The Sony Sensor in the latest Olympus models already does produce decent 6400 iso pics.
But I am glad to see Kodak's entry in MFT. The more vendors, the merrier.
BSweeney: With an Olympus product, wait a year for a 40% price drop. 2 years, 70% price drop. They need to price the camera at a reasonable price, recover NRE over more sales, and lower product turn-over rate. My lesson learned with the EP2.
If you have money to burn, love u43, go for it.
I bought an E-PL1 over two years ago for $300, a 40-150mm for $99 and Sigma 30mm for $199. I don't have money to burn and have taken thousands of great photos.
bryanbrun: You don't buy this lense over the Panny 20mm b/c it focuses faster and silently, you buy it b/c the bokeh is so much better than the Panny 20mm.
The Panny 20mm suffers from harsh pancake bokeh.
The Oly 12mm with the same build and features is one of the top selling lenses on amazon for CSC. Oly is duplicating that approach.
You guys don't know what the F you are talking about.
Go search the m43 forums for 20mm and bokeh. The examples of the harsh Panny bokeh are everywhere. The issue is most apparent with bright OOF highlights. The 20mm highlights are not rounded or smooth, they are harsh and ugly.
I can find numerous reviews of the 20mm where the bokeh is faulted.
And yes there is such a thing as pancake bokeh, seen on lenses from years ago such as the Nikon E Series.
You don't buy this lense over the Panny 20mm b/c it focuses faster and silently, you buy it b/c the bokeh is so much better than the Panny 20mm.
It will not be easy breaking the news to my E-PL1. I am about to crush the little guy's heart.
Do the series of E-P3 grips fit on the the E-PL5? This seems like a great way to transition your gear to new camera bodies, which don't seem to have much shelf life.
Buy the Grip, the EVF and the lenses and let the body and sensor underneath improve every 2 years.
The sensor on this camera is a step down from the GF3.
Maybe Panasonic could cut a deal with Olympus for the sensor that is in the new Olympus OMD?
Come on Olympus, Panasonic is falling behind, lend a helping hand!
frosti7: CSC's are downin september? hmm....i wonder if the fact that pretty much EVERYONE are waiting for NEX-7 to arrive has something to do with it?
Seriously, its suprising that a site like dpreview wont mention that piece of the puzzel
Everyone is not waiting for the $1200 dollar NEX-7.
This is not to say there is no demand for that camera. Once the comparatively large amount of pre-orders have been filled for the NEX-7, there will be no large scale demand for it. It is too expensive.
Maaku: I've played with oneThis camera's awesome ..! 10 fps with no finder blackout , extremely fast focusWith the adapter my 70-200 2.8 becomes a 189-540 2.8 .. 10 fps ..!This thing has the potential to be a really great sports camera.It's very well made and a lot smaller than it appears. The kit lenses are very well made,
The question is ,how long before they bring out the normal fast prime
Yeah, but your 50mm lens becomes a 135mm eq. which is difficult/impossible to use indoors.
Sports photography is a niche.
Does anyone else see thousands of Nikon 1 users backed into the far corners of rooms trying to take something besides a head shot?
bryanbrun: Too many weaknesses:
10-30mm lens. Wow. 20mm of total focal length control.
650 - 900 price.
No depth of field control without mounting a 100mm lens.
Lenses are too large compared to Micro Four Thirds.
No wide angle lenses.
Controls are gimped. Why no PASM on a $900 camera when the dial is there?
Due to sensor size and 2.7 crop factor older Nikon lenses will be difficult/impossible to use.
There is no value proposition when you compare this with a $500 dollar Olympus E-PM1, which can mount an array of very small and high performing (~F2.0) lenses.
There is little or no interest in the Nikon 1 format. Take a peak at the Nikon 1 forum to see the definition of moribund.
The only place for this system is at a $300 to $500 price point with an array of small pancake lenses.
"The 50/1.4 will be a brilliant short tele, the Micro 40/2.8 will "equal" the 105/2.8 FX Micro, the 85/1.4 will be a very potent sports tele lens."
A 50mm lens on the Nikon 1 becomes what? something like a 127mm?
That lens is useless to me inside my house.
The crop factor of older lenses on this system makes them useless in the vast majority of shooting scenarios.
Too many weaknesses:
The Nikon 1 is a science experiment gone horribly wrong.
They pumped up the read speeds on the sensor to such a high level for the video and frames per second that they sacrificed Noise at low ISO. Any high end P&S will take a better picture at low ISO than Nikon 1.
At this price point the Nikon 1 is in a different market segment than Micro Four Thirds and high end Point and Shoots.
A market segment that doesn't exist.
magnumgf: Nikon deserves much praise. They managed to launch a bland looking, expensive camera that can almost compete with micro four thirds! Congratulations. Their next task will be much harder, finding people who will actually stump up the cash and buy that thing...
Why didn't Nikon just make a micro four thirds camera?
"MFT is an orphan format which has already been "beaten" by mirrorless APSC, convincingly IMO. "
This is comical false.
MFT cameras from Panasonic and Olympus are gobbling up ILC market share in the Japanese market.
Nikon is running scared. And the Nikon 1 is their answer?
Camp Freddy: Crumby image quality.
"not aimed at enthusiasts" say Nikon
Who pays this kind of money and ISN*T an enthusiast??
This camera was created for a market that doesn't exist.
People just have not yet realized that they want spend over $500 for a camera with no depth of field control.
thephotobox: I think the samples look good. I also think Nikon was smart to go with this sensor size. Like they said, this camera is for p&s users. Take my parents for example, they have a DSLR, but they never use it because it's too big. When traveling they want somehting small. And while the body of something like the E-PM1 is tiny, the sensor size still calls for a larger lens. Even more so for the NEX. The Nikon J1's smaller sensor allows for a smaller lens, and that makes a difference. Even from the V1 to the J1, drop the EVF and it's that much more appealing to carry around. People who care about large sensor size have a lot of choices out there. There's no shortage of options. But people who want portability with good results can make use of this camera. Same for FujiX10, decent quality with portability. Let's not forget that the iPhone is the most used camera on flickr.
The smaller lens of the Nikon is a 10-30mm.
Who wants to spend $700-$900 for 20mm of focal length control?
That same lens allows for no DOF control. It can't provide for the smallest amount of background blur on a portrait.
Your parents would be better served by a Panasonic LX5 or Olympus XZ-1 which have F2.0 and F1.8 lenses with huge zoom ranges.
bryanbrun: If the Nikon V1 had a F2.0 kit lens that allowed for DOF control, then it might have a chance.
The Nikon kit lens is 10-30mm at 3.5 max aperture on a tiny little sensor. This is weak, weak, weak.
Who wants to spend $900 dollars on a camera and end up with a grand total of 20mm field of view control with an aperture of 3.5 which allows for no DOF control?
No one. There is no market for the Nikon V1.
Nikon needs to release a real kit lens, without it the camera can't even compete with XZ-1, LX5, so just forgot about competing with the artistic control that the m4/3 and NEX allow.
"If you want DOF control get an APS_C, better, an FF camera ;-)."
No I prefer a micro four thrids with the Oly 45mm 1.8 lens, or the Panny 20mm 1.7, or the Canon 50mm 1.4, or one of the other great m4/3 lenses.
The APS_C and FF cameras are too big.
"It's funny how that "tiny little sensor" is not only competing"
It competes wonderfully at high ISO. Great!
I don't care about high ISO, anything under 1600 is fine and m4/3 does a good job with that. I don't take pictures with my F2.0 lens at 3200 ISO.
I care about putting a lens on the camera that allows for subject isolation, for basic DOF control without using a 100mm equivalent lens. Nikon created a system without DOF control using a gimped 10-30mm kit lens that no one I know as a photographer would want.
If the Nikon V1 had a F2.0 kit lens that allowed for DOF control, then it might have a chance.
This is a well written informative piece.
But you should never put a model in such an unnatural obviously uncomfortable position (sitting backwards in the rear of a car).
The weirdness of that distracts from the aesthetics of the shot.
bob-one: retro looks for the sake of being retro does absolutely nothing for me especially at the expensive of ergonomics and bulk to get the "retro look" . At this zoom range unless this camera with it larger sensor and retro looks unless it has good ergonomics and consistently turns out absolutely stunning pictures , I would still prefer the Panasonic LX5 for daily/street compact camera. Also why the manual zoom? That in it self is a turn off and a major draw back when shooting hand held video. I was giving serious consideration to the Olympus pen e pm1 or the e-pl3 until I got to handle them at samys cameras in Pasadena Ca. Both cameras have nice retro looks but are slick and very hard to hold. Due to the lack of buttons on the camera to give the a "clean" look they have overly complex menu systems that bury useful functions behind a plumbers nightmare menu system. The pen e-pm1 and the e-pl3 get a A grade on looks a D grade for ergonomics and user friendless. I need a more than retro .
Buy one of the third party grips for the e-pl3 or e-pm1 and your problem is solved.
BKK Street: As a very satisfied (thrilled actually) Panasonic G3 owner (with 20 1.7) I thought the Pen Mini would be significantly lighter than the G3. According to the respective Panasonic and Olympus websites, G3 is 9.31 oz w. battery and SD card and E-PM1 is 9.34 oz. And the G3 has a built in flash, EVF and tilt/swivel LCD touch screen. And a new generation sensor. All for about $200 more. It's well worth the price difference.
Yeah, but the E-PM1 will go into my pocket and the G3 with the DSLR hump and protruding EVF will not.