The Canon seems to me to be a "reaction to" sort of camera that Canon was forced to wheel out in response to the M4/3rds advances. The DSLMs are smaller, do movies much better and have a decent array of lenses to choose from which are also smaller. I downsized from a Canon 450d to a Panasonic G3 and have never regretted it as the weight and bulk saving has been huge. The results on a high end 42" Plasma are indistinguishable so there are no advantages to owning Canon if your objective is to make carrying gear a lot easier. DP's award might have been better suited to the GX-7 as that is innovation on steroids.
vFunct: Has anyone ever seen a professional photographer at a press event use anything BESIDES a Nikon or Canon?
All other manufacturers are a JOKE compared to these kings.
Mirrorless camera's are even WORSE than jokes.
There are absolutely ZERO Photojournalists in this world that use a mirror less camera. They are completely useless!
The only people that use mirror less cameras are measurebators! HAHA!
Really kiddos, stop playing with your mirror less camera and get a grown up camera like a Nikon.
Seriously, has anyone actually ever seen a photographer at a press event that uses anything besides a Nikon or Canon?
Of the 150 photographers at Fashion Week or a Sporting Event, I noticed that ALL used Nikon or Canon. HAHA!
All the other cameras must be used by girly weaklings.
Or used by those who travel and do not want to carry around heavy cases or be charged and elbow and knee by rip-off airlines for excess baggage. I love my Panasonic G3 as the quality is on a par with Nikon or Canon and the size and weight advantages are huge. Then there is all that Leica glass too!
tabloid: Lots of professional photographers now use mirror less cameras.
Me for one.
Its the future, or should i say its the present.
Just look at the new full frame cameras from Sony. (A7 and A7R).
If those cameras like the A7 and A7R had the new Canon 70D sensor they would world beaters.
My Panasonic G3 has super fast AF and I plan to upgrade to an even faster G6 when the price eases a little. However, you are right about battery life for the Panasonic line: horrendous.
For someone who grew up with and owned many Nikon film cameras this may be appealing. However, the price will no doubt be horrendous and I, for one, will remain with my super light weight and fabulously good DSLM system for what is probably a fraction of the cost of a heavy retro Nikon that will probably be made in China.
jadot: I'm out.
Surely I'm not the only one. I've been reading these pathetic scrawls for years now. They haven't changed, except perhaps now the "MFT is the future, and you don't need a DSLR" rant is irritatingly ever present, and as irrelevant as it always was.
"It's the future of photography, you know. But you're just not listening because I've just bought one and I LOVE IT"
I own and use a D600 amongst others. I'm lucky in the fact that I've never suffered the oil problems that others have. I can report that the D600 is almost a perfect full frame camera. In some ways, I prefer it to my D800. And if Nikon have improved on this and made it more mechanically consistent in the D610 then that's a good thing.I don't need the 610, but if you have had problems with your D600, then this is your chance to own the camera that you wanted, or am I missing something?
There's no 'scandal' here and no conspiracy either. Or would you have Nikon just carry on producing the D600?
Audi's never had transmission slippage problems either.
Frank_BR: Maybe Nikon should change its name to Nikoil :-)
Oops , there is already a company named Nikoil, but it does not produce cameras.
Time for a trip down memory lane, anyone remember the old MF Nikkor lenses that sometimes suffered with oil on the diaphragm blades? IIRC, no one else had this issue.
Fans of global Nikon expert, Ken "Kenneth" Rockwell, will have observed Ken's conversion this year to Canon. I was a faithful Nikon user since the late 60's and converted to Canon about 7 years ago after a few failures of non-made in Japan Nikon equipment. However, due to the need to downsize I am now quite happy over at Panasonic and a G3 owner. Nikon need to up their game and return manufacturing to Japan, get rid of the cheap gold paint on their lenses that symbolises bling and not quality.
Stephen_C: I thought the G1X was the worthy successor to the G-series cameras. Coming out with the G16 when the G1X and the Sony RX100 are already out seems odd.
The Canon G1X seems to me to be a "clunker" with a poor VF, no close-up ability, large and heavy and slow focusing. Why buy it when Micro 4/3rds offers far more?
2001: When I bought my G9 it was the compact camera of choice., it could shoot raw, it had full manual controls and a magnesium aloy body. It was one of a few compacts a professional photographer considered. This was in 2007. For me this is where my interest in the G series ended, although still excellent cameras , compact iLCs with aps c sensors and interchangeable lenses and being able to use old Lieca , Contax and Angenieux lenses via adapter for the same price as G series camera ended my enchantment. I remember the outrage when the G7 didn't shoot raw. Given that the new bodies are plastic, the price is high and the sensors are small and they are made for professionals who are aware of all this, I wonder how they even sell at all. The blunders of the EOS M and now this ? Can't Cannon at least put an aps-c sensor to at least make it worth looking at ? Cannon has more than proven they make excellent ones. can't imagine buying this camera, I think others feel the same. 9 fps per second is nice but not enough of a rationale to get the camera. Is Cannon asleep? Is a stubborn moron in market research holding everyone hostage at Cannon ? Are they trying to lose a lot of money and reap the rewards of an obscure subsidy or stock option of some kind? I really can't account for any reasons Canon has for making an obsolanete camera and figure out why anyone would want to buy it? I remember when Canon made the best cameras on the market from the 1980's until now. Nikon and Sony are catching up and in some ways even surpassing Canon. Canon's response seems to be bending over backwards to fail. Hopefully Canon will wake up, otherwise the mid 2000's will be remembered as a once great maker a remembered fondly in spite of it's failures like a Voightlandänder and the German camera industry before they lost out to the Japanese in the early 70's
I bought a Panasonic G3 and yes, it is not much larger or heavier than a G series. Panasonic are, however, building newer Gs larger and heavier defeating the purpose of small. If only the G had a decent OVF or EVF.
Panasonic GX-7, LF-1 and Nikon's P7800 all have accurate EVFs leaving the Canon with a highly inaccurate glass tunnel to roughly guess what you are getting. As I need corrected vision close up, a VF is essential so this means the Canon Gs are still off the list. Pity, as I like Canon products overall and would have bought the G15/16 had it come with a decent OVF or EVF. One other thing, Canon have a shorter zoom range than the competition so why can't they give us a 24-140mm to compete with Nikon and Panasonic's 28-200mm?
IEBA1: 5x lens? Nikon beats it.No tilt-swivel screen? Nikon beats it.But the Nikon is infuriatingly slow to use.
Can someone come out with a mash up?Great image quality, 10x bright lens, very zippy, 10MP enough- use big pixels to gather lots of light, WiFi, = great travel zoom.
Panasonic G6 with compact 14-140mm zoom. Or, if the G6 is too large the "not much bigger than a Canon G series" G3 will do it but it lacks wifi.
Hubertus Bigend: The most interesting compact camera with such a feature set is neither the G16 nor the P7800, while the Nikon would, for my purposes, come closer than the Canon, but rather the Panasonic LF1, which includes both a 28-200mm (eq.) lens and an electronic viewfinder, and it's so small that it's indeed pocketable, something neither the Canon nor the Nikon really is.
If the LF-1's EVF was reasonable quality I would have been tempted. Put the P7800's EVF in the Panny and they would sell like hot cakes. Canon are falling behind with the G15 and G16 with the old OVF that is far too inaccurate to rely upon for composing your shot.
Panasonic LF-1, GX-7, Nikon P7800 all have electronic viewfinders and the Fuji X20 has more than an inaccurate tunnel a la Canon G series. The market appears to be moving toward accurate viewfinders and for me not having an EVF or a reasonably accurate OVF is a deal breaker. Pity the G16 didn't catch up with Nikon and Panasonic in this area.
Panasonicus: The EVF is a quantum leap over Panasonic's weak effort in their new effort. The Nikon ticks nearly all the boxes except one: 24mm at the wide end. I would gladly sacrifice 200mm for wide angle as digital zoom can take care of extra length when you need it (less often than wide angle). So all three start at 28mm (LF1, G16 & P7800) leaving a hole in the market for a 24mm-150mm. Olympus?
Quoting the intro to the preview:
For those with a short memory, P-series cameras prior to the P7700 had optical viewfinders. The P7700 got rid of that entirely, but gave users a fully articulating LCD in exchange. On the Coolpix P7800 the viewfinder has returned, in electronic form. The EVF has 921,000 dots and covers 100% of the frame.
Josh152: I bet Canon is saving the flippy screen and EVF for the G2X.
The horrible tunnel viewfinder on the Canons is a deal breaker for me. No viewfinder at all is a double deal breaker. The market seems to be shifting to viewfinders at last! Now, lets get a 24-150mm and Roberta is your aunt!
The EVF is a quantum leap over Panasonic's weak effort in their new effort. The Nikon ticks nearly all the boxes except one: 24mm at the wide end. I would gladly sacrifice 200mm for wide angle as digital zoom can take care of extra length when you need it (less often than wide angle). So all three start at 28mm (LF1, G16 & P7800) leaving a hole in the market for a 24mm-150mm. Olympus?
The market says small with large sensors. M43 seem to hold the future and the new Panasonic GX7 will meet the demands of most people wanting high end with a largish sensor in a small package. I never considered the Nikon 1 series because it seemed expensive and why go smaller than M43?
At close to double the price of the G6 which also has a high end EVF and all the features of the GX7 except IBIS it may be awhile before existing Panasonic DSLM owners or prospective purchasers are tempted. As we in the UK pay a 25% premium over US prices (where you do not pay sales tax if buying out of state) it is hard to see that this camera will be a sell-out. That all said, if it drops by around 50% it should prove to be a big seller and it will open the door to Olympus lenses and perhaps smaller non-IS Panasonic glass.
For decades photographers have demanded and been given excellent viewfinders to see what the lens sees or close to with parallax devices. Then along comes the marketing teams to convince us that viewfinders are old school and everyone is better off with a LCD. The trick worked for awhile as we battled with sunlight washing out the screen or struggled with our eyesight issues that could not be corrected on camera. Then, suddenly, Panasonic began to reverse the trend and give us small DSLMs with built in viewfinders that cost no more than their sister products with a rear screen only. Now they are getting really serious by giving us a camera with a high end EVF included in the price of the camera. Give it a couple more years and the era of the rear LCD without an accompanying viewfinder will be over and we will all wonder how many of us were so easily conned. How many viewfinder-less Canon EOS-Ms have been sold?
Panasonicus: As feared, I just checked the UK price and it is £999 ($1,520.00) compared with $999 in the US. Looks like I will have to continue to shop in the good 'ol USA where rip-offs seem to be less brazen in their audacious lightening of wallets (pocket-books).
About the same? There is a big difference between the US price at $999 and UK price at £819 ($1253.07 @ US $ = 1.53). Getting on for a 25% premium. In the US, as you probably know, the price includes all taxes if you buy out of state. If you buy in state around 7% sales tax may apply. The UK price includes 20% VAT which accounts for much of the difference. Bottom line: UK prices are significantly higher making shopping in the US an advantage. Rip off Britain gets its name because nearly everything here costs more than anywhere else, we still have to travel to Europe to buy wine at half price!