) is 53% of D800. So, small improvement over D800 is expected. NO big deal.
The real deal breaker is the price and weight (5 lb).
The other factor is economic. The D800 seems have a similar IQ to D600 (I have no experience with this camera) despite its greater pixel density.
I assume that's because the D800's price buys extra capture and processing technology.
Actually, I shoot Nikon DX and FF. My observation is that FF shadows are better even if the DxO score for DR is the same.
The reason is that the NR is greater on smaller sensor images. So, FF details are intact. The amount of light collected does matter.
Hope this helps.
What a strange conclusion?
Bervilat: No words on macro?
Just put it in your other pocket. Balances out the phone.
HappyVan: To be honest, I wouldn't depend on the phone for photos.
I would slip the Nikon AW110 into my other pocket. Its footprint is even smaller than my Sony Esperia S. It's rain and freeze proof, and comes with wifi.
You can even take semi-submerged shots of a flood. Of course, it has an optical zoom.
On a budget, there is the Nikon S32 $129.
Willing to carry a chunkier camera? There's the Nikon One cameras with PDAF and able to print a clean 18x12. The J1 kit is available for $249
True. How often do you use the zoom in your MFT?
The Nikon AW110 has a smaller footprint than the Sony Experia S. And, the AW110 macro distance is according to B&H only Macro: 0.39" (1 cm) - Infinity .
HappyVan: Cor Blimey!
All this effort to review a camera phone? Really?
Congratulations! You have just established which camera phone is best. But, are you buying a phone just for the camera?
I hope that you are right.
Anyway, I started a discussion at Open Talk Forum. Do join in and give us the DPR perspective.
I'm pleased that the discussion has proceeded in a civil manner so far.
There must be a minority who think that DPR can do no wrong! Hail Mary!
To be honest, I wouldn't depend on the phone for photos.
I like the insights offered by the CNET guy. Short and to the point.
"Nokia's deep investment in outrageous optics continues in the Lumia 1520. Like other Nokia phones, the 1520 uses Carl Zeiss Optics and the PureView technology that Nokia is associating with its brand. There are ball bearings for effective optical image stabilization, and a dual-LED flash instead of the Xenon flash found in both Verizon's Lumia 928 and in the Lumia 1020.
You'll also find a backside-illuminated sensor and a f/2.4 aperture, 16:9 default aspect ratio, and 26mm focal length."
The other sites look pretty detailed and knowledgeable.
Here's the important thing. DPR has good access to the camera brands and a network of contacts in the camera industry. Does Connect have the same with the phone manufactures, apps developers and mobility pundits?
IMO, the exciting longer term development is large sensor compacts. Once the price comes down, it's going to be hot. You could be networking and reviewing Sony A7 and Nikon A. There's upward mobility there?
Each system has its strengths and weaknesses. Play to its strength and avoid stressing its weaknesses.
A camera phone is mobile. FF may be the best for art pictures. Birding is best done with long telephoto lenses.
My experience is that macro is easiest done with lenses with nice manual focus control.
Each system has its natural strengths.
Noogy: I own a Nokia 1520. It is an amazing smartphone, for its camera and for watching videos during my travels. I own three DSLRs (one FF, two cropped), one mirrorless camera and a Galaxy Note 3 - that I eventually gave my wife. All criticisms hurled at DPR for doing this and towards the device itself - I had to personally use the phone for a few hours before I decided to buy one. It fits my usage model (60-70% business which means lots of emails, editing native MS Office files and web surfing). It is great for instant photo opportunities with friends when I don't have my DSLR with me. It takes HD videos like a number of other smartphones. It excels at everything I want it to do. I will never be rich enough for a smartphone to be custom-built for me :) But after using the Nokia 1520 for a month now, it's the closest smartphone that ever came to that! Thanks DPR for this review!
Don't take offence. No one said that the Nokia is a bad instrument. The issue I raised was whether DPR needs a separate mobility site, and to do 11 page reviews of just the camera.
Thing is that a short review with useful comments is enough for me.
Actually, there was a hysterical thread in Open Talk Forum. Said that Canikon should make camera phones because that's where the customers were.
I question whether DPR should have a Connect site. They are not experts on handphones. Don't offer a comprehensive analysis of handphones.
The problem is not why you bought the phone. The issue is why DPR is spending scarce resources on these camera phone reviews.
It's cool to be trendy. But will these reviews build readership? Are there not countless technical and mobility sites already doing full reviews (communications, apps and photographic)?