Richard Franiec: Still no love for EOS M?Possibly smallest and (currently) least expensive camera with APS-C size sensor.Incredible line up of supported (via adapter) EF/EF-S lenses.You can get the kit with a nice lens for much less than any of the cams mentioned in this round up. In fact it is less expensive than most advanced fixed lens compacts mentioned in "leave the DSLR" section.We all know about the M's quirks but even slight mention would be nice and well deserved.
I think it's right that the EOS-M has been left out. Canon seem to be treating it as an expensive mistake they'd rather forget. The point that it can use EF/EF-S lenses is moot, the NEX cameras can use Alpha lenses, the m43 cameras can use Oly E-System Zuiko lenses, yes, all with adapters. Not that you'd really want to - all these DSLR lenses are badly unbalanced on the various mirrorless systems.
So the EOS-M has just 3 native lenses with no sign of any more (less than m43, or NEX, or NX, or XMount, or Nik1), and even after the firmware update, still focuses slowest of all of them. Oh, and is between Nik1 and m43 for noise and DR.
Yeah, what an absolute bargain!
Hmm, having tried out the "clicking" lens wheel of the S110, and the "clickless" lens wheel of the RX100, it's my personal opinion that the clickless version is nicer to use. But I see Andy and Richard disagree with me, so the Sony and Fujifilm get a negative because of it. I would advise anyone thinking of buying any of these to try them out for yourself, which one of these types of control wheel suits you best is a very personal thing.
Joseph Mama: That looks really cool. I am very surprised they didn't release a pancake prime at the same time. That would do a MUCH better job of emphasizing its small size and making comparisons with a Ricoh BR, RX100, etc in terms of pocketability.Even that kit zoom looks HUGE on it, and its 1.2 inch bulge does detract from its ability to actually pocket the thing.
No need for Panasonic to release a pancake prime at the same time. Since Panasonic already have two out there ready and waiting to be mounted on this baby. Who knows, they might sell another SKU with one of said primes instead of this zoom lens. You could even go "cross brand" and get another one from Olympus.
M0P03: I wonder why Allison compares GM1 and Q7 & RX100? Direct rival is Sony NEX-5R (T) 16-50 kit.I wonder why Panasonic marketologs have cut a grip to make body more slim, if thickest part is a lens, not a grip.
As someone has already said, the difference in sensor area between this and a NEX-5R is SMALLER than the difference in sensor area between this and an RX100.
An APS-C sensor is not 'much' larger. Stop spreading falsehoods.
Raist3d: "Ultimately, despite its authentically semi-pro appearance, the E-M1 is still a pretty small camera, if compared to DSLRs. The disadvantage the previous top-end E-series cameras had was that they ended up being as big as any other DSLR (the E-3 and E-5 were essentially the same size as a full-frame DSLR, at which point it became hard not to measure it against those cameras). The E-M1 may be large for a Micro Four Thirds camera, but it's not big in the grand scheme of things."
SPOT ON. Been saying this for years now :-)
When a company firesale discounts not just the bodies, but the lenses, it's a sign the whole system is on the way out. EOS-M is dead.
sambomax: Small sensor is not good regardless of any feature.Entry level FF DSLR has 4 times bigger sensor and only 200g more weight. Cost? Almost the same.
@Danlo - Why? Because not everyone is YOU, that's why. What YOU want isn't the be all and end all. And I think you'll find m43 has a lot of primes to choose from, so YOU could just ignore all the zooms and just buy primes, which might keep YOU happy. But I doubt it.
Hmm, DPR, you put a f/3.5-5.6 lens on that Nikon. Surely the 17-55mm f/2.8 would be a better comparison? Which would have made the Nikon look even larger side by side.
munro harrap: Is it a catchall? Perhaps planned to entice would-be users of a better future machine? You can buy one now and gradually kit yourself out with nice Cosina/Zeiss lenses made for the mount and then "upgrade" to a better body-but trapped in the world of APS-C?
Covering all possibilities Sony again seems to be refusing to accept that the way forward for everybody is 36x24mm sized sensors. Their useless RX1 full-frame £2000 machine with no viewfinder? A "rangefinder" with no viewfinder, when the NEX-7 series finder would do perfectly? But releasing E-mount small sensor lenses and ignoring the Leica type market at full-frame level? Questions, Questions: its a jack-of-all-trades, master of none philosophy that maybe fits well into our lost and confused modern world, but I live on another planet and it makes no sense to me. Its just to maintain the market for APS-C? Nah, we,ve all got at least one already- so?
You are pre-supposing that anyone buying one of these will buy any additional lenses....
Dimit: ..and make it clear: this is not a NEX camera,this is the cheapest apsc,evf fitted camera for sale today,as simple as that.
Its a NEX 3N, retrofitted with the Alpha A58 sensor, and put in a shrunk version of an A58 body. Oh, and it has the NEX user interface. Its more NEX than Alpha, clearly, no matter what brand they put on it. Actually putting Alpha on it is a bit dumb, if the buyers of this then buy a second lens, they might be confused about what mount type they need on the lens.
Greg Gebhardt: It might look like a DSLR, does it focus as fast as a DSLR?
It will focus as fast as the NEX 3N. You can draw your own conclusion.
meanwhile: Why is there no rugged XZ-1? Why is there no rugged S110? Why no rugged LX7, or GR or anything with decent image quality? I really don't understand this camera not existing. Surely there are enough photographers looking for something they can take somewhere there is water around, or their camera might get knocked, or the environment is otherwise not camera friendly but where they want to be able to get quality shots?
Is a quality lens inherently and inevitably breakable? And if yes, why doesn't someone just come out and SAY THAT?
All the cameras you mentioned have lenses that extend from the body when powered on. It is not possible to waterproof such a design (and since it stick out of the front, it would be vunerable to knocks).
All these toughened cameras use folding optics - there is a right angle prism just behind the front element, so the whole lens stays inside the body.
However, that doesn't stop anyone making a tough camera with a 1/1.7" sensor, as used in the XZ-1 and S110. It does make a lot of sense, combining the water/shockproofing of these with the better image quality. No Smartphone could get anywhere near such a camera.
Admittedly, they did announce this lens last year, but they didn't announce it was going to be a "PanaLeica" (made by Panny, designed by both, QC by Leica), or that it was going to be optically stabilised.
This thing is going to be eye wateringly expensive!
Marvol: Interesting that Panasonic is moving away from in-lens stabilisation, especially given that Sony is also rumoured to have IBIS in its upcoming new line of NEX cameras.
Is that because IBIS turns out to be cheaper than designing every lens with OS? Is that in the hope of luring consumers that can use legacy/3rd party glass? Is it because lenses can be made smaller and lighter? Or a combination of these?
This isn't evidence of "moving away" from OIS, the kit zoom you can buy this with has OIS. I see Panasonic continuing to put OIS in its zoom lenses.
No, this suggests that market research pointed to likely owners of this camera using primes more than zooms (all the press photos show it with a 20mm MkII for instance). Only one m43 prime has OIS. So this is a way of giving IS to prime users. No doubt the camera will automatically turn it off if you mount an OIS lens (what Oly call Lens IS Priority).
UnicornNz: It looks like Panasonic has come a long way since the G1, which was around the time of the Canon 450D/500D. Has Canon advanced it's product line as much?
Now now Markus, I know your m43 is an Oly but that doesn't mean you shouldn't know how much the G6 has improved over the G1:
The AF time has halved, pretty muchThe Sensor is higher res and lower noiseThings like white balance and colour reproduction are betterThe EVF has increased in res and has better colour renditionThe LCD is now touchscreenThe number of programmable buttons has increased so you can customise it better to how you workThe grip is much more comfortable
sean000: In other words... we can market only one technical specification number at a time to non-enthusiast consumers. After years of telling consumers that it's all about the megapixel count, we now want them to know that it's about the sensor size.
The larger issue that these companies face is that the market has reached a point when the current technology is good enough for most consumers, so it will be tougher to sell them on future upgrades. Enthusiasts will continue to get excited about what's new, but the general consumer market is much greater in number. For many of them, the image quality is already good enough... especially when you're just going to dirty it up with an Instagram filter and share it on Facebook. The biggest complaint my non-enthusiast friends have about their phones or P&S cameras is that they aren't responsive enough. They care more about getting the shot quickly (and in focus) than they care about the image quality.
"They care more about getting the shot quickly (and in focus) than they care about the image quality."
I'm sure this is why entry level APS-C DSLRs sell so well, and very rarely get used with any lens other than the kit lens. I'm sure these customers are not in the least interested in an interchangeable lens camera. They've only both the DSLR because it focuses so fast, tracks what you focus on, and has a good burst rate (so they can "spray and pray"). If one of the camera companies come up with a "compact" camera that can focus that fast, puts WiFi on it so you can get your shots onto Facebook, and then market the hell out of it, they'll have a hit on their hands.
Does this mean it can only focus on vertical features, not horizontal ones?
Mk7: I suppose Panny's market research tells them there's a market for large "micro" cameras. Let's hope, for Panny's sake, they're right. Too big for my taste. Waiting for GX2.
Its gained 2mm in width and 2mm in height over the G5. The depth is the same which I guess means the grip is no bigger, just a better shape.
The G5 is not a big camera (yeah bigger than the GX1, but add the EVF to it and then compare), and neither is the G6. The more angular shape just makes it look more chunky than it is.
kaiser soze: With this camera and the other larger MFT cameras that Panasonic makes, it is obvious that the body is large in relation to the lens. It is further obvious that the reason is that for these cameras, the body needs to be larger in order to allow a useful quantity of physical controls. This is all very obvious. There can be no argument on these points. There can be no question that this camera could just as easily take advantage of an APS-C sensor, and not even the lens would be larger, because similar lenses that Sony makes for NEX are not any larger. None of this is in any way deniable. Furthermore, when the various size differences are all considered, it seems apparent that if Sony were to make a mirrorless camera with FF sensor, it would be about the size of this camera, albeit with a somewhat larger lens. (The lens would not be nearly as large as a lens for FF with mirror.)
The lens as seen in the photo does look a little too small compared with the body. However, this is the Panasonic 2013 standard kit lens, and was designed so that the GF6 is a more compact package (the old kitlens looked way too big on the GF series... almost NEX like). They are going to use the same kitlens on every camera... its just that on the more block fronted G6 its a bit swamped.
Put another zoom lens on this G6 and it will look much better proportioned. Go to four-thirds.org, choose the matching simulator and try it out. The bigger grip will work well if you use the 100-300mm supertele zoom.
108: Would it kill Olympus to add a built-in viewfinder ? Uh ? Nice look though.
Markus, this one is likely to be as pricey as the E-M5, if these shots are marketing material, look at how they are positioning it - Gucci bag, Armani and Bulgari cologne bottles (no idea what brand those shoes are, they are probably Italian like the rest of it and don't look cheap).
However, I agree with you that Olympus should release an entry level model in the OMD range, below the E-M5 or its replacement. A proper G6 competitor.
geoson: I think photographers are unmatched in their ability to be gear heads and Luddites at the same time. To say that NO enthusiast would use a camera without a viewfinder? Will there be no great photos from a cameras without viewfinders? Please!
@marike6 the posters use of the word Luddite is unfortunate and incorrect. But his point that there will be plenty of enthusiasts that would use a camera with no VF is not wrong. You yourself Markus, are an enthusiast and use cameras with and without VFs.
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