ThePhilips: > ISO Invariance
Oh my. Since I'm not much interested in the stuff, I have missed half the page #10. The most interesting half.
And - oh my freaking god - this is finally happening!
Finally, ISO starts becoming just another exposure variable, not exposure handicap!
BSI FTW! Bravo, Samsung!
Of course tecnoworld, again iso invariance a very useful to have, especially if used in a moderate range. I apply it myself. My point on my first post was that there cannot be a true ISO invariance because in one case AD conversion happens before and in the other after. ThePhilips rightfully brought up that for most practical application there is likely no real distinguishable difference (I am not so sure when underexposing dramatically). Then I wonder why the industry made the effort of switching from 12bit to 14 bit AC conversion if quantization is not to worry about. If you have to underexpose to get the right shot and capture the highlights, by all means, you got to do what you got to do. I find that many do it just because it can be done even it the exposure does not need it. I use Canon and Sony gear. I learned that 90% you do not need it and the pictures look more natural. As a matter of fact with Canon I tent to shoot +1/3~ +2/3 with no highlight clipping in most situations.
Peiasdf: The only thing I like about this review is the cheerleader on the last page. The camera is so meah I don't think it deserve an award.
Back when A77 & A65 was coming out, DSLT sounds exciting with all the advantage of PDAF, EVF and none of the slowness associated with EVIL/mirrorless. 4 years later, the best EVIL/mirrorless camera from each brand can all match DSLT in speed while DSLR extends it lead in IQ. Frankly I don't see a point with DSLT anymore.
I so agree about the cheerleader! Got my attention too! Should have more pretty ladies in these reviews :-)
armandino: I tried it at the store and I fell in love with its mechanical feel and traditional controls, and the optics!However considering the price it should offer higher resolution and/or better IQ. I am not particularly fond of the way the EVF is implemented. I ended up buying and A6000, I think for the money offers a lot more. And the controls are still a pleasure to use. Ideally I would have wanted this camera with the sensor and the features (AF, fps etc) of the A6000. Oh well, I guess time for shopping for metabones and keeping my finger crossed that Sony at some point will release a decent competitor to the Canon M lens 22mm/2.0
@ moe,agreed, but at this price point I expect a better performer all around. A6000 is less then 2/3 of the price with the kit lens. This camera is not a lowlight and 4K video monster like the A7s, so I would rather get a bit more resolution and be able to crop without resampling on a 4K screen. Not to mention that you can stick a much faster lens in front of the A6000 if you want. I got my metabones and I got to say coupled with my Sigma 18-35/1.8 ant it is pretty cool although not compact :-P
What I am saying is that people might think : "forget it then, just underexpose the heck of everything and fix it after". I have seen Nikon shooters consistently underexposing 2 stops or more. I say get the right exposure if you can, use iso invariance if you have to. Underexposing instead of getting it right will make a poorer images, not to mention poor practice anyway. It is up to the photographer to choose if that matters or is insignificant.
This is not entirely true. The the definition of "exposure invariance" hides some truths you cannot get around, such as quantization. As much as grain might be not varying much you are still dealing with gain before or after AD conversion. That means that if you shoot several stops darker you are compressing your signal on the left side your histogram and a good chunck of your AD conversion is wasted. It is a bit like consistently measuring something only 10 cm long with half meter long ruler or so: 4/5 of the length is wasted and your precisions in the measurement pays for it. By any means "iso invariance" is great to have but abusing of it makes for worse pictures and there is no way to get around this. Increasing your AD conversion to 16bit or higher could help, but your files get huge. I think true wide dynamic range will come from Video technology once global electronic shutters will be here for still photography too.
SnakePlissken: Someone needs to tell Harris that Nikon, like Canon, are finished and will be in liquidation very soon and he should sell all his equipment and go mirrorless. Does this pro not read DPReview message boards or what? Get with the times Harris!
@57evenas I said, I shoot both styles. I have a Sony A6000 which is pretty close to the state of the art in terms of AF and burst rate for mirrorless. Not even close yet to a 1DX, and so is ISO performance and lens options. If you want a full frame mirrorless the weight saving is more marginal and AF performance is not that good yet on Sony A7 (some models are better than others but they are all pretty mediocre in AF speed).
Meh, a couple of good shots here and there. But nothing eye popping or I am missing something. I think #7 has the most in terms of moment, composition and lighting.I do not consider myself much of a street photographer but I am more pleased from my own pics a single afternoon in Rome than this whole selection.
I think different gear bring different results and goes with different styles. I do street photography with both mirrorless and DSLR. I am very pleased with my images from my 1DX with a 70-200/2.8. A bit of an extreme isn't it?Blazing fast autofocus, a camera that because on the opposite spectrum few people on the street even think is being used for street photography, plus learning framing by just pointing the camera without looking at a viewfinder or screen can be surprisingly effective and fun.
George1958: superb camera, its a pity its a Samsung, otherwise I might have considered buying one.
whatever makes you happy dude, happily live your Korean dream!
AHAHAHA maybe because KIA sucks after all! Do you have one? My parents managed to buy it and selling it less than one year after.
@MacroBokehno, it means that in order to gain ground they have to entice the clients with everything they got. Even if might cost them more. Aggressive marketing. Now I have a couple of questions for you:What are the KIA ratings in impact safety?Do you really believe that KIA will implement recall as diligently as Toyota and Honda?These are expensive acts of responsibility
Gionni Dorelli is spot on. Also, I do not expect everyone here to have experienced interaction with Samsung not from a customer point of view, but R&D collaboration. Many here would be taking less lightly the very aggressive unethical and ruthless strategy by Samsung. Which is really a cultural aspect that I do not necessarily deprecate (everyone evolved differently for their own reasons and environmental constraints) yet it does not suite me and I bet many others here once they get crewed over by it. I just rather not take my chances. Again I have a beautiful Samsung UHD TV and a Galaxy Note, but they are just disposable electronics. I do not care if Samsung supports or not any of these in 2 years.
@George,I completely agree with you. I do not mind buying Samsung for short lived electronics (TVs, phone, etc). However I would not invest in a camera system with a long term investment. I can easily See Samsung dumping the camera market chasing a new hot market if that makes financial sense. I am sure that it is a hard working company, but it looks to me that it steps on everybody feet, bodies, heads to gain ground and then easily moves on if that is the case without ever looking back. Customers? Entice and allure them with a more shiny product, moving on? not Samsung problem worrying about all the orphan clients out there.
ttran88: Lots of praises here and I'm sure the camera is great but with a company like Samsung and its rich history of "astroturfing", which praises are real?
And as recent as last week..
I find this company to be extremely unethical and I personally wouldn't want to support this behavior with my money.
I do not think "Ethical" exists in their vocabulary. Or if exists it responds only to the concept "mors tua vita mea". Samusung came to visit my research lab with the excuse of collaboration, but industrial espionage I think was really more appropriate as their intent definition. I do admit that i prefer that to their collaboration, as another research group of dear colleagues of mine had to bear this even more daunting experience. I personally purchase Samsung disposable electronics, I would not invest in their technology.
Benjamin Kanarek: Samsung need to manufacture really fast fixed focal length lenses to compete with the likes of Nikon and Canon. Also a larger sensor (FF) would be more appealing to me as a Fashion photographer. I prefer the rendering on my fast lenses like my Nikon DC 135 f/2.0 lens. Nicer bokeh.
it is not just about sharpness
Samer AlBaqshi: i just pre-order Canon EOS 5ds R and im afraid that i will have problem with moire & any low pass filter self cancelling effects problems .
second if i will print my image on maximum A3 size or A2 . do you think i will see a different between Canon eos 5d mark III and Canon Eos 5Ds R .
i dont want to pay duble price for Canon eos 5dsr insted of Canon eos %D Mark III just same result if i will print my picture only in A3 size most of the time.
so please give me a pro advice about this case .
@mpgxsvcd fanboy hang out elsewhere, thank you or bring constructive comments.@Samer why preordering? Are you in a rush? What sort of clients do you serve? If you use A3 or A2 you will not see any difference really. If your print at 200 ppi you cannot distinguish a difference. At 5750 pix on the long side you will not see much difference up to 28 in or 70 mm on the long side
Exposure latitude comparison is really nice to have! Are you guys going to add some of the other previously but recently released models? Like the Sony A6000?
Rob: A holster bag is a much better solution, because it allows for quick access, but still have protective cushioning as well as storage space. Just wear it across your shoulder and it doesn't fly around like typical bags or neck-straps. I tried a few different brands and models, and the current one I use is the Ape Case ACPRO650, which fits my E-M1 with the 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro attached, and also a 45mm f/1.8 placed at the bottom of the bag. There's no unwanted friction between the extra lens and the camera because I use lens hoodie, which provides soft cushioning protection.
It depend on the use. If you are hiking around and you withdraw your camera occasionally I will agree, but if your primary activity is photography, like a shoot, wedding etc there is nothing like the spider pro.
gene2015: Here is a small problem using holster. Most Camera has a mount connected to the body with 4...6 tiny 2-2.5mm screws. Lens has a flange connected to the lens body with 3 to 5 screws with same 2-3mm in diameter. This is the weakest point. Having lens hanging down puts tremendous stress on those screws. Just walking like this eventually would destroy lens or camera mount. Lens weight as well may load retention spring in the camera mount and creating a small gap which let dust get into sensor chamber and into the lens. If you love your camera and your lens like photographer care of them and hold them in your hands. Have camera strap around your neck as safety. Use appropriate bag to transport. Those open air holsters are cool but they are recipe for disaster... Sorry to companies who create this products but not sorry to people who use it without proper consideration.
I have carried my bodies this way with obscene lenses attached to them for years. You have 1/4" tread on the bottom. Do you have any idea of the carrying load of such a screw size?
Jylppy: I use Spyder System for DSLR and I can say that wrist-grip + belt-attached-holder is the best way to carry a camera. I have tried all the alternatives and nothing compares. No more long straps to get stuck on, no more difficulties to take backpack away, no more camera-as-pendelum moments while leaning forward. This particular model looks complicated, but in general waist-holsters are superb way to carry a camera.
Oh, no more hurting shoulders either, but that is a problem only for DSLR folks like me ;-)
I agree 100% the most effective and and ergonomic way to go. I cannot believe I see pros still with cameras dangling from their necks, so clumsy. Never mind getting low on the ground...I have it set up for 2 bodies, now I need cowboy boots and a good leather hut.