Donnie G: Even though Canon doesn't bother calling these cameras by the stupid new marketing buzzword, "mirrorless", Canon has always had one of the largest collections of best selling mirrorless cameras in the marketplace. Everything from high end PowerShots, including their DSLR styled superzooms, to digital Elphs, D series, N series, and low end A series compacts. Now that Canon has added new 1" (G7 X) and 1.5" (G1 X II) sensor models to their fixed lens mirrorless lineup, all that remains is to freshen up their one APS-C (EOS M2) interchangeable lens mirrorless offering once they identify a genuine demand outside of Japan for such a camera. "Waste not, want not". This is how profitable camera companies stay profitable. Any questions?
Donnie, thanks for setting the record straight about Canon's utter and near-eternal DOMINANCE of the so-called "mirrorless" market segment.
Yep, just need to "freshen-up" that EOS-M (if the whole idea of removing mechanical components and miniaturizing electronics REALLY catches on) and the ultimate camera line-up will be achieved.
Banhmi: DPReview, the equivalent aperture vs. equivalent focal length chart is confusing when both the x and y scale are continuously changing. It makes the chart misleading.
Thanks Richard. I now understand what constitute standard full-stop f-numbers and that, if you take the aperture values (AVs) that correspond to these f-numbers, then the y-axis can be perceived as incrementing linearly. Ideally, I would have already known this!
That said, if the the AVs were shown next to the f-numbers on the chart, then the many time-constrained visitors to this site who are still coming up the learning curve would be more likely to immediately understand this chart's formatting (although this would admittedly add clutter).
Maybe it's just me but I think it's harder to read when the units on the y-axis are changing from 4 - 5.6 (1.6), to 5.6 - 8 (2.4), to 8-11 (3), 11-16 (5). It makes it harder for me to determine exactly what is the y-value is for any particular x-value in the areas between the horizontal guide lines.
In particular, I'm trying to infer what *exactly* is the equivalent aperture range of the LX100 since its got a four-thirds sensor but doesn't actually use a significant portion of the sensor.
Imagine if Apple was like "well Samsung has made some pretty innovative products that have sold quite well lately using a technology that is clearly the future of our industry... we'll have to study this new market segment carefully and decide if we're actually going to try competing."
...That's basically how Nikon sounds about Sony.
DPReview, the equivalent aperture vs. equivalent focal length chart is confusing when both the x and y scale are continuously changing. It makes the chart misleading.
Donnie G: I'm surprised at the number of armchair camera designers here who are so upset with Canon for not turning its excellent pro-grade, deliberately built for action photography, APS-C camera into just another consumer grade, jack of all trades, wannabe pro pretender. Meanwhile, the real camera designers and engineers at Canon will again be laughing all the way to the bank as the EOS 7DII proves once again to be the only true professional level APS-C interchangeable lens camera system in existence, today, tomorrow, and into the foreseeable future. :)
Isn't "professional level APS-C" a contradiction in terms? (for a stills camera?)
Puked in my mouth when I saw the low light IQ at ISO 3200.
Edymagno: Dangerous times to buy expensive glass.
"Dangerous times to buy expensive glass" -- I was thinking the same thing but, on the other hand, MILCs have existed for a decade and are JUST starting to truly chip away at DSLR dominance with the Sony A7-series... pro-quality curved sensor camera systems will probably be similarly slow to evolve and achieve acceptance.
forpetessake: After the detailed article about the lens equivalence one could expect DPR would stop writing "24-1248mm equivalent F2.8-5.6 zoom lens", but here we go again. I guess the advertising dollars are more important than truth.
How about DPR standardizes publishing the sensor size and then saying: "24-1248mm equivalent, f/15-29 equivalent"?
Then we won't have to do the math in our heads EEEVERY TIME!
Nukunukoo: We have two RX10s for video (attached to Ninja 2s) and for a few months now, I can say that it sure matches and even edges out the 5D3 especially on low light! They're great on gymballs especially with their weight and remotely zoomable lens. They are not perfect though, sub-par focusing methods and sure would be great if it can use a touch focus system, especially via tablets. A better CODEC like the RX100M3 would be very welcome, and a faster zoom would be fab.
Do that on the next RX10 and you have a Wedding Video Killer!
Many seem to favor zoom length over lens quality. The zoom range is fine for me. I'd take fixed aperture any time.
OK, so I think we're all clear now that the FZ1000 delivers superior output compared to the RX10 and, to top it off, comes at a better price.
<yawn> another high price, low performance nikon mirrorless that no one will buy.
Another photographer with a morbid fixation on depressing subjects.She could've balanced out a visit to the graveyard that is 'Kodak city' with a visit to Irvine for the fertile fields of 'RED city'.It's tumultuous, but the USA remains the undisputed leader in innovation.
Some of my favorite photography on DPR in a while
plasnu: Does anyone still choose DSLR over this at this price point?
Of course! -- the U.S. market is full of mildly retarded people who are obsessed with giant cameras and have absurd ideas regarding the quality of mirrorless cameras.
sevoman: Quick question regarding the 70D. I want to purchase this but I am wondering what the eventual T6i would offer over and above the 70D. I am not sure how the "Ti" line and the xxD lines compare and if the xxD models are always better than the Ti lines? I checked the 60D vs T5i and the 60D seemed to be better. Can anyone explain these different classes of Canon cameras? Thanks in advance!
most critical issue will be whether the new t6i/750d will get the 70D's autofocus system.
Banhmi: Does it come with a built-in app to turn my phone into a PLA spy camera?
no, I definitely mean PLA.
Man... even Pentax is better!Now I know why DPR snubs these things -- they deserve to be snubbed!
Photato: I don't know why people keep comparing this Canon to the Sony RX100. Different sensor size, different overall size and different zoom range.When compared to ILC cameras, then this Canon G1XII is not so impressive.For the same money people can get a much better package getting a Sony A6000, is like.... no comparison.I don't know what was Canon thinking by intentionally crippling this camera in features that wouldn't cost anything to implement, my ancient Canon Pro1 has features this camera doesn't have and lets not get started comparing it to what a smartphone can do these days.Unless Canon is happy to charge much less of the suggested price is my guess, but I don't see this camera selling well.Another camera for the landfill in a few years.Sony A6000 is much more interesting option for about the same price.
@Richard Butler:Per DPReview's own specification pages:a6000: 120 x 67 x 45 mm = 361800 volumeG1X Mark II: 116 x 74 x 66 mm = 566644 volume
So please explain how is the a6000 "considerably larger"?
Does it come with a built-in app to turn my phone into a PLA spy camera?
I'm pretty irked that they reduced features from the original a77.
Specifically, I actually really LIKE GPS now, even though I originally thought it was pointless.