Mike FL: If Canon want to beat Sony in High ISO IQ, cut the sensor pixel count by half.
I guess Sony has made a deal with Evil that nobody else will ever be able to better their sensors? Why BarnET are you always so negative about Canon sensor tech? Sure lagging now for a few years, but Canon made the first large scale switch from CCD and their sensor were the best for a while.
magneto shot: gives me a very dated feeling looking at it. something like g10 or so. sometimes the form needs to be inspirational. learn from leica.
some idiots just love complaining, the better the camera the more awesome is the feeling.
zodiacfml: nice but too late.
why, you just bought something else?
Patrick H Lockwood: I see some comments here where they are suggesting that this camera will only have a value for sports shooters. As a wedding shooter who owns a 7d, here is the camera's value for me. First, in combo with 5d, I like the 7d's apc sensor which, in church, the extended reach using a 70 - 200 ( effective 112 - 320) is invaluable. My current7d produces very usable shots at IS0 5000 in low light ( though the exposures have to be right on ). So, if the ISO reach can go higher, that plus the focal point tracking improvement ( shooting candids ) this is a camera I definitely want to own. It won't replace the 5dmkIII, but it makes a formidable companion.
the files do not look like with same rendering, but with same resolution and same Canon engine processing look very similar. No surprise at all. I am interested in DR and banding when manipulating shadows. It is well possible that this is no mayor improvement, but nobody can say until we see proof of it. All these imaging-resounces files are jpg straight out of the camera, they not say much to me.
I did that, no information on dynamic range, noise somewhat similar, but that is not a surprise, noise in the 70D is not an issue and close to the competition.
I do not see anything conclusive there, would you mind to elaborate?
Donnie G: I'm surprised at the number of armchair camera designers here who are so upset with Canon for not turning its excellent pro-grade, deliberately built for action photography, APS-C camera into just another consumer grade, jack of all trades, wannabe pro pretender. Meanwhile, the real camera designers and engineers at Canon will again be laughing all the way to the bank as the EOS 7DII proves once again to be the only true professional level APS-C interchangeable lens camera system in existence, today, tomorrow, and into the foreseeable future. :)
@Banhmi: no it is notI am looking forward putting this baby next to my 1Dx for long range, not needing a tele extender. I.e. my 500/4 on the 7D and 70-200 on the 1DX on a soccer field.@ fakuryuthe pentax k3 is a fine camera, but for sports does not have the lenses, and for who shoots sports with Canon Pentax is no option, besides $1,000 is laughable when compared to lens cost. Also, close yet not as good as the 7DII in AF/fps/buffer
Ahah! wait and see ;-) Life is goodBtw goot to see Nikon keeps it up shopping around!
7D is a different level camera and it will take time before it will be updated, given that current Canon sensor is lagging already I seriously doubt Canon did next to nothing to this sensor. So far the tests I performed on files found online are supporting my opinion. But I understand that most non-Canon users love keeping on bashing. Let's not forget that Canon is pretty much the only brand out there not running to Sony begging for sensors.
Sure, 7D, what do you know of the 7DII? I am sure you all owned one and you are familiar with the IQ. THIS IS A NEW SENSOR. Funny how everyone is keeping on assuming same all same all.
Serious Sam: Between the D750 and 7Dii, there is a $500 difference and from what I can see it is easily justified...FF, WiFi, Tilted And better LCD, a proven phase system..... just to name a few.
Of course there are sadly too many Canon shooters that got suck into the system and now has lens stock that prevent them from moving away from the system.
I wrote lately in an Australia forum that Sony has change the pricing and product cycle of FF cameras it seems Nikon is catching on....just not Canon. I wouldn't be surprise though as friends in channel tell me Canon are as arrogant as they were ten years ago.
Finally DPR, we have heard enough about Canon in the pass few days already. Please talk about something else.
Gee Serious Sam are you Seriously Serious?33 raw buffer vs 12, 10fps vs 6.5? Ruggedness? Very likely AF (this is supposed to be as good if not better than the 1DX, which is superior to ANY Nikon camera). 7D is a sport camera the D750 is not. Cut the crap out and move on.
Photo Van: I've had my 7D for the past 4.5 years and have enjoyed it very much. If the new model is half as good in regards to build quality, feel, responsiveness and, for us "just plain enthusiasts", fun factor, this new one is going to be absolutely fantastic - just like the 7D was when new. Hey, it doesn't cook eggs,(presumably) but it surely is a fine photographic tool that, I'm sure will reward the user with high DSLR performance for many years to come. I've only got 10,000 or so clicks on my 7D and never even upgraded the firmware and it has never had a hiccup.Buy a good camera and enjoy a good camera. Keep it for awhile and get to know it. Think of how long you used to keep your old film cameras. Five years is nothing.
thank for sharing Photo Van!see your style a 6D might suite you better. Unless the DR of the new sensor is really that good.
mmcfine: If you don't like it don't buy it! If you like photography first have something interesting to photograph, use the best (interesting) lens you can get, know how to post-process using RAW. Then you can buy a $200 used Rebel or $3000 5D, it won't make a massive different.
dropbox? I used cubby, a similar service. Did you look at the ones I edited? I really exaggerated beyond and realistic use yet the files managed, not even raw, just jpg.
DarkLoxodromy: On the sheet seems a little bit superior to D7100.On which model should point a new buyer (photographically speaking not video).I had always pointed on Nikon D7100 because 7D was outdated. Now what do you suggest?
@darKLox.....If you are looking at the specs from a sport photographer point of view (and this is exactly why the 7D exists) D7100 and 7DII are not even in the same category sorry. One is a sport camera, the other one not even close. The 5DMIII is even better than the D7100 at that.
MediaDigitalVideo: How long will this 7D Mk II on the market ? 2 years ? What will other progressive brands do in the meanwhile ? I'm gonna buy that new Mk II logo and put it on my 7D.
clearly you do do not need the upgrade. Wise saving the money
Gee please not again! this has been beaten to death! how to compare apple to oranges. Way to go.
BalasmicVinegar: So checking various UK sites, the 7D MK II is to retail around £1600. The 6D which is full frame retails at £1300. So is the 6D going to be replaced by a 6D MK II? A 5D is 'only' £700 more than a 7D MK II.
Canon seem to have got their pricing a bit messed up.
It would actually bother me if it had a swivel touch screen. Compromising integrity. WiFi would be nice, but tough to get the signal out of a Faraday's cage. This is a full metal body. You need a proper wifi add on for a reliable signal and professional use.
ThatCamFan: Sorry Canon I jumped ship after seeing no improvements in noise for years. I doubt this camera's image quality will be much different from the 70D if not identical.
Canon milks the cow by changing names of cameras while keeping the same old sensors & low light performance. I am glad I jumped ships.
But I will give them that 10fps is impressive, I just wish they would not feel the need to paint lenses white nor copy paste every single camera's sensor instead of doing some innovation.
So far I am seeing DR like never before in any Canon cameras. Note that I tested on jpg as I cannot open RAW yet. So you can expect even better. No evidence of banding.
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@BarnETplease evidence of banding, I did not see any in a single picture even at +9 stops in the deep black. And this is the worst scenario on jpg, 8bit files. I think much of the blotching would go away from RAW. Does it bother you so much the possibility that Nikon aficionados will not be able to brag anymore about the only thing Nikon might have had a lead over Canon in the past few years?
jamesm007: Speaking only for the USA. Mirrorless sales are at record low levels. So are dSLRs. But dSLR sales are still much higher than mirrorless, why. The web sites such as this one and manufactors are driving away buyers. Once you buy a Pentax K-5, Nikon D7000, Canon 7D, or any FF. There is little to compel a person, a newbie an enthusiasts, a semi-pro, the money makers for manufactures, to buy another until this mirrorless thing goes away. By that I mean for mirrorless fans to stop trolling SLR forums. Its hurting sales overall! Everyone is doing it all wrong! Your confusing and pushing people away!
Its clear in all data that most in the USA and Europe don't want mirrorless as much as dSLR systems. Plain and simple. Once everyone learns this, you can steer the ship in the right direction. People would rather jump off the ship than forced into systems they dislike.
I am unable to open the Raw files, but shadow recovery on these jpg is excellent, like I have never seen in any Canon camera.