low ISO remove NRHigh ISO use DXO Prime NR
Significant IQ improvement with RAW
Giklab: Now the whining about these cameras not offering RAW can finally be replaced with whining about how the RAW files are sh*t.
I don't think so low ISO remove NR High ISO use DXO Prime NR
Significant IQ improvement
Jefftan: Anyone got SH-1?is the 5 axis IS really better than others like Panasonic or not?thanks
Really?Do you own SH-1?2 stops is a lots, will be a better camera than ZS50 if true
Jefftan: very good for small sensor especially ISO 800 IQ
I will buy it and would ask the camera community to support Panasonic decision to lower MP to 12MP from 18MP
This is extremely important, unless people buy it to support it , other companies will not get the message
today announced Olympus SH-2 is 16 MP, others even worse with 18 MP 20MP, totally insane
We all should support company that listen to photographers. in my opinion 10 MP is even better
cainn24may I ask what version of DXO optics you are using? Do you use the latest version with PRIME NR
"I have provided proof that it is true in the case of the 18MP ZS40 vs the 12MP ZS50 at the link I posted earlier. Here it is again: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/55438424"Thanks for that detail post. I just check and that is my personal opinion. At ISO 100 there is very little extra detail in ZS40 that is not worth the deteriorating high ISO IQ.Also the high ISO sample is shot in good lighting, the difference in low light high ISO is likely much worse that your samples shown
"You'll typically get more detail when shooting JPEGs too because the noise difference at low ISOs is next to negligable therefore more aggressive noise reduction is not even necessary"With respect I don't agree with you that noise at low ISO is negligable especially for small 1/2.3 sensor and crazy high MP like 18/20. At 20MP there would be so much noise that even RAW can't restore lost detailbut even if what you said is true, is that little extra detail that is probably hard to be seen (maybe useful for cropping) worth destroying high ISO IQ?low light IQ is very important to most people, at even ISO 400 ,high MP small sensor can't compare with 10/12 MP
cainn24 "but at lower ISOs more pixels will *always* resolve more detail assuming that everything else is equal"what you said is only true with RAW, in jpeg because extra pixel will create more noise, heavier NR is needed which destroy detailactually it may not even be true for RAW if MP become too extreme like 20MP for 1/2.3 sensor, in that case there are so much noise which destroy detail that even RAW processing is useless and there would be less real detail than 10/12MP
there should be no argument but established fact that for same generation and same sensor size, the more MP will1. at low ISO you get more detail with RAW but probably not with jpeg especially for 1/2.3 small sensor because of default heavy NR2. at even ISO 400 and up, the more MP the more noise and less detail
"In a nutshell my 18MP TZ60 is resolving slightly more detail than my 12MP TZ70, and this is not an isolated finding either"really? unless you are processing RAW, the NR in jpeg would destroy all extra detail even in base ISOI have 16MP Sony HX9V with backlit sensor, at even base ISO has lots of NR noise smearing, actually less detail than 12/10MPand high ISO is of course uselessA 12MP 1/2.3 sensor with RAW is probably useable at least up to ISO800
keep good care of it, these low MP 1/2.3 sensor is like dinosaur that go extinctnot too long ago i still can buy a 12MP tough small sensor TG-2, now it become a useless 16MPI still upset that i drop a 10MP tough small sensor Sony TX5 to the sea, the current generation is a garbage 20MPHard to believe but is true, these small sensor are getting worse not better.That's why I hope more people like me will buy ZS50, that would send other camera manufacturers the message
Anyone got SH-1?is the 5 axis IS really better than others like Panasonic or not?thanks
the best super zoom in 2015 is Panasonic ZS50, only one with 12MPunless that 5 axis IS is really much better than Panasonic which i doubt
I have not buy a super zoom for 4 years since Sony 16MP hx9v, i am not happy with its IQ even at ISO 100 for its NR smearing for having too much MP
ZS50 with 12MP get me interested again after 4 years
AllOtherNamesTaken: $400 for 1/2.3" sensor? No thanks.
You could buy a Nikon 1-series and Lightroom 5 for $150 not long ago haha. Who in their right mind is spending $400 on these cameras?
it is entirely possible that a 12MP 1/2.3 sensor with good lens can outperform 1 inch sensor at base ISO especially without high dynamic range situationbut is is almost impossible that it can beat large sensor at ISO 1600I have Olympus TG-2 with a similar 12MP 1/2.3 sensoryes only jpeg no RAW but even ISO 800 is just barely OK let alone ISO 1600
Peiasdf: Another overpriced Olympus compact that's under spec. With a sensor so small, lens so slow and RX100 and G7X not much more, this camera should be $250.
Franky I don't know why people want ultra-zoom cameras because by the time you got to 300mm+ the lens will be so slow the resulting image would be very poor from the tiny sensor. You might have better image if you crop from a G7X at 105mm equv.
"recently got a new G7X from Hong Kong for $515"where do you buy it?i am travelling to HK soon, such a good dealwith warranty? no problem whatsoever?thanks
very good for small sensor especially ISO 800 IQ
the big news is 12MP ZS50, for 1/2.3 sensor that is the maximum for acceptable IQRAW is also significantif these 2 characteristic is unique to panasonic, is that correct?the winner for this class of camera in 2015 is already determined
the only choice in this segment is TG3 or WG4no one understand what F number is would buy this
Of course I assume a lot of people don't know what F number is like my parents
FatJohn: Still no F2.0 after another 2 years, why even bother to release TS6?
how much more noise is TG3 compare with TG2?I own TG2, noise already bad at ISO 800 which is needed in night scene
PedroMZ: would be simpler and more effective for the lens to have a thread allowing a "lens protector filter" screwed on just as on SLRs. Fit it and forget it and can be wiped clean without fear of damaging that precious lens coating. An example of how not to do it is the Fuji x20, huge adapter to take a filter which could have been much more simply and compactly screwed on the front of the lens. I believe Panasonic FZ200 superzoom does have a thread so why not this one?
"the front of the lens is threaded to accept 43mm diameter filters, without the need for add-on adapters."have you read this?