Mister Roboto: Should have been 20MP and f/2.0 to f/4.0 and FL of 24-135mm. That would be a real hotcake. For less than $300, I can buy a similar sized APS-C camera with kit lens and same FL.
@Mister Roboto "But as I have proven above, NEX-6 ISO-1600 is as clean as ISO-400 of 4/3 sensor"
And as I proved you can make GX7 ISO-1600 as clean as NEX6 ISO400. There's just no point trying to compare noise in JPEG because up to around ISO1600 you just can't tell the difference.
What you can tell is that ISO400 on a 4/3 sensor has noticeably less noise than ISO1600 on the NEX6, so whatever noise reduction you use you will get better results with 4/3 ISO400.
Michel Cojan: Don't quite get the 24-75mm equivalent focal lens here: with 4/3 format the multiplication factor (if I remember well) was 2x (i.e. 25mm focal lens = 50mm). Truble is, both Pana LX100 and D-Lux are using a lens specified as 10.9 to 34mm. That would make more like... 22 to 68mm (strict 4/3 sensor format). Anyone has a clue on that? (Other than that they both look quite promising).
@tkbslc 4/3rds in general has a different horizontal and vertical crop compared to 35mm's 3:2 ratio too, but it's much easier to compare sensor coverage by just using the diagonal crop factor.
But your entire argument was you could pay less money for the same quality, but you can't because you have to add fast lenses which takes you back up to the same price as the LX100.
Of course an interchangeable lens camera is more flexible and you can get a nice range of lenses, but as a single purchase the LX100 has competitive IQ (at least for ISO, lens sharpness is TBC) compared to the older NEX6 kit because of its much faster lens.
Except you can use the same slower shutter speed on the LX100 and so still have a 2-stop advantage from the lens. A built-in flash would be far more convenient, but it does still come with a small flash unit.
There's also lens sharpness, no figures on the LX100 yet but the NEX6's 16-50 is known for having bad corner softness at its wide end.
@Mister Roboto except you're talking about the NEX-6 with the f3.5 kit lens, which would make the comparison LX100 at ISO3200 vs NEX6 at ISO12800.
A GX7-type sensor with a 2-stop faster lens is undeniably better.
@ Mister Roboto well duh, with noise reduction you can also make ISO1600 on an m4/3 sensor look like ISO400 on the NEX-6
Of course with noise reduction you are always losing details, because it's not possible tell the difference between fine texture and noise. It is *always* better to start with less noise to begin with, which the NEX-6 appears to have less than a 1 stop advantage over m4/3
@Mister Roboto the noise level of the NEX-6 at ISO1600 is a fair bit higher than m4/3 sensors at ISO400
okaysee: "Thus, the effective sensor area on the LX100 is really 1.5X larger than 1inch" that's from the Introduction of the LX100 preview, 3rd paragraph down.
Um, that doesn't sound right at all. 1.5X larger than a 1-inch sensor would be 1.5". The LX100 DOES NOT use a 1.5" sensor. It uses a 4/3" sensor which measures 1.333". The EFFECTIVE amount of the sensor the LX100 uses out of the 1.333" available is 1.0667". The effective sensor size is therefore 1.0667X larger than a 1" sensor, not 1.5X larger.
Jeff Keller, I hope that helps.
Here's an easy way to compare, the LX100 is 2.2x crop, a 1" sensor is 2.7x crop.
MPA1: I've been after a camera that only uses the LCD for menu access forever.
However I want it to have AF and 10 fps too, so it won't be this one! I dread to think how much it will cost. EDIT I look it up. Rumour has it that it will be GBP12,000!
> I've been after a camera that only uses the LCD for menu access forever.
But isn't that basically every DSLR when you turn image review off?
@Hugo808 I think you mean a crop factor of 2.2x ?
AngryCorgi: I don't know why companies don't offer a 24P option. I hate the look of 30P video.
If Canon let you select PAL then you at least get 25P.
SphericalAberration: Argh... I want a LX100 for the traditional controls with a m43 lens mount.
Maybe that'll be the GX8?
Jonathan F/2: Best camera of the show. Period. 1" sensor killer.
What about the LX100? :)
Oleg Vinokurov: Now big question here will be, how is the lens performing? Their 12-35 for m43 is huge compared to this, yet not as big aperture. But still, amazing move!
The 12-35 does cover a bigger imaging circle though, while the LX100 has a 4/3" sized sensor its lens apparently only covers an area somewhere between a 4/3" and 1" sensor.
Serious Sam: I am only reading the first page, and you ask me to spend $2799.99 on a Samsung camera..... Nah I don't think so!!
> Hardly anyone would have NX lens so you have to start with the kit which is $2799.99
Why do you need /that/ lens? Sure it makes sense to pair a premium camera with a premium lens, but if you don't already have any NX kit you could buy the body and one of the many cheap NX lenses instead.
> spend $2799.99 on a Samsung camera
If it had a different badge would that make it a better camera?
straylightrun: No major significant changes. Fuji is seriously milking the x100 camera hard with this 3rd revision.
It feels like the x100 is always used as a testbed for new technology (this time their viewfinder tab and electronic shutter) that they want to incorporate into their ILC line-up.
mpgxsvcd: You had me until "Manual Focus". Manual Focus would be great for the interior architecture shots that this lens was intended for. However, I need it for low light action shots which really require good AFF.
The type of video work this lens is aimed at pretty much demands MF, which is why the focus ring is geared to accept a follow focus mechanism.
> essentially the Sony Alpha 7 series at the moment
What about the NEX-VG900? Not that I heard much from that model after the initial announcement...
Peter Bendheim: The haters are out in full force today I see. Good morning to y'all!
The point that I don't get are those that complain about sensor size. There are plenty other options out there in the Fuji range for larger sensors starting from the X100s. So go get one.
It's like being mad at a car company because their compact car doesn't come with a V8 like their other models. Choose another model or another brand. Cameras are not swiss army knives--they can't possible have every feature in every model. There are plenty of people who will more than like the X30, as there are plenty people who do like Canon's G16. Such a fuss about nothing.
@monkeybrain Canon already has a large sensor (1.5") premium compact, I can't imagine them going down a size at their premium end. Maybe we'll start to see 1" sensors in midrange compacts though?