Scott Eaton: As a current Canon owner that has vowed never to buy another Canon dSLR again there's nothing in this preview that has changed my mind. Looking at the side by sides of the 7D 'Service Pack II' -vs- the Nikon 7100 I am still utterly astonished at how the Canon gets away with such trivial I.Q. improvements and yet their fan base keeps marching forward. If you objectively look at RAW side by sides the 7100 only falls behind in high ISO noise, but still has a significant lead in detail and color resolution. Plus, the 7D SP II *still* sludges high gamut reds like the 7D and 60D before it.
If you go to DR Resource the difference in detail between the two cameras is even more astonishing. I give credit to Canon for improving the noise floor, but it was dismal to begin with in the 7D and 60D.
To which Canon fans are going to slam my comments, but I stand behind my observations. If you are a soccer dad who likes to claim to be a pro while living in FB it's the perfect machine - like the 7D.
it is not a small niche, it is a big business. I already know several photographers buying this camera, which will sell very well. Again for what it does there is no other on the market right now. 10fps is huge too, do not underestimate this capability on a camera for sports. At times you only have one good opportunity in an entire game. You want a sequence of that, believe me, not a shot or two, likely with the eyes closed, or the arm or the ball in front of their face. Other times you have simultaneous events: at high frame rate you can be more effective in a shorter time and ready move to the next event with confidence. D7100 and D750 are no sport cameras for pros the 7D is. I would not use as my main body, that is what a 1DX is for. But the 7DII makes for an excellent companion for the light weight, comparable performance, low cost, and extra reach.
It strikes me how bad the Sony SLT-A77 II is in noise when compared to the peers.
@ BarnETOne big one: sports. I am talking serious business sports, not amateur/enthusiast.You see, amateur/enthusiasts have the luxury of messing around, missing the shot, playing with the photo. the professional photographer needs to deliver the shot that nobody cares if might be a bit more grainy or the shadows cannot be recovered as well. Superior AF, 10fps, a deep buffer will do the job. Ironically Neither the D750 or the D7100 deliver ANY, not just one, of the above. I think we already had this conversation in other threads, I find hilarious and entertaining that you just keeping on going on with this. You are no sport photographer, so leave this camera and its forums alone.
Joe Mayer: No real surprises. The mk2 seems a tad better than mk1 and still far behind FF.
I do not find most 4/3rds value for dollars. Maybe for the body, but not for the glass.
@ BarnET,I repeat: the Sigma+D7100 is a nice combo, but how good can it be if you cannot get the job done with it? You got to shell out the money for the tools you need. That is not just a photographer rule. Now if you are an hobbyist than it is a different story, but I tell you: for pros this is a no brainer second/third body, so please stop your ridiculous Crusade against the 7DII
different cameras for different purposes. The 7D is a pure spirit sport camera the D7100 possibly has better IQ. This edge might be useless if you cannot get the shot in first place.
Donnie G: I'm surprised at the number of armchair camera designers here who are so upset with Canon for not turning its excellent pro-grade, deliberately built for action photography, APS-C camera into just another consumer grade, jack of all trades, wannabe pro pretender. Meanwhile, the real camera designers and engineers at Canon will again be laughing all the way to the bank as the EOS 7DII proves once again to be the only true professional level APS-C interchangeable lens camera system in existence, today, tomorrow, and into the foreseeable future. :)
For fun I picked up a K3 at the camera store and tested it. Neat camera, but whoever designed the body must have hands completely different from mine. Canon cameras fit my hands like a glove, the K3 felt really like had an awkward grip. This is clearly a personal experience, but I simply cannot shoot any extended time with the K3 especially with a big sports lens on it.
ProfHankD: Not something I'd be buying, but it's good to see Canon doing something innovative. It does make the 4-pound Sigma 50-500mm f/4-6.3 EX DG HSM look small, light, fast, and cheap, but cinema lenses are never cheap and this does have 2X the focal range of the "Bigma" not counting the teleconverter. ;-)
c'mon! Why not? this is a perfect $78,000 walk around lens for any mirrorless!!!!!
armandino: Thank you Dpreview for giving us some raw conversion examples. Very useful indeed. It would be nice if you had a more systematic way of presenting these images, consistently showing unprocessed and processed images as few examples indeed are, but no one at low iso. A few base iso with heavily pushed shadows would have been nice to see as that is what 99% of the people here are curious to see. On a different note it seems to me that shadow recovery has indeed improved considerably but again not easy to estimate from these examples. Some of the very contrasty conditions look to me as adequately handled with DR. I cannot detect banding even in the high iso samples. Keeping my fingers crossed...
Thanks Samuel, that is indeed one of the images I looked up and I though promising. Just I was hoping to see a bit more aggressive processing to see the limit of the sensor.
considering that this is all flash light, why so much processing? Why adding one stop in post? Could not get the flash exposure right in first place? Just curious
liking what I see so far, I also know that I'm definitely skipping the kit lens if I get the camera
AJC Photography: Sorry - but the usual RUBBISH 'real world' examples. Maybe 'real world' for some newby in auto mode with no concept of exposing for a certain area of the frame or setting in-camera WB. WAY too many over-exposed images here - shot in horrible harsh or flat lighting. The usual LACK of shallow DOF, fast glass stuff. Anyway ... enough too see that there is minor>tangibly good improvements over my 60D images (at least 1 ISO stop improvement), very very little difference to 70D.
@AJCwhere do you see the overexposed images? I only saw the one with the little dinosaur, all the others look bang on to me. Contrasty light and total lack of contrasts are likely chosen on purpose to challenge the camera sensor. It does not look to my like you really know what you are talking about. I hope you have more than just a 60D for adding Photography at the end of your name.
maboleth: Noise looks more like a film grain, very very nice. Also there's no banding in the deep shadows. Bravo Canon, 10 light years better than 7D!
agreed lensberg. This is looking very promising for a sport camera in my opinion.
datadump: rhiaadfasfgasg this is absolutely crazy superb
I agree, this is not bad at all. A bit more a tweak on the noise and sharpness and I can see this image to be decent for the iso. Not too far behind my 1DX.
SaltLakeGuy: I am by NO means a fanboy of Canikon. But I have to tell you (as if you don't notice it) the new Nikon D750 runs rings around this new Canon. There is NO question the MkII is a decided step forward in IQ, however it's not in the same zip code of definition and low noise (particularly above ISO3200) that the D750 is pulling. I'm sure the Canon faithful will love this offering. But it is what it is.
WTF? SaltLakeGuy needs to drink some of the water of his lake so it can get some salt in his brain too...Comparing a FF to crop? When did you start learning about sensors? Yesterday?Btw I would like to see people with the fabulous D750 shooting sports...
Peter Gurdes: overexposed.
that´s where my sony a6000 shines.i can expose for the sky and push the shadows and it still looks great.with my canon DSLR´s i have to be much more carefull.
also the sony a6000 seems to hold much more details.well compared to the images samples here at dpreview at least.
ps: and this 18-135mm is really mediocre glass as it seems.
what are you talking about? It is not overexposed at all as there is not highlight clipping. Check the next picture and see. It is actually perfectly exposed in my opinion.
Eric Calabros: Well.. We have a DR disaster here
actually both metering and WB are good. Metering avoided blown out whites and the shadows are within recovery range as the next image shows. The images is half lit by the sun and half in the obviously much cooler shade, so the WB needed to compromise.
Yannick KREMPP: OK I'm sold. I think these are good enough improvements over the last generation.
I agree, but I need to mess around more by myself with the final raw files, so far so good though
Thank you Dpreview for giving us some raw conversion examples. Very useful indeed. It would be nice if you had a more systematic way of presenting these images, consistently showing unprocessed and processed images as few examples indeed are, but no one at low iso. A few base iso with heavily pushed shadows would have been nice to see as that is what 99% of the people here are curious to see. On a different note it seems to me that shadow recovery has indeed improved considerably but again not easy to estimate from these examples. Some of the very contrasty conditions look to me as adequately handled with DR. I cannot detect banding even in the high iso samples. Keeping my fingers crossed...
Scottelly: Wow. Reading more of the comments here and thinking about the missing features, I think Canon could have really hit a home run with this camera, if they had included GPS (like the Nikon D5300 and Sony A77 have), Wi-Fi, and a tilt screen (like the 70 D has). I know there are some people who will claim the tilt screen would make it less weather proof, so I'll admit that might not be as necessary for the type of shooting someone might do with this camera, but no Wi-Fi is just unforgivable. I think it should be able to match the Sony A77 in speed too, so it should be able to do 12 fps. I guess Canon was worried it would compete too much against the 14 fps 1Dx though. Sad. They could have really done it right . . . and maybe attracted me back into the fold.
Matter of taste Scottelly,again wifi and tilt screen are not a good idea for the use of this camera where ruggedness has priority. Clearly you are shopping for a different product, so please go write your comments elsewhere. You are asking for prime ribs in a seafood market and you are complaining you cannot get what you want.