KL Matt: Heh what happened to the rumored Sigma 24mm 1.4? Is that stilll on? Did they have one behind glass at Photokina?
This rumored lens plus a Nikon full frame is how I imagine getting my angle of view and depth of field requirements satisfied for considerably less than 4500€ that a Nikor 24g plus FF body would set me back. I'm also looking forward to the rumored Fuji 16mm f/1.4 for a very compact mirrorles setup with as little low light and DOF compromise in a wide angle prime combo. But sadly, nothing really on the market yet I can afford!
Heh what happened to the rumored Sigma 24mm 1.4? Is that stilll on? Did they have one behind glass at Photokina?
MonoSynth: Right now, there are serious mirrorless cameras from every manufacturer except Nikon and Canon. With decent EVF's and on-sensor phase detection AF, those flipping mirrors and bulky pentaprisms start to lose their advantage and a dSLR starts to look old-fashioned.
With an EVF I can:- See exactly what the sensor sees, no focusing screen calibration needed;- Zoom in to precisely focus my f/1.2 lenses;- See the result of the white balance settings;- See DoF instantly;- Dial in every possible overlay, including focus peaking, zebra and histogram;
Lens manufacturers are freed from the burdens of flange focal distance and automatic diaphragms, resulting in more compact lenses and more diaphragm blades (better bokeh).
There are some fields where an OVF has an advantage (fast sports), but those problems will soon be solved too.
You forgot to except Pentax as well. ;-) But they're the only ones without an excuse. As the market leaders, Canon and Nikon are playing their cards more or less correctly by letting the challengers spend all their R&D popularizing mirrorless. Once it finally becomes popular enough, the leaders will enter that segment and dominate it through their brand recognition. In the meantime, they'll let everyone else expend all their development and marketing cash doing the gruntwork of popularizing and defining this new and risky format.
Mark Banas: Oh, if only Samsung and Pentax still rebadged each other's cameras and tech... at least then I'd have a cutting edge camera with a K-mount. Yes, the K-3 was/is a great camera, but IMHO this NX1 is what a pro-level APS-C released in 2014 should have inside it. (Certainly not the microwaved leftover platter that is the 7DII!)
Samsung realized a long time ago there was no way to get to where they are now by partnering with Pentax, unfortunately.
Lots of people here don't quite seem to get it. This is a fast, full-frame lens sporting a 94-degree angle of view. Sigma is the only other company with anything this fast and wide for full frame with AF, and their aging 20mm 1.8 recieves very mixed reviews. The Sigma is a design from the film days and long overdue for replacement. So this is fantastic news for wide-angle prime shooters, and a unique offering that when combined with a Nikon FF bests even faster APS-C lenses like the upcoming Fuji 16mm f/1.4 RE depth of field control and low light capabilities. You'll probably need to look at exotic optics like Voigtländers and Leicas to find anything comparable, but you'll be missing autofocus. And paying a lot more.This is a great announcement.
lukulele: I had to collect technology permission slips today from my eighth graders. The majority had high end phones and tablets. They could care less what you think because if they like the color, features and yes, even perceived cuteness they'll find a way to get that product. Evidently Ricoh Pentax knows that DPR clientele are disappearing as a viable demographic and the Asian or youth market is much more desirable than a continuously whining group that are blindly led to the same brands ad nauseum by the internet moneychangers. You might look at Uniqlo as a Japanese model for where and what fashion and styling are going. It's a much more exciting and growing market than geezer black.
I have nothing against a new take on ILC style. But there is no excuse for making it an unholy Frankenstein hodge-podge of a thing. If you're going to go a new direction, do it in style, don't just take an existing design and tack on LEDs and a different grip. I actually really liked the K-01 design despite all its drawbacks (ergonomically). It was a consistent and ambitious concept. That cam had personality. This is just chintzy.
KL Matt: Looks like a poor unsuspecting K5 got some bizarre disco mirrorless rammed down its throat and unfortunately lived to tell about it.
I'm considering starting a Kickstarter to fund the purchase. And my hospital billls.
??? Yes I suppose the disco lights were an inevitable evolution of the DSLR and a sign of the times.... ???
OUCH busted. I'm in shock this thing is real. I seriously thought it was a gag. Does not compute. But seriously though, did you see something like this coming? I'm still in disbelief.
Looks like a poor unsuspecting K5 got some bizarre disco mirrorless rammed down its throat and unfortunately lived to tell about it.
The one type of shot where you can truly see the character of a fast '50'like this is unfortunately missing: a full-body shot at medium distance and max aperture. Instead all we've got here are close-up, wide-open headshots with backgrounds blurred all the way to mush (hint: any fast 50 can do that well) or alternately long-shots at larger apertures with no out-of-focus areas. To really get a feel for the lens's OOF rendering, you have to shoot that middle ground. That's where the magic of this lens should be (and actually is judging on samples I've seen elsewhere).
11 "really"s and 4 "rather"s on a single page. I'm rather impressed. Really!
70D - 83%D7100 - 85%
Pentax K-3.....same score as 70D and inferior to D7100...
"Isn't much bigger than m4/3." Have you ever held an Olympus OMD E-M5 in your hands?
Heie2: Also, for how long this review took, this might just be the slimmest and most empty review DPR has published in such a long time.
Gives off the impression of "FFS, just publish the damn thing already."
I really had high hopes DPR would finally get it right...
Richard, don't be disappointed. I and I'm sure many others did not get the impression that you had rushed to publish this at all. You may not have reported what some people want to hear. But that doesn't say a thing about your review. It only says something about those people's agenda.
Carlos Loff: I gave up on Nikon and the D400 - Im one of the many who will get this baby - ASAP
I say go for it. But be warned, the Nikon 9xxx, a potential d300s replacement, is rumored to be around the corner.
codeNsnap: Any news of a fast 23mm from Pentax ? Would have considered K3 over Fujifilm XT-1 if there was a fast 35mm equivalent option for K3.
No, they don't. The Sigma is just ok and the DA 21 is not "fast" by any stretch of the imagination. Neither of those lenses match the Fuji optically.
jon404: I am shocked at the low pricing for this excellent camera -- and for those from other mfgrs -- and also how fast the value depreciates. Scary, scary business. Great times for the consumer, but you wonder how much longer this can go on.
Entropius, you may want to consider the DA*300 plus 1.4 TC combo. It's faster, more flexible, and potentially just as good as a 400 f/5.6. The DA* 300 gets rave reviews on the K3. Also, there is a new long zoom on the roadmap for 2014 that will go out to at least 400 mm.
smafdy: I wish people would stop using the term "semi-pro" when referring to these cameras. There is nothing "semi-pro" about them. From build quality to IQ, Penta offerings are certainly capable of being put to profitable use by any "pro" photographer.
As for the general concept of a "pro" camera, I sold a lot of images shot with a Nikon Coolpix 5700, back in the day. Maybe my clients got ripped-off by the non-"professional" camera I used.
OK, so you want to call the k3 a professional camera. What then will you refer to the Nikon D4s and Canon 1Dx level of gear as? Über-pro?
xpanded: Please stop calling interpreters for translators. They require vastly different skills.
I just thought of a better analogy: this is like referring to a guy shooting video as a "photographer" or a guy shooting stills as a "cameraman." Sure, it's all imaging in the end. But if you want to shoot a video, you may have a difficult time accomplishing that by going out and hiring a freelance photographer who doesn't do video. Same thing applies to translators and interpreters. If you need an interpreter, looking up translators in the yellow pages would be a bad strategy to find one, although you may luck upon an individual who does both.
Hi Barney, if there was a joke in what you wrote, it went over my head. A translator works with written language exclusively. An interpreter works with spoken language. Exclusively. Some professionals in these fields do offer both types of services, but then they also refer to themselves as both transltors and interpreters. If there was a person sitting next to you speaking English with you and speaking Japanese to the camera guys, then that person was an interpreter, not a translator. It's like if I referred to you as a stenographer because well you write things down, don't you?