I am happy that Samsung is still in camera business
I know I will get attack but I still have to said thisgot a MFT camera and put on a good lens like Leica 15mm F1.7 at base ISO are you not getting the same or even better IQ?
High ISO is another story
I want to know if there is "electronic front curtain shutter" or something like Olympus "0 second delay" or something like that
I have been a photographer (always handheld no tripod) for 10 years and only recently know the importance of this. I won't buy a camera without this feature otherwise those high resolution sensor is useless, slight shake and almost no resolution at all ,worse than camera phone
Is it possible to use F0.95 for landscape by focusing on infinity?or the razor thin DOF made it impossible?Anyone knows? Thanks
Can the editor just show us some out of camera jpeg so at least we can judge the native color of the camerea. The jpeg should be shown with the lowest selectable NR (if available in camera setting) and camera default level of shapening
For all cameras not just this one, process to taste is not representative of IQ or camera color
Everyone know there are different color rendering of different camera jpeg even if using the same sensor. Look at Olympus and Panasonic MFT camere. Very different jpeg color for the same sensor.
It is no secret that not everyone process RAW even for very expensive camera or at least not for all pictures.
Jim Evidon: I really cannot understand the carping of those who claim that the IQ is no better than an NEX-5N (which I used to own and loved) or as someone claimed, a Canon Nexus. Give me and the other readers a break. Alert: I own both the Leica M9P as well as the Leica X2, but have no intention of ever purchasing the Leica Q since what I already have produces excellent 13X19's; as large as I ever intend to print.
However, if those readers would reexamine the gallery images at normal expanded size and then apply the 100% loupe of images @ ISO 800 and 1000, they should see that the noise closely resembles fine grain film with a very tight pattern. Is it noiseless at these ISO settings? No. My Fuji XPro-1 is noiseless well beyond that point. But noise is not the the main issue. It is how the noise is dealt with.
These images take digital to a whole new level. From the noiseless ISO 100 to the well controlled fine noise @ ISO 1000, bright colors in RAW and great contrast, I am very impressed.
What about base ISO? I don't think it is better than NEX-5N. Disappointing for a full frame $4000 camera
Is this what the best a $6000 Leica full frame can offer? Very disappointing. I would stuck with my GM1 and NEX-5N
Greynerd: Is it just me but is it difficult to see any real difference between any of these cameras in daylight regardless of price or sensor size?Probably I have got the wrong electron microscope.I am sure you could get pictures similar to this from a Canon Ixus (other brands are available).
I have the same feeling as the original posterscasual looking at the picture don't look much better than my GM1 and NEX-5N at low ISO
GrahamSeventy1: Reasons why Mirrorless are not doing so well
1. With a lens attached their still not pocketable - so micro 4/3 only has dis-advantages compared to APS-C 2. Using a completely new lens system instead of regular DSLR lenses - a big mistake3. Their tiny size gives the impression of a toy camera less capable than a DSLR + less grip, not well matched with a big/heavy lens
Menu's are full of unnecessary crap, but as has been said before all can be left in auto mode.
Something that might appeal to those who never go anywhere without there camera - add a sim slot/phone functionality to a camera so there's no need to carry a mobile - kill the phone industry the way their killing the camera industry !
Do u change lens outside? u don't worry about sensor dust?
camera companies are partly to blame for not creating exciting product that really got buying interestfor example the tough waterproof camera has been basically the same for the last 5 years. forget about larger sensor with less or no zoom,faster lens...etc
Look at micro four third, how long have it stuck in 16 megapixel? longer than I can remember and now many years later finally 20 megapixel but in a US$1200 body
Many features not just sensor are not improving much in the last 4-5 years, such as low light AF, processing speed,low light video, in camera jpeg NR..etc. Even photographers are getting tired buy the same or little improved camera again and again
I think hopeless trying to get the public to buy camera. At least release exciting camera that photographers will interest and want to spend money
but that's a chicken and egg question. With sales down no R&D money for real innovation and exciting product, than sales down even more. Very bad negative cycle
sales volume of camera will never go up again. The question is how much it will decline and how will that affect camera companies
it is be interesting to see say 3 years from now how many camera companies will still stay in camera business and how many models and at what price point camera will be offered.
My guess is some camera companies will exit the business and camera will differentiate in to 2 different groups.
1. cheap smaller camera with price no more than US$500 (not initial offer price but after price stabilize say after 6 months to 1 year)2. Very expensive one like the A7R II with price at least US$1000 and sky's the limit
Jefftan: All cameras has an "auto mode" . Most people just do not care about photography enough to carry a real camera. That is not the fault of camera manufacturer or there is anything they can do about this
The days before smartphone when everyone would buy a digital camera to take pics would never come back. From now on cameras are for real photographer and there is nothing wrong about that
If camera are made for "most people". Real photographers would not want to touch it
All cameras has an "auto mode" . Most people just do not care about photography enough to carry a real camera. That is not the fault of camera manufacturer or there is anything they can do about this
Only serious photographer will buy a dedicated camera. Most will just use smartphone.
It is dreaming to imagine suddenly everyone will buy an extra camera to take pics instead of using the phone. It just won't happen no matter what the camera company do.
I don't see a problem why camera shouldn't be an item only for people serious about photography like me. Actuallly I hate complete novice saying they are a photographer. I would be very upset if camera get dumb down for the public.
Of course this would mean lower sales volume and higher price. This has already happen. Look at the price of RX100 IV US$950 and A7R II US$3200 body only. I hate this too but that's life and one has to bear with it
Jefftan: I am a bit confused and if some expert could kindly answer my questionfor mirrorless with only CDAF which is my NEX-5N and GM1, I know in low light AF I should use the largest aperture for a long time
but using AF-C is a new idea to me, I only use AF-S and especially for NEX-5N is a problem in very low light condition, by the way GM1 much better in extreme low lightShould I use AF-C in low light for CDAF mirrorless?
Is there any drawback like mention in article " if it's so dark you're experiencing hunting (below -3EV), you'll want to switch to AF-S so that once your camera locks focus, it doesn't try to refocus which may send it in to a long hunt. Why the hunt? Because PDAF sensors may cease to function, at which point the camera reverts to CDAF"
Thanks for the reply
"softening brought about by shutter shock. The E-M10 II suffers from the same problem but, unlike G7, offers an electronic first curtain mode (called 0sec Anti-Shock) that eliminates it "
May I ask the reviewer or anyone in the know, Does it mean that I should always use electronic shutter in GM1 (probably same shutter shock problem as G7) or only in certain shutter speed?
Get me confused. My understanding is that using electronic shutter bring about added noise and rolling shutter effect (is this effect only for moving subjects?) and should be avoid when standard shutter can be used (1/500 or slower)
But than what about this shutter shock problem? Thanks
Jefftan: I am using GM5 and to me the only reason why I would want to double the weight and adding 200 gram is 5 axis ISCan one really get consistent sharp pics in 1/3 seconds at wide angle? (24-28mm equivalent?)
If true I would be interested, I am not getting consistent sharp pics even at 1/15 with kit lens at wide angle
Can the reviewer or someone with experience in this Olympus 5 axis IS comment please?
2 stop at wid angle is quite disappointing for the supposedly miracle of 5 axis IS
In 2015 can u really sell a mid range camera without 4K and with old sensor?almost 400 gram is heavy in my opinion for a small sensor camera without weather sealing. Remember GM1/5 with the same sensor is only 200 gram and that is with magnesium alloy frame which EM10 II is not
The only interesting feature this camera has is 5 axis, even this is rate lower than EM5 II (5 stop vs 4 stop)not interesting or exciting
I am using GM5 and to me the only reason why I would want to double the weight and adding 200 gram is 5 axis ISCan one really get consistent sharp pics in 1/3 seconds at wide angle? (24-28mm equivalent?)
Thanks for the reply but what is this mean?"A lot of cameras tend to be less picky with AF-C even if set to focus priority and it may not be picky enough"thanks