why no 64 or 100 ISO?
Eric8255: The actual saying is:
Amateurs talk about gear,Professionals talk about money and masters talk about light" - but your point is well taken
That is why I am professional part time: so it stays as fun, yet it pays itself and I can justify to buy the gear I love to talk about...
ZJ24: DPR should really introduce an IQ test as part of posting comments. This would reduce negative comments about cameras designed for sport, action and event professionals by around 95% judging by this thread.
@ ZJ24 I do not think that anybody that writes negative comments questions what these camera are capable of. However I am going to ask you a question:do the upgrades in the camera reflect 4 years of development? I mean, look at what Sony has done in 4 years.To me this is just milking the market and pacing as slow it can be done from a marketing point of view, elegantly dodging any form of cannibalization. Btw, Nikon just the same, just a bit more brave about cannibalization, but it kind of had to in order to gain market shares.
MyReality: The megapixel amount is not a trade for anything. This is a PRO sideline sports camera . Pros shoot for the web and publication. They don.t need more than 20MP.
@ Teila DayAgreed, however many other cameras nowadays will do most of that. Spray and pray turned me in a very lazy photographer. Since I started shooting with slower camera I am actually getting better images. For instance, I shot recently side by side with a dear photographer a dance shoot. We would generally both show up with our 1Dx. This time I had my A7RII instead. I captured the moment just the same way as he did. Actually, I generally got it right the first time more often than him, because you are committed to that one frame. However my pics turned stunning at 42MP and crafting the image with a far more malleable file.
Eugene232: is any reason to make a cameras so big and heavy?as this camera for professionals does it mean them need to carry at least a 1 extra body and a few lenses?
@ Teila DayI am really not sure, Teila. I used to like that a lot too it just feels nice. I mean I even used to go around as a tourist with a 1Ds and 70-200 around my neck all day long, or shooting a full soccer game with a 1DX+300/2.8 without a monopod. I have to admit that after using for a while cameras like the A7+grip it is hard to go back, especially if you use dense heavy lenses all the time. It has a fulfilling grip yet the weight of a DSLR without the handgrip. It is very agile. The mass damping is not really needed either because if IBIS.
didn't you know they sell by pound?
nekrosoft13: Boring.... and again behind Nikon...
@ BarnET "153 af-point vs 61 nuff said"AF performance requirements are not based on AF points. There are MANY situations for which these cameras are built where 14fps vs 12fps makes a big difference. If you are a sport photographer you know that. These cameras are really more niche than ever and they are all about speed, and you say that 14 or 12 all the same? Sure -4 ev is cool, but not enough to say that D5 is better that 1DXII. Dual pic and superior 4K make the 1DXII more all rounded. To me at this level is more what the photographer can get out of the camera than the camera itself. Which brings us back to the original observation: nekrosoft13 is a troll.
armandino: I was really hoping to see innovation from the D5 and 1DXII. We will have to see the performance in the field, but such incremental changes. To me this was the time to show off some significant new trades, the next generation will be too late. This segment will become even more niche than what it is right now. DSLRs are doomed before the next generation of these cameras will be out. Only the most demanding photographers for ruggedness and AF speed will need such monsters. But even these features will not be domain of this elite of dinosaurs for very long.
@ badi not so much. I am one of the many who shoot intermediate level sports very happy with 1DX performance, not needing the 1DXII. Diminishing returns, fewer feel impelled to upgrade. I bet Canon will sell much fewer 1DXII than 1DX. The only possible reason is a massive ISO improvement, but I am skeptical on that.
@ mgblack74 the problem is that you view mirrorless as they were a couple years ago. They are much better now, do we want to bet where they are going to be in 4 years with the next iteration of this dinosaur? Already now I pick my A7RII over my 1DX 9 times out of 10. A7x rolling out with a new generation every year with massive improvements? Btw you are underestimating an A7 series with a battery grip. Sure, shorter battery life but your argument not so valid anymore. And even less valid about ergonomics, still leaving you the option of carrying a tiny FF if you want to. Besides, it is still possible to build a solid and large mirrorless, see the Leica. Mirrorless is not just about size, but what it has to offer in terms of evolution. DSLR are at seeing twilights, mirrorless are at dawn.
mais51: No I'll wait for the Mark III
Hopefully the next one will be called 1Dm, for mirrorless, or it will be extinct.....
@ Battersea very true, the problem is that they find a very stiff competition: their previous generation offering pretty much the same for half the money or less. Btw, with you list of selfie and such you might want to add studio, reportage, wedding, and any other type of professional photography that is not exceedingly demanding sports.
I have a 1DX, still use it for sports and now and then when I decide to take a video with my A7RII while shooting. Or when I want to feel manly. Sure it is not going to see an upgrade any time soon or at all.
I was really hoping to see innovation from the D5 and 1DXII. We will have to see the performance in the field, but such incremental changes. To me this was the time to show off some significant new trades, the next generation will be too late. This segment will become even more niche than what it is right now. DSLRs are doomed before the next generation of these cameras will be out. Only the most demanding photographers for ruggedness and AF speed will need such monsters. But even these features will not be domain of this elite of dinosaurs for very long.
Mssimo: Does it still have 11 stops of dynamic range?
5Ds is 12.4 stops, it is likely to be as good. What I think it matters most it that ISO/DR db for this sort of camera, like it is for the D5 and the A7S. High base DR not as relevant as rate of drop with iso
that is right, 14fps and 4K 60fps. Dual pic tech for video focus tracking (and frame grabbing). I do not think the 1DX was behind Nikon either. It took a second try (D4s) to get in line, sort of.
jimrpdx: Guess I'm too old to get the allure of really fast WA lenses. Bokeh was never among my reasons to shoot wide, and size matters to me so Pentax 15mm f/4 or the 10-17 fisheye zoom will do fine. I'd like my entire set of lenses to weigh 950g!
funny people get wrapped up about incremental creativity improvement in new cameras yet a massive creative improvement within a lens is a meh.
nimrod1212: Quote: "It's also the widest member of the Art lens family". 'scuse me awl over the place, but I thought Sigma already had a 19mm "Art lens"?
To me the number is irrelevant, the covered angle is. The 20mm FF covers the largest angle thus the widest. Pretty easy. Sony Cyber-shot HX90V sports a 4.1mm lens yet it only covers a 24mm equivalent angle.
misspiggy01: you are very generous that you are showing the canons at a max iso of 200 and save them the embarrassment of the comparison with the sony at 1600!
the lens is very impressive. a lot better than my nikkor Ais 20mm f4 which gets acceptable corners only by f11. but then the nikkor is so small that i always have a hard time finding it in my bag!
3 years older tech though... Pixel count does not matter that much up to ISO 6400. My A7RII would do just as well with 42MP. Facts are that there is no much difference among any FF up to ISO 6400 in terms or noise and this images is fine but nothing racial, really. Optics and carefully working out your exposure is more critical. For instance such stationary subject with a 24mm/2.8 could have been shot easily at 1/30s at ISO 1600. I could have shot that with my A7rII at 1/10s at about ISO 640. Actually I would have shot it myself at f2.0 or 1.4 taking it down to iso 320-160 (with this sigma lens, which I have).
My 1DX easily matches that. Pretty aggressive noise reduction.
@misspiggy01 boy you are all over the places then.1) Argument was not clearly stated "canons" is definitely not just the 5Ds2) This is the highest resolution FF camera, compare normalized noise and level of details. Besides, this is not marketed as a high iso camera. 3) Your argument was about high iso embarrassment, now you are talking of low iso samples?
As JACS well put you cannot really judge fro these pictures either anyway. I.e. the D750 grain looks horrible in the pictures in the following article because of the post processing applied http://www.dpreview.com/articles/3609990856/dpreview-gear-of-the-year-2015-nikon-d750