that ISO 1600 sample is very good for a small sensor
I would buy a GR or NEX-3N and anyone care about their money should
$750 crazy price for 1 inch sensorHow much bigger is NEX-3N at $450
but IQ must be much bettercan't understand Sony pricing
samples at both ISO 160 and 3200 not impressive at all
ISO 160 sample not much detail. These may be out of camera jpeg, not sure if RAW better
ISO 3200 lots of noise
Anyone know why pair with 16-50mm instead of 18-55mm kit lensIs the 16-50mm worse than 18-55mm?
sarkozy: shutter 1/4000 is to bada shutter 1/8000 or 1/16000 (electronically) could have induced me to buy this camera
if your NEX-5N is with kit lens you have a reason to buyGR lens is much better
May I ask if lens correction is available?Only in the pro version?
yes Vivid, or user defined settings punch the colors, thsat is simply standard on all Ricohs
The GR is made for enthousiasts of perfect pictures, so i'm pleased to see that DPR made the ffrot of including lots of optical graphs in their review, this is pixel peeping at its best to find that last bit of detail.
Thanks for the replyI think muted color is not a big problem if white balance is accurateGR white balance OK? Thanks
Is there an easy way to deal with the muted colorIncrease saturation of jpeg in camera?or use vivid color mode?
Lanski: I like the waterproof roundups. I bought a Canon D10 after reading one a good few years ago and was very pleased with it. I felt they'd made a lot of good choices for a compact and I think I got some good results with it (just the underwater ones: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lancesagar/sets/72157631929724683/).
I have to say that I'm very disappointed with this latest release. Not for the first time, Canon appear to be launching an expensive new product without a satisfactory level of improvement. F3.9 at the wide end is truly shocking. No wonder the images are soft. My D10 was F2.8 and I suspect would still make a better choice.
The D10 wiped the floor with its peers (for underwater use) in its roundup. It won't be the same story for the D20.
I like D10 CCD sensorsadly CCD is dying
due for an update next yearI will see what D30 bring to the table
Robert Anderson: Some more real world samples from the D20http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/9208018736/albums/d20
your D20 samples IQ are very goodbetter than I expect at ISO 100 and F3.9
by the way with no Aperture mode is the auto smart enough to always use F3.9 to avoid diffraction?
A large sensor waterproof, at least 1 inchI have wait many many years still just a dream
jefflins: Want to hear a decent model: Adobe could go to a cloud model. They could charge an amount equal to essentially "forcing" everybody to upgrade every 18 months. Price: $10 a month. Prepay a year, $99. Give existing owners a free period of subsription based on their version: CS6=free 18 months, CS5=free 6 months. Nothing for CS4 and earlier.
Would such a model attract 2 times as many users? (or slightly more due to bandwidth, storage customer svc costs which eat into the costs). I don't know.
Oh well, not going to happen. So here's my idea: convert my raw files to TIFF, JPG or DNG in Lightroom and use CS5 for the next 5-10 years, by which time a suitable competitor will arise...likely in the freeware space.
there will be no lens correction for any new lens
peevee1: There is no even point to compare anything but TG-2 and WG-3 now. Get out of the bright sun and it crystal clear why - others cannot even do what a phone can do.
I agreeThe benefit of F2 lens is at low light and indoor which is importantI choose TG-2If only for outdoor F2 lensis not needed than hard to say which is best. D20 better than TG-2? don't know
Can I just paid $19.99 and use it for 1 month?
ci-lee: How timely indeed! I'm in the market for an all-weather cam to complement the X20 & XP1. Hope your upcoming reviews (and subsequent comparison) include the Oly TG2, Pentax WG3 and Fuji XP200 (I assume the AW110 and TF5 will be incl. as well). I know on paper the Fuji is prob the dog of the underwater group but the specs seem surprisingly similar to the Nikon AW110 which has gotten good reviews on other sites. Plus it boasts WiFi which makes up for the lack of built-in GPS, has some versatile video capture rates and similar 'creative' modes as the other Fuji cameras. More importantly for me tho is the use of the same NP50 battery as the X20, of which I already have three spares :)
Anyway, keep up the great work and please hurry with these reviews, I'll be on two trips in August where neither X-cam will like the environment too much ;)
P.S. I agree with the previous poster who mentioned the lack of shutter/aperture priority for these "sports" cams...makes the TG2 quite appealing
I think TG-2 is the best of the bunch
CarVac: I want a small 28mm equiv for aps-c dslrs.
Not some huge semi-fast prime (77mm filter threads!).
Not some huger, faster (!) zoom.
I'll even take f/4 if it's small.
Either way, more options are better.
easy just buy Coolpix A or Ricoh GR
How come it is so heavy
bcalkins: Sounds promising!
Coolpix A the most recent APS-C camera is good up to ISO 6400very hard to beat that
talk is cheap. seeing is believing