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Mk7: I suppose Panny's market research tells them there's a market for large "micro" cameras. Let's hope, for Panny's sake, they're right.
Too big for my taste. Waiting for GX2.
Its gained 2mm in width and 2mm in height over the G5. The depth is the same which I guess means the grip is no bigger, just a better shape.
The G5 is not a big camera (yeah bigger than the GX1, but add the EVF to it and then compare), and neither is the G6. The more angular shape just makes it look more chunky than it is.
kaiser soze: With this camera and the other larger MFT cameras that Panasonic makes, it is obvious that the body is large in relation to the lens. It is further obvious that the reason is that for these cameras, the body needs to be larger in order to allow a useful quantity of physical controls. This is all very obvious. There can be no argument on these points. There can be no question that this camera could just as easily take advantage of an APS-C sensor, and not even the lens would be larger, because similar lenses that Sony makes for NEX are not any larger. None of this is in any way deniable. Furthermore, when the various size differences are all considered, it seems apparent that if Sony were to make a mirrorless camera with FF sensor, it would be about the size of this camera, albeit with a somewhat larger lens. (The lens would not be nearly as large as a lens for FF with mirror.)
The lens as seen in the photo does look a little too small compared with the body. However, this is the Panasonic 2013 standard kit lens, and was designed so that the GF6 is a more compact package (the old kitlens looked way too big on the GF series... almost NEX like). They are going to use the same kitlens on every camera... its just that on the more block fronted G6 its a bit swamped.
Put another zoom lens on this G6 and it will look much better proportioned. Go to four-thirds.org, choose the matching simulator and try it out. The bigger grip will work well if you use the 100-300mm supertele zoom.
108: Would it kill Olympus to add a built-in viewfinder ? Uh ? Nice look though.
Markus, this one is likely to be as pricey as the E-M5, if these shots are marketing material, look at how they are positioning it - Gucci bag, Armani and Bulgari cologne bottles (no idea what brand those shoes are, they are probably Italian like the rest of it and don't look cheap).
However, I agree with you that Olympus should release an entry level model in the OMD range, below the E-M5 or its replacement. A proper G6 competitor.
geoson: I think photographers are unmatched in their ability to be gear heads and Luddites at the same time. To say that NO enthusiast would use a camera without a viewfinder? Will there be no great photos from a cameras without viewfinders? Please!
@marike6 the posters use of the word Luddite is unfortunate and incorrect. But his point that there will be plenty of enthusiasts that would use a camera with no VF is not wrong. You yourself Markus, are an enthusiast and use cameras with and without VFs.
With the redesigned 30mm being $199 I think most people were expecting this one to be around $299, so this is way cheaper than I thought it was going to be.
As Markus says, if this is as sharp as the 30mm, this lens will be a big seller at this price.
A 12mm next please Sigma!
bobbarber: I don't get wifi in this class of camera, unless you also give it a keyboard. Just don't get it. In phones, sure.
The WiFi is just for connecting to your smartphone, not for connecting directly to a hotspot. Panasonic have written an app for iOS and Android, and for Android devices, the peer to peer WiFi setup is done by NFC, start the app, tap your phone against the camera and you are done.
mpgxsvcd: I understand that this is an internal focusing lens. However, is it an internal zoom lens(like the 35-100mm F2.8) as well? Does the barrel extend when you zoom?
The picture does not make it clear whether it extends when you zoom or not.
@Pops57 That minimal extension at full zoom is impressive.Metal mount as well. And the MTF-50 numbers are not too bad for a m43 kit lens (better than the lens it replaces, that is for sure).
Alex Hubenov: All I want is a new 4/3 body !!!
I don't get this obsession with smaller camera bodies! Why would one sacrifice so many good things just for a smaller body? And who is it good for? Snappers and tourists? The 4/3 gear is still more compact than NiCanon DSLR's and the Oly lenses are unmatched!
Come on Olympus, give us a good new 4/3 body this year!!!
Enthusiasts travel too, you know...
Nature photographers will go hiking into the wilds to get their shots.
There are plenty of examples of where "serious photography" and "weight saving" are not mutually exclusive.
OniMirage: So all but confirms no E7 or 4/3 body. They are targeting the E-XXX users with a new product to be able to use SHG and HG lenses. On sensor PDAF or hybrid with a m4/3 mount on a larger than EM5 body.
@Stu 5
This suggests there is going to be an E-M5 successor, with PDAF, for E400/500/600 users, and a higher (and probably larger) model for those hoping for a E7. So a E-M6 and E-M60?
Timmbits: Their perception of where the battle is right now, being:
"it can offer a big difference from smartphones"
pretty much explains the recent 1/2.3" xz10 introduction (and Fuji's small sensor mega zooms as well).
Perhaps listening to what users want would better help compete, expand market share... and the smartphone wouldn't even be an issue.
@marike6 regarding compacts, Mr Terada was giving a business reply - "we are focusing on 3 sub markets, and here is the business reason why".
"The thought that snapping a pic with a phone is photography" may be uncommon to the readership of DPR, but it is VERY common to the public at large. The readership of DPR alone cannot keep any of the camera makers in business.
ammac12: The majority of consumers are in the "affordable" camera market. I am sure they have poured over the numbers and recognize where the biggest potential for growth in sales lies. Unfortunately, the comments above sound as though it's not in larger bodies with high priced lenses. The compact market of point and shoot is the zombie camera of choice. Just point - click and ahhh, you have a picture. Face it, smaller and less expensive is the future.
I wouldn't be surprised if further "consolidation" of Rebel bodies continues. No sense in overspending on a declining segment in the camera consuming market. As a result, new technology will be slow to roll out.
@marike6
Not consolidation of the entry level DSLRs. Consolidation of all other DSLRs.
What Maeda-san has just said is he's in the business of staying in business, not in business to provide products for "low volume" markets. So the high volume is:
- Truely pocketable Point & Shoot
- Entry Level APS-C, and he doesn't care if that's in a SLR or Mirrorless config, because Canon are developing these 2 in parallel (the 650D and the EOS-M are 2 versions of the same camera).
For everything else, at present there are too many product lines, so the number of choices will be reduced/consolidated. Hence semi-pro APS-C days are numbered.
What makes no sense is he doesn't see the need to use relatively larger sensors to differentiate the "truely pocketable" models from Smartphones, that are having the P&S market for lunch...
lenseye: The calculation in the article is wrong... the crop factor affects the focal point only (35 x 1.5 = 53.3) but the lens speed of the adapter + lens combo will stay the same at 1.0, not 1.5! When you mount a FF lens on an APS-C camera the lens speed does not change!
Someone should have checked the article before posting!
For exposure, yes the lens speed will be f/1.0. But that part of the article says "that gives the same depth-of-field as an F1.5 lens would on a full frame camera". Which is correct.
This is one of the reasons I cannot stand all the "lens equivalence wars" that break out on DPR, its damn confusing, and it gets quite boring quite quick.
The biggest market for this device is video shooters (the EOSHD crowd are going nuts over it). For them, the slow AF is not an issue since they mostly manual focus anyway, and putting a big lens on a tiny camera is no issue for them either, since they use tripods and rigs (the adapter has its own tripod mount for just this reason).
One thing not mentioned in the article at all is that the adapter gives you aperture control from the mirrorless camera body, since the EOS system is all electronic aperture control, the cheapy manual focus lens adapters that are out there for NEX and m43 can only use EOS lenses wide open. So thats aperture control, an angle of view closer to the original, and a stop brighter. Just those 3 advantages alone will be enough for this to sell well.
The m43 version will be an even bigger hit - the GH2/GH3 video community cannot wait to get their hands on this thing.
Cmcduffiephoto: I absolutely love my EOS M and have an on- going project that's it's been exclusively used with. I question the data this gentlemen speaks of as every review points out the slow AF and lack of viewfinder. I would love for mirrorless to be a DSLR-killer, but I doubt Canon will be spearheading this initiative.
Things that put me off the Nikon 1 system:
No manual focus ring on the lenses (you have to button push to get into MF mode then use the dial on the back of the camera)
Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority and full Manual Exposure are equally "buried".
No bracketing (why?)
If Nikon sorted these out, the 1 system would be a winner.
Andrew Butterfield: He says once you go below APS-C the next logical size is 1/2.3"... So why does the S110/G15 have a 1/1.7" sensor?
@Gothmoth This discussion is not about their current profits, it is about how Canon see the market going, how forward thinking they are, what are their plans to react to new competition.
And the answers in this interview has clearly got a lot of current Canon customers very worried.
You need to look beyond the end of your nose pal.
don_van_vliet: Err... the G1X is not APS-C.
Also: "...we're not seeing the EOS-M users making use of a variety of lenses.". Does the EOS-M have more than two native lenses yet?
No, it doesn't. So thats a bit of a self fulfilling prophesy, isn't it? What does he mean by "a variety"? Do they really expect someone is going to buy an EOS-M and then put EF-S lenses on it with an adapter? You might as well buy a T4i. This statement looks like Canon just don't understand the Mirrorless market at all.
Actually, in lots of the answers in this interview, Maeda-san comes across as quite clueless.
b534202: 300mm, f/6.7 and no IS. They just don't want to sell to Panasonic body owners eh?
@agentul There isn't a whole lot of overlap between the Olympus and Panasonic m43 lens lineup. Only really any overlap in the "kit zoom" range, the "short tele" zoom range and the super tele zoom range that this lens handles.
For certain focal lengths, for instance if you want a normal prime, only Panasonic make them. But there are plenty of good Olympus lenses (the 45mm, 60mm, 75mm, 12mm, 9-18mm, 40-150mm) that likewise Panasonic camera owners use.
For me, this lens only makes sense on the OM-D EM-5, because its in body IS works while you are composing as well as at exposure. All the other Oly m43 cameras have IS that only works at exposure, so composing hand held can be a bit "wobbly". So if you have a PEN, the Panasonic 100-300mm has optical IS built in, so that's another advantage for choosing it over this lens.
marike6: It's hilarious to see the m43 fans beaming with pride because their camera won a popularity contest. The fact is "Reader Polls" are almost always driven by fans voting for whatever camera they own.
But it seems some actually believe that the results of an online poll are some indication of superiority. All I can say is if you shot with a 5D3, A99, D800 or D600 it's doubtful you'd vote for an EM5.
@marike6
Read the comments. There was a vote rally on the Nikon DPR forum and on nikonians.org. "All I know"? You mean to say you know just one thing and you even got that wrong?
> if you honestly believe the EM5... is a better camera
> than a D800 or 5D3, then you are simply delusional.
This statement is false. Its the basis of your understanding of this popularity poll (yes, you are at least correct there, this was just a popularity contest), and therefore you are rejecting the result as invalid (and calling those that disagree with you delusional).
Lets float a concept past you....
There is no absolute best.
There is only best for the individual. Best for me, best for you, best for someone else.
Lots of other people have a best for them that is different to what is best for you. Accept it.
The "beaming with pride" bit is probably because the D800, which is a very fine camera, looked like a dead cert to win this. People are pleasantly surprised and are therefore celebrating.
Alejandro del Pielago: NEW POLL !!!
How long the Nikki fanboys will cry ???
Options:
a) Two - three months
b) Until they try to take pictures
c) When they realize that it is just a poll
d) Never
Oh, so the majority of Canon/Nikon users are using D700, D800, 5D MkII or 5D MkIII? Even the majority of Canon/Nikon owners posting into these comments have those cameras? That 650D or D3200 users are "using the current standard for pro/enthusiasts"? Please, lets have a serving of reality to dilute the cognitive bias here. The cash cows of Canon and Nikon are their entry models, which benefit from a "Halo Product" effect generated by their top end models.
What you see as an "insecure need", I see as supporters of disruptive technology who what to depose the incumbents, the hegemony, by showing others there are alternatives. Having a duopoly in this part of the camera market is no good for anyone.
There are plenty of comments from CaNikon SLR users in here, that they barely knew the EM-5 existed and are only looking into it because of this poll. So now they know of an alternative. It might not suit them, but at least THEY KNOW its there.
Just Posted: For those that want to know the truth of what was taking place behind the scenes at other sites as well as here, you might be interested that this was going on before the poll closed in most of the popular four thirds forums you can just google "camera of the year 2012" and threads like this will pop up -99.9% of them all fourthirds to push the EM-5 ahead of the Nikon:
http://www.mu-43.com/f42/camera-year-2012-dpreview-38309/index8.html#post375117
This is just one example, if you go back some pages or forward or to the other sites there is much more.
Very intertaining, this "camera of the year" cough * *
Unless someone can show otherwise the Nikon is probably more of the legit winner.
No need to attack me, I'm just the measenger. Peace!
@DigitalVista:
> there were no efforts from the other camps to do this
There is plenty of evidence that the Nikon camp did the exact same "get out the vote" canvassing. You just want to ignore it because it blows your little conspiracy theory out of the water. And of course you agree with the OP, you ARE the OP!
@Josh152 I have seen no juvenile attacks from anyone that can be called a m43 fan. Annoyed, exasperated retaliation to other peoples juvenile attacks, yes, but they are not the people doing the attacking. When people make franky loony statements that NEX cameras are more pocketable and AF better than m43 cameras, it does make most m43 owners want the set the record straight.
You will find that the m43 user comments are not "proving m43 is better", they are correcting misinformation spouted by just about everybody else.