DPReview007: It is funny how Canon gives you better resolution, a touch screen, a better AF system (than the 6D), a pop-up flash on its cheap, entry level DSLRs but none on its full frame bodies. Why? Why?
I got a Nex3Nfun little thing with a great sensor for casual shooting. It comes with the same 16-50 lens which is a great lens for the purpose. All very good for what I paid for new, like $350. I would definitely not spend much such a mediocre performing lens. The problem is that if you want good optics there they get big, heavy and expensive quick. With a limited selection too.
QuantumPhysics: My Canon 6D is the last camera body I will buy from Canon. It sits on a shelf, while I enjoy myself, using a Sony Alpha MII--a camera that does everything well and is packed with useful features. I am as happy with Sony as I am disappointed in Canon!
Now Canon thinks it can sell us with twice as many pixels! Isn't that a 2X enlargement? If I want to make really big prints, my Hasselblad 500 C/M is a good bet. 4x5 and 5x7 also work very well, for any pro gig--while Canon does not. Hasta La Vista, baby!
different tools for different people baby. Happy to see you found what you need. Now would you mind to hang out in Sony forum would you?
Mmm.... $30,000 strapped on a drone...
wvargas95: Another camera, Why can't Canon change the design of the camera, They all look outdated, and now I need another camera so I can do landscapes and high definition. This is getting ridiculous. I remember when I only had to worry about was the exposure and my composition, now I have to worry about finding the manual before I take the shot to make sure that I have all my setting correct and the hell with the photograph, let's make sure that I have my 50 megapixels and my adjustable mirror bounce whatever and my $3,000 price range and the need for additional lenses because my $2,000.00 lens doesn't have the corner sharpness required for my 50 megapixels. The heck with all this.. I am going back to film and my Nikon F.
Let me understand, you complain that the design is outdated arguing that it should go 20 years back? I think I am missing your point or you are confusing me.On a general note I would like to applaud Canon like no other brands for incremental variations in camera bodies keeping what was good from previous generations and building on it. My 5DIII, 7DII are pretty much identical, and the core functionalities are the same as my 20 years old Eos A2E. Yes, you need a manual for but not really for every iteration! It is after all a complex instrument if you want to use its full potentials.
mpgxsvcd: One very important thing to realize is that you can't even pre-order these cameras until April 30th and they won't ship until June. Canon showed us cameras that they aren't even close to finishing yet.
4 months from now is a long time in terms of camera development. It really sounds like they realized that they wouldn't be the first to market with this high of a megapixel camera so they just decided to announce it first.
Other manufactures know that announcing unfinished cameras isn't much better than announcing vaporware.
And even if it does not change? I mean for tech specs list it looks pretty official, from sensor performance we no virtually nothing about how good it is as it stands now.
bobelvedere: I wonder if we will be able to exploit this resolution for anything.
The problem is that all lenses have a maximum resolution they can provide. Putting a 50 mpix camera behind a lens with lower resolution will give you pictures with the resolution of the lens - at most!
Looking at DXO Mark website I don't see any lenses with a resolution supporting the new Canon cameras. Therefore, it would be a complete waste to buy these cameras. Do I misunderstand something?
I use a 1DX a 5DIII and 7DII. The 7DII is basically a 5DS crop. If there was no purpose in making denser pixel sensors a crop sensors should not be more that 10-12MP. DXO is cool but I find my own field experience is even cooler ;-)
Greg Ness: As someone deeply invested in Canon, I eagerly awaited this new camera(s). However, my heart skipped a beat when I heard Canon developed the 50MP sensor in-house. Like many photographers and industry pundits, I assumed Canon would utilize Sony sensor technology in these new cameras to close the growing quality gap between their sensors and those offered by Sony (and consequently Nikon).
Yes, Canon was first to announce this milestone, but this is not territory they will own for long, nor will they be a quality sensor leader at this level. It seems they are applying their 20.2MP 7D II camera sensor to a FF format (which has 2.63 times the surface area of the APS-C) to reach this 50MP level. Sony could similarly apply that same technique to their outstanding a6000 24.3MP APS-C sensor to yield a 55MP camera that will have superior image quality to Canon’s sensor at an even higher resolution. I’d only be surprised if Sony/Nikon DIDN’T announce this soon.
What are you thinking Canon?
I'd like to add that the 7DII has a very good sensor, much better than previous canon sensors catching up with Sony. Do not forget that this sensors has twice as many pic because of dual pic technology. It Canon engineers managed to make a single pic tech sensor with a slightly better base iso performance this camera is a winner.
It is just an assumption of many that this is 7DII sensor sized up. Odds are that it is not. Or not entirely. I.e. it does not have dual pic and it is not optimized for high iso performance but rather low iso performance, so it is has opposite of the 7DII objective. As much as many here think that Canon engineers are idiots, it does not take much to see that per pixel a 5DIII or a 1DX does a much better job in studio than a 7DII, so this camera would be a total nonsense if it had the same per pixel performance as the 7DII at base iso. Possible, but unlikely. I would wait that the camera gets reviewed before pronounce anything. I do not hold my breath, but I do have a good feeling about this.Do not forget Canon used to make the best CMOS at some point.
Pro cameras take beatings. Pros are called that way because use gear for work and bang their gear around. Needs to be reliable, rugged and traditional, because pros have not patience for changing and relearning controls/menus at every iteration. 5D series and 7D series are pretty much identical now in terms of controls. Do you realize how important is that for a pro? I shoot simultaneously with 4 cameras, each a different model, and I need to act fast and not to screw up, because it means money for me. Do you see where I am going? Pros need to be out there shooting, and there is where their attention is. I like that there are companies out there that are pushing the technology (also because they have to to build their market) but do not trivialize Canon or Nikon choices, there is a reason for which they are leaders, and you are making a fool of yourself.
@DPReview007Some of the higher end SDLRs are designed for the professional or semi pro. It makes sense that some people here like you does not understand the reason of some design choices for higher end cameras. Again as a pro user I am very glad that there is no pop up flash on them, I wish that also my small guy, a7DII did not have it. I any circumstance when using the pop up is the choice, you might as well use your phone to take the pic. Why bother using a high end DSLR.
Thermidor: This really doesn't make a lot of sense. The 5D line is considered professional grade. I would get a full frame body because I want something competent, if not outstanding for most shooting situations. In this regard, the 5DS/R seems to be catered towards a generation of pixel peepers looking for absolute sharpness than being a genuine workhorse. If you want something dedicated for studio or fine arts photography, use a medium format or get one of those Foveon sensor Sigma bodies.
@ Lassoni,yes I think virtual reality is getting closer, the Samsung Gear VR seems like a neat initiative to start introducing VR experience. Even if the content is weak it must be a pretty entertaining experience at least for who owns a Galaxy Note 4. About UHD large display I find them actually very useful creative and reviewing tools too. When you watch your own work if full majesty at 50" and up at such a definition that you cannot distinguish the pixels and any practical distance really helps spotting missed small details on imperfections. It also stimulates creativity in what cold be done differently or better.
Thank God somebody is thinking at Canon. Am I every happy that the 1D and 5D series have no pop up. I wish my 7DII did not have it either. The gain in light aid for a pro user comes at the bigger price of having a less rugged body. I rather have a solid brick and stick a proper flash on it when needed. Understandable that casual users would appreciate a pop up flash, that it why rebels have it.
@JDT thank you for the entertaining conversation, for a few days I was actually looking forward to see your next idiotic comment. It would make my day. I think just like any dumb game it dries out.see you around.
@Thermidor:5DS has a different purpose than the 5DIII and if pulling shadows is not a concern the 1DX has excellent ISO performance and still probably the best DSLR performance even with its age. If the 5DS is not meant to be your tool leave it alone, no need to bash a great achievement and great tool for others. 5DIV is around the corner.5m tall printings are definitely meant to be observed from further away, so a 12-25 MP will do the trick, nevertheless it is breathtaking when you get close up and your eye discovers further detail. A substantial added value. I am surprised that self calling photographers do not see that.@Lassoni:4K and 8K is just reflecting the direction of immediate future: all our devices are going "retina" as defined by Apple. Pixels are getting smaller virtual reality matching our analog eye resolution. So UHDTV are just part of the game. This is happening very fast. 10 years ago 5MP seemed massive, now it does not fill my laptop screen.
@Lassoni:DXO bases its evaluation on USABLE DR, which is not EFFECTIVE DR. This is a BIG difference, because we do not work anymore in analog terms but digital and limited by quantization. By pushing down the floor noise you improve on recovering shadows. Which is great news. However keep in mind that these shadows are captured by very few levels so you do not get the same effect as having a true larger DR. Indeed you need to play the shooting to the left of your histogram trick to make it work, which would not be needed if you had a true wider DR. Still better that having a poor shadow noise level, but not true wider DR. Unfortunately these definitions are often used interchangeably creating some confusion.
dude, I shoot with MF so I do not need to drool over this thing at all. Again. Assumptions, assumptions, assumption, and so far way off. Let me think ...some of my last portraits are going to be printed 5m tall along some really large halls. I am sure your 16MP quirky, dumbest ever designed Nikon camera would do amazingly filling up walls like that. Nikon DF.... wtf I am typing away here just for the entertainment of this conversation. If you are 1/10 as good as you say you are I would expect you to be using a real camera like the D4
Really? Read back the thread and see who is all over the places with commenting and twisting around. The only consistent element there is your arrogance. Btw I take about 1/4 million pictures a year. I doubt I need to play catch up with you there. Again another assumption of yours, without knowing facts. Ah, yah, that's right, you are consistent in that too.
I review scientific papers all the time. I am in the middle of one as i speak. Lots of quantity over quality, lots of garbage. I cannot care less of how much you published if this is the way you approach forums.
Btw I am not here to say that this the best ever next thing, I might buy it if the reviews will actually match my expectations. If find amusing seeing pompous idiots making fools of themselves when they realistically know nothing about what they are talking about. Save your criticism for when the facts are actually out there.
@ Thermidor:Do you know what is the difference between DR and low floor noise?Probably not, because otherwise you would know that all current sensors have fairly equivalent DR. Some though are far better than other in extracting details in the shadows because of the lower floor noise. Therefore, by saying that the 5DS has the same DR of the 5DIII there is mo much news. However, Mike Burnhill clearly stated in his interview, that this camera is better than the 5DIII in recovering shadows because of reduced floor noise, placing it much closer to Sony sensors. But, hey, both you and JDThomas are too full of yourselves to gather info out there. You already know it all.
Here is the interview:http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/video-interview-canon-eos-5ds-and.htmAlso, I trust Eberhard Schuy know his stuff better than you and JDThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBqZHn_iSY0Happy shooting!