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rallyfan: At the end of the day it's about clicks. People love to buy Canons, and conveniently, Amazon sells Canons. Match made in heaven, and the faster the review is posted the faster money changes hands.
Shame about Pentax though.
The scores for the Pentax K5II bodies could have been different had those bodies been tested in the same amount of time this Canon was tested.
As to whether the scores for the Pentax bodies were higher, there is some discussion in that thread since the scores currently make it seem as if at least in some areas the K5II is scoring lower than the K5.
My evaluation of the situation being all about clicks doesn't seem unfounded given the above and given a comment by BB below:
"By Barney Britton (2 hours ago)
We considered it but ultimately, we wanted a solid standalone review of the 700D on the site, alongside that of the EOS 650D. This is because a lot of of traffic comes from people searching the web for what camera to buy, and we didn't want to assume too much prior knowledge."
At the end of the day it's about clicks. People love to buy Canons, and conveniently, Amazon sells Canons. Match made in heaven, and the faster the review is posted the faster money changes hands.
Shame about Pentax though.
Gesture: "Significant vignetting in both JPEG and Raw files
Pedestrian focusing limits 'decisive moment' abilities"
Then, are Ricoh GR, Canon EOS-M and Sigma DP1M, 2M, 3M Gold cameras.
Our civilisation is on the brink. The DP series lacks the proper geometry and theology. It is an assault on taste and decency.
jackspra: Why was a review of the d4 never done and why is this question never answered
I think it may be quite pragmatic to not bother with the flagships.
Who here is waiting for a review from ...DPR to decide whether to buy a1Dx vs. a D4? In fact, who is waiting to decide whether to change systems from Canon to Nikon?
The two purposes I could see for such reviews would be clicks and a boost in sales of lesser models from either range.
Gesture: "Significant vignetting in both JPEG and Raw files
Pedestrian focusing limits 'decisive moment' abilities"
Then, are Ricoh GR, Canon EOS-M and Sigma DP1M, 2M, 3M Gold cameras.
I don't want to picture a world where a DP M is tested, much less receives a gold. We owe it to the children, our greatest natural resource, to protect everyone from those cameras.
As for the M, I was interested initially but now things have changed, and Canon has a better small offering anyway.
mmitch: Let's move on people!
I can't disagree, I'm tired of them too. I can always tell when they're wrong because they'll invariably disagree with me.
ybizzle: Nikon is in a tough place with this one...
On the one hand you have the GR which is $300 or so cheaper and arguably better and on the other hand, you have the X100S which costs the same but offers a faster lens, hybrid viewfinder, faster focus, and better handling and IQ. Bad timing/pricing make this camera a dead duck.
I think it depends on the gallery one is viewing. My guess is that the X is either par or better. Ultimately though size and price also factor in at least from my point of view.
As for the GR... I'm in a highly developed area on the coast of a highly developed country with an affluent population, and there is a large building with RICOH on its side down the street... yet I have never seen a GR in any store in my region. If you want to support your local camera store I doubt it'll be by buying a Ricoh around here.
rallyfan: It is disappointing to see discussion of the Sigma DP M series in the comments below. The mere mention of that uninteresting series raises serious questions regarding the goals and rationale of its advocates. Umberto Eco noticed something similar about anyone that at any time and for any reason mentions the Templars.
My observations are made purely out of a sincere concern for the well being of the posters.
Cailean Gallimore: I'll buy the Ricoh, but the Nikon doesn't seem to have any special appeal... It's a decent camera, but nothing special. The Ricoh is driven by incredibly photographer friendly software, and in that lies it's special appeal.
This dialogue actually brings up an intersting point. In other tests of electronic equipment, the reviewer sometimes takes a look inside.
Are cameras ever disassembled when they are reviewed here?
mmitch: Let's move on people!
Sorry but my understanding is that this website isn't about getting out there and taking pictures. I'm here specifically and exclusively to count pixels and features. Aren't you? Presumably you're not posting from base camp somewhere in Tibet, right? You're in front of a computer indoors?
rallyfan: It is disappointing to see discussion of the Sigma DP M series in the comments below. The mere mention of that uninteresting series raises serious questions regarding the goals and rationale of its advocates. Umberto Eco noticed something similar about anyone that at any time and for any reason mentions the Templars.
Precisely, yes!
It is disappointing to see discussion of the Sigma DP M series in the comments below. The mere mention of that uninteresting series raises serious questions regarding the goals and rationale of its advocates. Umberto Eco noticed something similar about anyone that at any time and for any reason mentions the Templars.
The vignetting issue, OK it's survivable. The slow response though, and the $1000 USD thing are show-stoppers.
Pass.
Zvonimir Tosic: If DPR didn't wait 9 months, the K5II(S) would have scored better — according to DPR's own words of balancing expectations of a camera relative to its current situation and peers.
So where is the logic in that — be late to make a review for 9 months, and honour it with "today's relative value"?
Someone could even think that you have waited for a new model of Nikon to come out, so that the K5II would not look as good as its newer peer, from a brand you'll always favour with timely reviews (as Simon acknowledged few weeks ago).
In a way, you guys on DPR do protect Nikon's interests. You care more about Nikon. If this Pentax camera is often overlooked even if full of unique treats for photographers, to paraphrase your words from the review, you do contribute a great deal to it, by writing damn late reviews, when camera is almost to be replaced with a new model.
Shawn Barnett wrote:
"What difference does it make if the camera scores better?"
If it doesn't make a difference then why not increase the score to 100 or eliminate the scores entirely?... So the scores do make a difference, right?...
"It isn't a contest, it's a relative judgment based on changes in the market."
The market has changed in the amount of time it took to publish the review.
mmitch: Let's move on people!
Move on to what? Speculating whether the K-3 will emerge, and if/when it does, how long before it's reviewed?
Or should we just move on to CaNikon articles?
Tom Schum: Looks like the K5 IIs makes a generally crisper and clearer photo. Too bad my X-E1 gives me a moire-free view of the resolution test chart. Perhaps the limits of bayer CFA technology have been reached.
Why is that too bad? Would you prefer your X-E1 produce more moire?
iudex: Nice to see a Pentax DSLR review after some time. A couple of months ago when I was considering which new DSLR to buy instead of my K-r I had been deciding between the K-5, K-5 II and the K-30. I finally choose the K-30, because the K-5 II as a hot novelty was quite expensive; today I would go for it, as the prices got more reasonable.
Anyhow I think this camera is overlooked by many, despite the assessment of dpreview as being one of the best APS-C DSLRs.
I have visited Athens last week and (apart from sightseeing) I looked also at cameras other people took pictures with. During 4 days I saw only one (!) Pentax in a sea of Canons and Nikons. Anyhow my K-30 did well in the hot dusty conditions and I am happy with it.
iudex:
The domestic market is a bit odd for Pentax. The official distributor is not in Athens; they are in Thessaloniki. However the official service is not in Thessaloniki, they are in Athens.
So let's say I actually find a Pentax kit and buy it from Technio. If something were to go wrong, I'd have to contact Inlens.
In the film days there were two different strata of Pentax users: those that wanted a K series instead of a Soviet Zenit and those that wanted a 645. Now it's hard to find easy sources for distribution and support.
This situation is apparently not unusual, as Amazon's stance on Pentax reviews has earned some criticism as you can see.
Maxfield_photo: I have to think it would be easier to train a photographer as a writer than to train a writer as a photographer, no offense meant.
If no offense was meant perhaps you've not quite mastered writing.
There's a certain undertone of arrogance mixed with thinly veiled desperation in the air when some "photographers" discuss their "art" and at the end of the day it may not be helping all that much...
On the iPhone fora posters are saying the current photos look like they were shot with a 3GS anyway, and they condemn not the move to reporters with iPhones but rather the training classes announced -- as pointless. "Press the button" rules the day.
The irony here is that the same people are unlikely to buy a newspaper (unless they own pet birds in cages I suppose).
the Mtn Man: Wow... really sucks to lose your job in this economy. Well, it sucks at any time, but it's especially bad right now. Even worse, "photographer" has been seriously devalued as a profession. Given the ubiquity of image capture devices and the number of "photography studios" that have sprung up in the last several years, seems like everybody is a "photographer" these days (although most people are doing good just figuring out which end of the camera to point at their subject, including those with photography studios!). These folks are going to have a tough time finding a new job in their field.
It's absolutely terrible for the employees sacked.