Lanski: I like the waterproof roundups. I bought a Canon D10 after reading one a good few years ago and was very pleased with it. I felt they'd made a lot of good choices for a compact and I think I got some good results with it (just the underwater ones: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lancesagar/sets/72157631929724683/).
I have to say that I'm very disappointed with this latest release. Not for the first time, Canon appear to be launching an expensive new product without a satisfactory level of improvement. F3.9 at the wide end is truly shocking. No wonder the images are soft. My D10 was F2.8 and I suspect would still make a better choice.
The D10 wiped the floor with its peers (for underwater use) in its roundup. It won't be the same story for the D20.
I like D10 CCD sensorsadly CCD is dying
due for an update next yearI will see what D30 bring to the table
Robert Anderson: Some more real world samples from the D20http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/9208018736/albums/d20
your D20 samples IQ are very goodbetter than I expect at ISO 100 and F3.9
by the way with no Aperture mode is the auto smart enough to always use F3.9 to avoid diffraction?
A large sensor waterproof, at least 1 inchI have wait many many years still just a dream
jefflins: Want to hear a decent model: Adobe could go to a cloud model. They could charge an amount equal to essentially "forcing" everybody to upgrade every 18 months. Price: $10 a month. Prepay a year, $99. Give existing owners a free period of subsription based on their version: CS6=free 18 months, CS5=free 6 months. Nothing for CS4 and earlier.
Would such a model attract 2 times as many users? (or slightly more due to bandwidth, storage customer svc costs which eat into the costs). I don't know.
Oh well, not going to happen. So here's my idea: convert my raw files to TIFF, JPG or DNG in Lightroom and use CS5 for the next 5-10 years, by which time a suitable competitor will arise...likely in the freeware space.
there will be no lens correction for any new lens
peevee1: There is no even point to compare anything but TG-2 and WG-3 now. Get out of the bright sun and it crystal clear why - others cannot even do what a phone can do.
I agreeThe benefit of F2 lens is at low light and indoor which is importantI choose TG-2If only for outdoor F2 lensis not needed than hard to say which is best. D20 better than TG-2? don't know
Can I just paid $19.99 and use it for 1 month?
ci-lee: How timely indeed! I'm in the market for an all-weather cam to complement the X20 & XP1. Hope your upcoming reviews (and subsequent comparison) include the Oly TG2, Pentax WG3 and Fuji XP200 (I assume the AW110 and TF5 will be incl. as well). I know on paper the Fuji is prob the dog of the underwater group but the specs seem surprisingly similar to the Nikon AW110 which has gotten good reviews on other sites. Plus it boasts WiFi which makes up for the lack of built-in GPS, has some versatile video capture rates and similar 'creative' modes as the other Fuji cameras. More importantly for me tho is the use of the same NP50 battery as the X20, of which I already have three spares :)
Anyway, keep up the great work and please hurry with these reviews, I'll be on two trips in August where neither X-cam will like the environment too much ;)
P.S. I agree with the previous poster who mentioned the lack of shutter/aperture priority for these "sports" cams...makes the TG2 quite appealing
I think TG-2 is the best of the bunch
CarVac: I want a small 28mm equiv for aps-c dslrs.
Not some huge semi-fast prime (77mm filter threads!).
Not some huger, faster (!) zoom.
I'll even take f/4 if it's small.
Either way, more options are better.
easy just buy Coolpix A or Ricoh GR
How come it is so heavy
bcalkins: Sounds promising!
Coolpix A the most recent APS-C camera is good up to ISO 6400very hard to beat that
talk is cheap. seeing is believing
TJGKG: After all this, the Sony RX-100 still scores higher! Whilst both got a silver award, the Sony got a 78 and the Nikon a 75. Interesting. From the review I would guess the GR is going to score even lower.
I don't even know how they come up with the scorefunny how serious people treat these score
2013 is a milestone in camera historythese 2 camera is probably better than even DSLR with good lensbecause the lens is designed from the ground up to match the sensor
smallest and best IQ APS-C camera, few understand the significance of this development
Justin Francis: The Sony RX100 blows this Nikon away. The Sony has a zoom, the wide end is faster, the DOF is pretty much the same for both cameras which negates the Nikon's larger sensor. For normal use, Sony's IQ matches the Nikon's except upwards of ISO1600. On top of that the Sony is more pocketable. What's the rationale for the Nikon?
Comparing apple to orangeAPS-C sensor can't be compare to 1 inch
Jefftan: still confusing as everas a jpeg shooter out of camera color is very important to meI know these 2 cameras color are different and everyone may have different opinion which one has better color
I hope there are more shooting of the same scene from both camerathis review only has a total of 12 (6 from each camera) I can compare
"why don't you look at the sample yourself and tell us which camera colors you like better"They are not shooting the same scene so not directly comparable
"Most cameras today are more than capable to make most people happy"If you are talking about detail I agree but it is not that simple. I will give you an example I have an E-PL1 an NEX-5N. I don't shoot RAW so only use out of camera jpeg
The white balance of E-PL1 is very unreliable in any artificial lighting and someimes even daylight, produce odd color and it is a pain to correct them with jpeg (almost impossible to me)I also much prefer the color of NEX there is no way you can change the color of E-PL1 jpeg to NEX color
So not as simple as you said. The white balance and color of a camera is different for different cameras so not all cameras today are OK to everyone
Of course one can shoot RAW but that is an added cost and added trouble that not all (including me) will do. Even in RAW I bet different camera has different color and also white balance is determine by camera settings if done in batch mode
still confusing as everas a jpeg shooter out of camera color is very important to meI know these 2 cameras color are different and everyone may have different opinion which one has better color
Jefftan: Hi, R ButlerMay I ask if Active D-Lighting is available in RAW?You have mention "For JPEG shooters in particular, this is a really nice feature to have"
So it is not available in RAW?Thanks.
Thanks R Butler and greggyh for the info
Hi, R ButlerMay I ask if Active D-Lighting is available in RAW?You have mention "For JPEG shooters in particular, this is a really nice feature to have"
for jpeg shooter like me, the "Active D-Lighting" alone should make the decision for meCoolpix A is probably betterhttp://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-coolpix-a/9
I suppose GR pics would look like Active D-Lighting off