jmmgarza: Samsung is a Korean monster. They are turning out very good products. How about their lenses?
AFAIK SAMSUNG optics inherits SCHNEIDER expertise.Native Schneider lenses are top notch better than Leica M.
Why I so much envy? Just because of an average shooter can get a decent digital camerafor realistic price eventually? Learn form SIGMA guys for them getting a medium format APS-C sized LOL sensor camera for ten grands that costs just a couple of grands few month later is a joy :)
Seriously it looks to me that digital market is getting matured. Old film days I can feed 200 dollars Yashica T4 Super with same FullFrame HiEnd capturing media like 35mm FujichromeVelvia as easily as many grands M body and occasionally get same outstanding result from inexpensive P&S similar to what one can get from mega expensive rangefinder that practically very limited crowd of consumers can afford to deal with.
Now there is inexpensive digital body on the market with quality capturing digital media as it was common old film days. Bravo NIKON very kind and clever move!
Ruy Penalva: Zeiss is priced 2 to 3 times over any brand in any product from lens to microscope till lens cleaning microfiber. Zeiss utilize kriptonite cristals to make its lens.
Incorrect, not kriptonite crystals but fluorite crystals.
"Optical elements made of calcium fluoride, namely of fluorite crystals, are used in some telephoto lenses, to correct color aberration. Some fluoride glasses are difficult to produce on Earth due to their fast crystallization. The crystallization is slower in microgravity conditions."
Google Zeiss superachromat, most advanced lenses manufactured ever, very expensive though.
cinefeel: Stop the press.
The SD1 is actually MUCH closer to the 645D than I realised. This comparison is amazing:
I really think DPR should update their review to reflect this.
The SD1 doesn't show any hint of Moire either, which you can see in both labels on the 645D shot.
Then I am glad I let my M-system go. Interesting test images
Nikon D800 looks as good as Hassy :)
BTW in order to test Leica M glass (it has to be new not 50 years old fungus improved) set it at f0.9-f2 and place nice lady/child face in focus and some bright spot lights out of focus. You may not waist your time trying out other brand's lenses to compare in similar real for a Leica M instrument light-subject snapping occasion.
Why not test SIGMA against M9 / Leica M glass first? :)
bborowski000: There you go .......the reason this camera was cloaked in so much secrecy was because it was and still is a dud. Obviously they couldn't sell enough of them so they rebadged and repriced it. I wouldn't take one for free!!
>This is perhaps more obvious in photographic forums, due to the lack of technical and scientific knowledge of most posters.
Yes nowadays a average person without PHD or special photographer license can buy a camera for daily use. That is what the camera market discussed here on the forum is exists for just us real people. Surprised?
>Reading the previous post and most of the following, I realize how many people use forums as a kind of psychotherapy.
I believe it is Nikon D800 that is the right psychotherapy treatment for greedy marketing guys from Sigma :)
Vitruvius: Cameras like this are for people who simply want them and have the money. Technology is leapfrogging over old fashioned image acquisition paradigms like sensor size and high quality glass with new interpolation methods, algorithms, smart filters, light folding lens technology, and 41 megapixel camera phones like the Nokia 808. Spending thousands of dollars and lugging massive equipment like this around is starting to be a pure status symbol and an attempt to impose some perception of competence and authority. Of course I am going to get a better image with my 8x10 Linhof. But how many shots am I going to miss because it wasn’t in my shirt pocket at “that” moment? Buy it if you want but stop pretending that it won’t be surpassed by some sort of P&S camera in a couple of years.
>Of course I am going to get a better image with my 8x10 Linhof. But how many shots am I going to miss because it wasn’t in my shirt pocket...
Or boy! Your gonna miss nothing not an image that is what field camera with movements is intended to be used for unless you do not own Linhof or have no idea about large format photography at all :)
cinefeel: Colors are NOT innacurate.
White balance not correctly set, and only Neutral color mode shows good color.
Standard color mode has red/purple cast.
This camera has excellent color if you look into the RAWs.
Nice commercial, but in real life accurate colors and wide color space can be delivered only by specially designed color filters only. Place developed exposure of Fujichrome QuickLoad on a light-table to watch what am talking about.
Or use SonyNikon sensor equipped with Fuji-film color filters at least in case you do care about colors.
lxstorm: Carl Zeiss is a legendary optics manufacture.
It was Zeiss who pioneered wide opened glasses not Leica.
It was Zeiss who created fastest lens manufactured ever. Despite the fact that Zeiss lens was not a "proper cine" one Stanley Kubrick was happy to deal with Zeiss lens for his lovely footage of Barry Lyndon.
Zeiss superachromat lenses are most advanced lenses manufactured ever.
The drawback is the cost of real Zeiss quality manufacturing makes Zeiss products applicable to industrial solutions primarily since mass-market consumers cannot afford uncompromised by cost-savings Zeiss quality.
Schneider is another company that was making superb lenses. They are in production still for large format cameras.
I agreed that Zeiss is not a well known cine lens manufacture except marriage ARRI with Zeiss maybe. But from optical design point of view their is no such thing as a "cine" glass except outer bells & whistles.
Optically Zeiss was making superb optics. Superachromats are the best. I am a Hassy guy so I know what I am talking about. I even can recall the glory look of MF department at B&H decade ago and Zeiss price tags over-there as well. And don't forget five grand a decade ago and five grand today have an absolutely different value.
To me these new "cine" lenses from Zeiss looks like the real Zeiss ones based on lenses price tags.
Regarding German quality there are many opinions no doubt. Better ask Red Dot guys they might explain it better :)
Carl Zeiss is a legendary optics manufacture.
Peiasdf: Wow, I cannot believe how fast the market reacts to D800's $3000 MSRP. E-M5 announced $200 below rumored price. SD1 price dropped $5000.
D800 really sets a cap on consumer camera pricing.
"Nikon lenses are no where near Leica quality"
Nikon's fix-focal lenses are sharper than Leica's ones actually.Moreover Nikon handles Hi ISO IQ better than Leica.
squared9: Fantastic news!!! My next Foveon camera is going to be SD1 Merrill alongside SD14 and SD15 :)))
And yes, I use also last-generation Nikon, but I am extremely frustrated whenever I zoom in the NEF file and see the sensor issues going haywire everywhere (unsharpness, low ISO noise etc.) which I never see in Foveon. Are people here so accustomed to Bayer that they don't see the problems it has even in the published D800 samples?
What samples are you talking about?
Hi ISO? skin-tones? sharpness of FujiFilm's anti-alising less sensor? And yes FujiFilm was always famous for pour colors rendition as Kodak. Chromes especially.
Sigma is an expert in terms of color separation no doubt.
Upcoming D800 / Fuji XPro1 makes Sigma obsolete despite the new similar to D800/XPro1 price tag.
AnHund: What is revolutionary about that camera?
Sensor actually. It is different from other digicams you can watch video on YouTube regarding the camera.
Also colors that are coming from Fuji cameras are very FujiFilm alike for obvious reason. The drawback was there were no Fuji digicams with Fuji mount up until now.
delastro: The price is high and it is a very dangerous system because until today Fuji did not show that they want to care for their products.
Today the firmware/software is one of the most essential parts of a camera.
But Fuji did not make much for the X100 and nothing for the X10.
So I think it is better to buy f.e. a Ricoh, Pentax or a Leica camera because these people help their customers.
Or yes Red Dot's guys are awesome as always. A digital Leica is an exceptional money proof investment no doubt :)
But don't forget that the only digital camera that is delivering FujiFilm film alike look is a FujiFilm's camera.
Eventually Fuji come up with a body that delivers Fuji mount and takes Fuji fix-focal rangefinder lenses. I've been waiting for such an instrument a decade already.
Fuji XPAN was favored by many RF film shooters BTW ( I was in M camp those days).
Very impressed by sample images awesome colors & decent subjects. Looks to me like a superb promotion hopefully the images have not been taken by Hassy since they are looking very hassy-like.
Wonder if taking 3 images from a tripod by an conventional camera focused at front subject middle and infinite and then combined them into one so by clicking different area of a combined image it will show the right focused one would look any different.
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