Maklike Tier: What I don't quite understand, is that if there is only two manufacturers of sensors, then how is this Leica body any different to any other 16Mp APSC sensored body? Does Leica have some crazy proprietary knowledge in regards to how to 'get the best out of' any given sensor, or is it all really about the Leica glass? I will admit though the work they've done on the GUI is outstanding from what I've seen. So incredibly intuitive and fast to change. Only thing really lacking is the ability to do multiple custom set-ups which I think would be the proverbial icing. If I was a GUI designer I'd be sending my resume to all the majors right about now. I expect there's some red faces and crapped undies in their design departments......
I don't know who made the sensor of this camera, but it is well known that the (reputedly capable) M sensor is designed and made in Europe, so that one is not a Canon or Sony sensor. The M sensor was designed by a Belgian company (Cmosis) whose usual market is the professional world and sensors for sattelites etc, and it was made in France. It would not surprise me if the new T camera has the same source for its sensor.
JapanAntoine: Going through that kind of pain, I'd rather buy a 6x6, like the Fuji ones (http://fujifilm.jp/personal/filmandcamera/filmcamera/mediumformat/index.html)Or any good Medium format film camera that you can find second-hand by the hundreds!
You have a point. I still use medium format (Rolleiflex, Fuji) next to my digital gear and it can be largely good enough.
electrophoto: So you pack this contraption, have to buy the 90mm lens (as it supposedly only comes with the pinhole attachment) pack in about 30 sheets of film and your 35 liter travel pack is full to the brim. ... so much for "goes wherever you go"...And 30 hipster shots later you're out of film and probably using the iphone again.
..Or get a more practical camera to begin with.
Guys. Think about Ansel Adams. An example of slow, limited yet knowledgeable photo taking in nature. That is what can be cool with this camera.I'd still bring a more manageable camera as well. This could not be my single camera on a trip
T3: These days, I'm really of the opinion that it's really all about the photos you make, not about the device you use to make them. I think this camera is really about the device you use to make the photos. When I look at a photo, I really couldn't care less about what device made the photo (whether it be a smart phone, or an m4/3 camera, or a 35mm FF camera, or a 4x5 camera). I just care if the photo is good or not. However, this camera should be fun for someone who gets a kick out of shooting with a unique device. I just don't think a device such as a 4x5 camera should be used so haphazardly as a "point-n-shoot". Kinda defeats the purpose of 4x5 if you're just zone focusing, handholding, pointing and shooting like the guy in the video.
If I had one, I'd probably use it for portraits, on a tripod, not really for travel.
While I like the idea of the device, I agree with your conclusion: this is a camera for thoughtful, deliberate shooting on a tripod, and then enjoy the quality afterwards. Using it as a P&S is a quick path to very expensive disappointment.
GodSpeaks: This 'might' have been interesting back in the days of film (ie: last Century), but today?
Go to a photography museum and look at the big prints, even the modern ones. They are usually taken with 4x5". You will be impressed with the quality.
mrdancer: So, I get the impression that this camera is most suited for landscape photography.
What if I pull my little camera out of my pocket, slap it on a tripod and take a few dozen photos, spend 2-3 minutes with Image Composite Editor to automatically stitch them together and end up with same or higher-resolution image with much more DOF? Photo setup time is probably about the same to ensure I get a decent end product, post-production maybe a little quicker with the little camera (assuming I convert RAWs, also). Maybe I lose some DR compared to the film, but could probably get most of that back by shooting RAWs.
Then I can use the little camera to shoot all kinds of other photos, too, and not have to carry a backpack with it...
What's the advantage of this big camera again?
Indeed, mrdancer, rent a 4x5 kit,study the operation, make landscape pictures, examine the results and you'd wish that you could delete your comment.
tkbslc: I have a hard time believing a $150 plastic film camera can beat even a high end compact, large film or no.
Edit: Looking through the photos on flickr, I think you'd better off with a quality used 35mm camera if you are after the film look and some DOF control. Maybe something like the Olympus XA or Stylus Epic.
Let us talk facts, not perception. The lens is the most important part. With a good lens, and decent light metering and guesstimate of distance the result will be on par wiht a Linhof. A 4x5" scanned at 3200 dpi (you could go higher, let's be "reasonable" here would yield a picture of 4x5x3200x3200 pixels or almost 205 (!) Megapixel. This is why those enormous picturesin museums are usually made with technical cameras.An Alpa camera (google them) is not that much more user friendly, yet its customers don't complain.
i don't agree. This does not aim to be a a Technika, but a cheap entry to large format photography. Despite not having movements, it is good for large prints at museum quality if the proper lens and tripod are used.
Soggoth: Without traditional view camera standard movements (rise, fall, tilt, shift) the whole idea doesn't have much sense
The XT-1 with its wonderful clasic Contax-like styling is gorgeous. Having great experience with an XE-1, I am lusting after this.And it must be said that the Lomography Petzval, here shown as a tangible object, is an interesting experiment. The idea of re-creating these old lens formulas is appealing to me, to unique look of the nervous bokeh does not make it universal but it can be interesting.
Not at all, its capabilities as a classic photo camera are obvious very very good. If this is what you want (I for one am not interested in video) then it stands out from the crowd.
whtchocla7e: Another ME-TOO camera. Does some things well, other things not so well, and gracefully blends in with the crowd.
Wye Photography: Personal view to which I am entitled - don't bite my head off.
I find it mildly amusing that thousands upon thousands of people abandoned film in their absolute droves and "made the switch to digital", spent $1000's (the $ is there for the benefit of my American brothers) on the new gear, computers, software only then to mimic film. If I could understand irony, I think that could be ironic.
I use digital, I also use film (B&W, just started to self process colour), I can tell you those "film packs" are just a waste of money esp BW. I can process Tri-X in D76, HC-110, Prescysol and Perceptol and have four different results.
With colour, I get a slightly different colour and rendition from my old Canon kit as I do from my RTS (and those sublime Carl Zeiss T* lenses) kit.
Personally, I think all these film sim profiles, albeit free from Adobe, are a gimmick. Quality film kit is cheap as chips thanks to digital. Buy some, have a go, do if for real. You'll enjoy it!
When the light is difficult. I shoot Raw on my fuji xe1. But usually I set it to jpg Velvia. The saturated colours may not be real but I like that people look healthier than in reality :-)
Jon Ragnarsson: Why doesn't Pentax make a mirrorless 645? That would be a truly unique camera and sure to make a few heads turn.
It would require new lenses to work with a svelte body.Remember that goofy Pentax mirrorless? It was so thick because they could not compress the space of the traditional mirror box and keep compatibility with the lenses.It is easier to put traditional lenses on thin mirrorless bodies (just add a distance ring that can mount) than the other way round.But conceptually: yes it would be good to see a very portable camera with MF sensor. I have a Fuji 6x45 AF MF camera, it looks like a 35mm compact camera on steroids but it is still very portable. Such a device in digital format with big sensor would be awesome.
Cal22: I like the line of lenses, especially the primes the high aperture and the handling of which are meant to be reminiscent of great moments in the history of photography. Most likely we'll see a 16mm to be added in the months to come.
Unfortunately, the rangefinder style camera is not to my liking, it's too inconvenient for a left-eye photographer. And since there's no EVF attachable to an M1 or A1 I'm still standing on the sidelines.
I use the xe1 with my left eye. No problem, except your nose rubs the screen.In fact it is slightly easier than a traditional dslr because now my hand at the shutter is farther away.
PixelMover: Am I the only one here who thinks the X-T1 body looks a lot like to old Contax RTS III (but a lot smaller, obviously...)
Yes with its wide pseudo pentaprism it has that lovely Contax vibe to it. I liked those cameras, even bought a cheap 139 model with 50mm planar one day, as an extraCamera.
bossa: I was hoping for a mirrorless version to get the size down to a D800 or D4 but they've stuck to the previous format.
Remember the Fuji 6x45 rangefinders? I have an autofocus one (looks like a giant film compact) and earlier there were manual focus ones. Really fantastic results and so portable.Imagine a near exact same camera with the big sensor in it, that would be awesome!
I have the XE-1 which is ergonomically the same, the XE-2 is mainly better regarding AF-speed which is indeed average on the XE-1.I find it a very nice travel camera. Typically I just take the 35mm f1.4, I also have the standard zoom which is good as well but the 35 is truly impressive.Historically on my Nikon D200 I always shot raw and then spent time finetuning in photoshop. I found that unless the light is really difficult, the XE-1's jpg quality is very nice. I typically set the camera on "velvia" (saturated) colours when traveling, I like that people look a bit healthier on holdiay snaps than they look in reality!My D200, while a bit antique, is stil a nice camera in the lower ISO range, and it is built very sturdily. However for travel the XE-1 has won my heart.I also like the old-fashioned controls, I don't have to browse through menu's, in essence I shoot with it like with my vintage Nikon F3.
Allen Yang: I can't understand why people would buy Fuji SLRs since it doesn't have as many lens as Canon or Nikon system. In addition, its camera bodies are much less competitive than Canon or Nikon cameras.
For johnnedanger: in general I do agree. I have both Fuji and Nikon, these days I mainly use the xe-1 with the great 35mm f1.4 lens. Excellent pictures. However!At my wedding pictures were taken with a Nikon D4 and some version of Canon 5D, and a friend also used my fuji. All 3 cameras produced very nice pictures, but I have to admit that the rendering of a full frame sensor is still better than the fuji's aps size. The image has more depth, 3 dimensionality to it. Mind, i love my fuji esp for travel and at 1.4 the lens has nice bokeh but I have to admit that those heavy full frame dslrs are not outdone just yet.
Kaelis: PhaseOne... I'm still waiting for a Full Frame you know, don't take the same road as Pentax please, I'm tired of waiting for bigger sensors !
Indeed, say a 4000x4000 pixel sensor in the classic 6x6 format. 16 megapixels with likely excellent high iso performance. That would be cool.