Ramjager: The 5Dmk3 AF system is "behind the times"!Talk about garbage hyperbole writing.41 cross sensors? Seriously.Maybe rather than writing hyperbole the author should spend some time taking photos that require AF rather than making up utter garbage on a keyboard.The 1DX focus module is still THE BEST action AF system period and the 5Dmk3 uses that very system.Typical of DPR these days authors with little if any knowledge of the subjects they discuss is a normWakey wakey DPR stop writing hyperbole based off zero experience.Given how dated the Canon AF module is 90% of the worlds sports photogs should be upgrading from there 1Dx's that dominate sidelines because it's AF is behind the times!Yea right.
I generally agree and like DPreview as overall experience. I do admit that they are not sport or action photographer so in my opinion their observations on AF are mostly good for average focusing experience. Canon AF system is highly customizable and it requires a fair amount of tweaking to get it right. That is also why they came up with presets for specific actions conditions. Although the 5DIII is not exactly the same AF system of the 1DX it is very close and excellent for a 4 years old design. I doubt that in action photography the D750 is any better. Although the 3D and face recognition and colour detection does give it a bit more flexibility and reliability under certain conditions. The focus review of the 7DII by DPreview really made me think that they do not know much of sport photography focus tracking.
princewolf: I can't buy one, so doesn't interest me. Waiting for Sony or Fuji to come up with that fixed-lens medium-format mirror-less for under 5000 bucks. Might be a long wait :)
Good point HowaboutRAW
"optimal" is subjective obviously. However I have posters printed that look superb with people that are actual size or much bigger from my 645D. Sharpness from the lens can be even excessive for portraits. I doubt most humans need anything better for a little while. By the time that little while is gone by, you can buy more demanding gear for much less.
Simon97: Canon has great lenses and cameras but trail in sensor tech. The "old" Nikon D7000 beats it badly in exposure latitude. That is a big advantage in my book.
This cam is designed for shooting 90% of the time not at base iso, where the D7000 has no advantage in IQ. It even loses out in resolution.
tecnoworld: I'd also like to see a comparison, af wise, with nikon d750. On paper the two are not direct competitors, but I've seen tests in which the d750 destroys the new samsung nx1 in af tracking. Ok, it can do only 6.5fps, but most of them in focus and...outstanding iq.
One of the benefits of this cam is the crop in a pro body. D750 will take great shots, but serves a different purpose. I.e. I shoot soccer mostly with 1DX and 5DIII. I now have a 7DII which allows me to shoot the far action without a tele extender. With a dedicated sport sport camera too, not a fps limited, or buffer limited or af limited!!! Do not forget the loss in IQ and AF speed and F stop using a tele extender!Alternatively I can shoot with my Sigma 120-300/2.8 handheld. That is equivalent to a 192-480/F2.8!!!!! Nuts!!!! That beats the hell of a 200-400/F4 also in price...
ttran88: The biggest problem with this camera is its sensor, will it be relevant 2-5 yrs down the road since it'll probably take Canon that long to get an update out the door. With today's sensor technology its becoming hard to accept this sensor. It's probably best to sit and wait before buying this camera, Canon might do a refresh next year with a new sensor. Or till the price drops. As it stands it's a tough sell.
Enough of this poor sensor nonsense. It does just fine for what is designed for, future improvements in sensor tech are going to be small anyway unless we have breakthroughs. In mid-high iso range, which is what people will use this camera for anyway, is just as good as any other. People keeping on beating this dead horse have nothing to do or write. Just feeling good about bashin'
audiobomber: What is the basis for saying the 7D II outperforms the a6000 and K-3 for noise? DXOMark shows the 7D II with the lowest score of the three for SNR.a6000: ISO 1347K-3: ISO 12167D II: ISO 1082
DXOMarks noise measure is based on resolution level. Not grain level. The D800 scores in noise better than the 5DIII yet the canon's files are a lot cleaner at high iso. I do not like the way DXO makes the evaluation because is not a qualitative measure of the image but a quantitative measure of the resolution, which only say part of the story. Based on DXO higher resolution will likely score better in general, which is really not true.
As an engineer I generally do not look for the best, but the optimal (which is a compromise of performance and cost that delivers the specified requirements).I doubt that Pentax does not easily exceed the requirements in optical performance. There better be other things that make it system worthwhile. That said there is always somebody that goes non-rationally for best of the best no matter what. Good idea from Phase One to squeeze their juice as they would shell out the money anyway.
jennyrae: this makes the 70D of great value. sorry, but Canon did not hit homerun with 7D MK2. just too many crucial weaknesses of the camera that the AF system could not make up for. the poor AF tracking, screen blackout, no touchscreen function and no AF functionality during continuous shooting in live view mode, very much is contradictory and counterproductive to it's supposed greatest AF asset.it's like saying this car can run at 200mph but can only top at 100mph due to 100mph road speed limitation.
this aside from no zebras and no focus peaking which are equally undermining the camera.
in agreement that this camera has a problem with it's value. putting a strong engine on a skeleton car does not make it a car. with today's camera offerings a lot of functionality that has become a necessity, the 7D MK2 is like a dinosaur trying to survive. I wonder how expensive it is just to include those features that are available on $600-$700 cameras.
No D750 is a different category entirely. This does not mean it cannot shoot occasional sport action, capturing actually vastly superior images, it is just not a fully dedicated device and it is not a crop sensor.
aris14: Heavily overpriced.
whatever dude. Cheapest pro body out there.
Mescalamba: Those "cons" in review sound a bit like..
"You should get Magic Lantern and remove AA filter." :D
Otherwise, its Canon, as always.. nothing amazing, just small evolution (very small this time).
who is serious enough about video knows it already, the others we will never know anyway.
Mirrorless Crusader: Canikon still doesn't get it - the future of digital photography is MIRRORLESS! Not ugly black clunky leviathans!
meanwhile we still need the leviathans to get the job done while a few are toying around with mirrorless cameras. Make no mistake Nikon and Canon will be there when it will make sense to be there.
KonstantinosK: Nice review. I went to the cons list at the end and searched for a "mediocre dynamic range, compared even to older competitors, can lead to noisy images" comment, but no...
dear buddy, I shoot studio with MF too. Do not make assumptions too quickly. What you do not understand is tools have purposes. The 7DII has a perfectly adequate DR for its purposes. Extra DR from other sensor have a much less relevance than may here think. At least for crop sensor cameras which are mediocre anyway for landscape photography. DPR gets it, you do not.
Thank you John, such a simple concept, but most here are just no photographers but forums addicts. Canon screamed out loud green but they still complaining that everyone else is so much better in making red.
RyanBoston: So the 70D is in a lower class and still scored higher and got a gold award. I guess that's great news for 70D owners who don't need the insane focus system for half the price. Great job on the review! I'm sure it was tough to get it out as early as you guys did.
fakuryu is clearly a clueless funboy
SirSeth: Valid points on its strengths as well as weaknesses. IMO, what we have here is the best APS-C camera Canon was willing to make.
what we have is the best sports camera on the market with a crop sensor.
enough of this poor DR. The fact that it is not mentioned should be a wake up call to all these constantly bitching about it and bloating it. I shot sports with this camera in harsh contrasts and it did really well. Get over it.
I love my 645D I can only imagine what this camera can do now. Both tethering and sink speed are a pain. There is an old leaf shutter Pentax lens that can be used. I overcome the issue using dedicated high speed flashes when the circumstances call for it. I believe tethering is possible but you need to buy it.I really wish Pentax was capable of making a camera with a larger sensor, I would upgrade to that today if the price was right.
aarif: samsung Nx1 is the winner in cropped sensors. good job samsung
If this camera targets sport photographers then jpg is important. Some of them heavily rely on jpg for processing speed storage space etc. As a matter of fact for most of them it is far more effective, so it is also important that the jpg settings can be easily and comprehensively configured so that most of the work is done by the camera.
Marcus Antonius: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=canon_eos7dii&attr13_1=canon_eos1dx&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr16_0=400&attr16_1=400&normalization=full&widget=170&x=-0.5100056814595039&y=1.0204721282008986
ouch! (and that's just iso 400)
@Marcus Antonius Different tools for different purposes. I shoot sports and I have been using the 1DX and the 5DIII for the purpose:1) Sports do not require zero grain in your images. They need to be clean enough. The 7DII is "clean enough" up to 6400 iso. If in this bracket another camera is some what better it is a marginal benefit.2) If you need reach: - You can use shorter and faster lenses which offsets the noise - you can use lighter lenses for comfort and lower budget - you can get away from the 1.4x with its image and focus degradation - If you saw this link (http://www.clarkvision.com/reviews/evaluation-canon-7dii/) the reduced thermal noise compared to the 1DX and 5DII really helps in the shadow recovery. This means that it handles contrasty conditions and underexposure better.Fair enough that the 7DII might not be the tool for you, but do not fool yourself thinking in a generalized way. This camera will do brilliantly for most interested in sports and wildlife.