SeeRoy: Having previously worked with broadcast ENG/EFP video cameras, where integral "range extenders" (aka TCs) are a standard component of many zooms, it's always puzzled me why this configuration has taken so long to arrive in the stills sector. Those video lenses aren't exactly cheap either.
I wonder if it's some sort of hesitation to fit the integral extender into a body that could see harsh use, bumps, etc.? I don't quite know, I'm just speculating.
penguinman: From Andy Rouse web page.
This is a plea to the lens geeks. Please do not start comparing the Canon lens with the Nikon one, it is pointless. The Nikon 200-400 does a great job for Nikon photographers and the Canon lens will do a great job for Canon photographers. Comparing the two is just pointless, as no one is going to change camera system to use this lens are they? No they are not, so please don’t fuel the silly Canon vs Nikon debate anymore, it’s not what this lens or this review is all about.
The question is how this lens performs.
How the Nikon performs might under other cirumstances be midly interesting; however, every second spent by DPR or another reviewer discussing the Nikon is a second not spent discussing this lens.
The Nikon is useless because it does not fit a Canon body.
Those saying "we need to know to make purchasing decisions" are simply not in the market.
Expecting people to believe you need to decide now, without having either system, whether a $12K USD lens is right for you in order to make it part of your "first" purchase into a system is really not on. Nobody's buying the story, and you're not buying the lens. Either lens, if we're honest.
Stop lowering the level of the discussion.
Best news I've heard all year. We were told this should be available 08/13. Waiting to rent may not be practical depending on production run size.
The only potential weakness is the TC selection mechanism -- what isn't there cannot fail -- but the service is going to be a must-have for this anyway.
rallyfan: Photojournalists use the Leica M, eh? To do what, cover the Vietnam war? How many Ms are going to be at the upcoming Champs League final, between two ostensibly German teams at that?...
Either delusional or a misguided attempt at brand promotion. Poseur.
OK good news then. It's stated in flattering terms ("no longer as strongly...") but it is realistic. My misgivings seem unfounded.
We are in full agreement! Heh heh... Nice.
That's not the century we're discussing though, and unless there is a grammatical, linguistic, or transcriptional problem, that's not the century mentioned in the interview comment.
Notice that your statement switched tenses: "... are classic reportage cameras..." yet "... were used..." The point is whether they are, rather than were, used.
Is the Leica M being used this century by photojournalists? If not in press conferences or sporting events then where? There is no shortage of land wars, regrettably; are they being used there? How about breaking stories -- any Boston photos from Leica M pros? Local interest stories? Anybody covering a ribbon cutting ceremony at a community center with a Leica M? Where are the Leica M pros today?
marike6: DPR, why are some making personal attacks below?
There is no complain button on camera release threads.
OK then, that's not an unreasonable interpretetion. It could be a misunderstanding due to English/German differences in expression etc. I suppose.
Do you mean "flag as inappropriate?" I tried out of curiosity and the option does appear -- in this comment subthread it's under the "Like" button (with the up arrow on the left, the count on the right) and it appears if I hover over the "Like" button.
mandophoto: The Leica S is one beautiful camera.
Now you've mentioned it, yes, it does look a bit like a toaster from the side. I always preferred stainless appliances though, even when they went out of fashion for a while. Black shows too much dirt etc.
A stainless Leica S body would look great in the kitchen.
The exact quote is, "... They need a different type of camera than photojournalists who use the Leica M."
Unless he was misquoted or mistranslated, he's using present tense.
I think you might be giving him the benefit of the doubt when he's not said anything to deserve it. For example, he laments not the reduced numbers of photojournalists, but their reduced income levels that won't let them buy his company's goods. This is the reason he gives for his company's move into the fashion world, where the photographers are still affluent enough to make the "natural" choice and buy his stuff...
peevee1: "photojournalists who use the Leica M"
Are they delusional?
I've not met a single PJ that uses an M for work.
kkchiu215: I captured the Venus transit with Leica S2 with modified Catl Zeiss 1000mm f/8 medium format super telephoto lens. With the large 645 CCD format, I can easily enlarge Venus dot size image as appear on the white sun disk to resolve the sharp edge in detail. Which is important for high resolution astro-photography.
Very cool, congrats!
kkchiu215: I personally request Leica to manufacture the professional digital camera with GPS function year ago. So that all high quality photographs capture by this famous camera not only enjoyable to look at, but also become more scientific use. The location and real time recording for each individual image is absolutely very important in astro-photography as well as ordinary photography. We have to clearly document where and when each astronomy event happen on different parts of the world. By studying each photograph, we can measure the duration of each particular astro event as we observe from different place on earth.Leica has successfully develop the new GPS feature in both medium and regular 135mm format camera. any photographer capture any kind of image, they can easily tell others where and when exactly they see the object with popular electronic map. Is that great?
In all honesty, yes, it is great. GPS is a very useful function.
Are sports photographers not photojournalists in your view?
Are there Leica Ms at press conferences in 2013? Is that what people are using? A manual rangefinder-style camera? When Merkel speaks, are people snapping away discretely with their Leica M?... Or, when her press secretary spokeshole addresses the press, are the Leica Ms there?
Wifi is always welcome! Looks good. Hope Amazon goes beyond a preview and there is an actual review. Very interesting; might even drop in price next holiday season I hope -- gift worthy for recipients seriously getting involved I think.
Photojournalists use the Leica M, eh? To do what, cover the Vietnam war? How many Ms are going to be at the upcoming Champs League final, between two ostensibly German teams at that?...
HubertChen: Adobe is setting a very bad example for marketing
Reading and listening to their interviews you come back with the understanding that the way to make money is to be at odds to your customer and not to care about it. Worse, reading comments here it appears they already make many people believe that in order to make more money you need to be ad odds to the customer. This is a really bad example for business causing a damage way beyond the scope of Photoshop Users.
A contrast example: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/05/09/leica-s-system-interview-at-forbes.com
The Leica interview clearly shows Leica's success of entering a complete new market segment is created by working extremely close with the customer, making the customer's success their success. This is an important role model for other marketing directors. I wish more photography company do win - win marketing such as Leica and less do Win-Loose marketing such as Adobe.
The Leica interview did contain an idiotic statement about photojournalists and their choice if gear (as claimed, they use a manual focus, massively expensive rangefinder in... 2013) so it's a poor example of rational thought though.
CaseyComo: Amazon, why are you doing Adobe's market research for them? Do you think that you will lose sales with the move away from boxed/downloadable software licensing?
Amazon may not be doing marketing for Adobe with the poll; they may simply want the clicks and the opportunity to attract eyeballs without having to actually review a camera -- no reviews these past two days, just press releases. Smart.
We're apparently moving on with the existing purchased versions and will decide what other software we will be using in the future depending on the outocome of a couple demos. It's not a tremendous rush but CC/"PS" rental is not an option for the future so we'll have to do something else. There are some scripting issues that have to be addressed and one particular specialized application, but nothing insurmountable I don't think. We'll look elsewhere before we're stuck.
By the way: I find it difficult to believe Adobe are actually paying shills, since they don't care about the vast majority of site users here by their own admission. I suspect -- and don't know whether to laugh at them or pitty them -- that the pro-Adobe posts are not from shills but from honest Adobe enthusiasts that are simply dim.