I am interested in what this camera may see and whether more MP will actually result in seeing more or whether other limits such as light gathering, stability and noise will come into play.
I wonder if eventually NASA will park a telescope in orbit on the non-sun facing side of the moon.... there is probably no accessible place darker ..... but is may be more gravitationally wobbly.
PS ..... that may be the biggest ND filter ever made.
This is a very interesting case.
It seems that there is a fine line between licensing and photograph and licensing a posture or pose. There are certain requirements for patenting a pose, dance or other body movements. It doesn't seem that the photographer Jacobus Rentmeester has any claims to the open legged basketball posture shown in the picture.
BUT .... there are many angles and perspectives to shoot that open legged posture from. Did Nike deliberately choose one very similar to that of licensed pic tire by Jacobus Rentmeester? If so I would say Nike breached the conditions of the license by re-shooting it and should pay the photographer accordingly.
The 30 year period is irrelevant as all the parties are still alive and have interest.
I think Samsung is going to do it .....
My Samsung Galaxy S3 is still such a good phone I Have no desire to upgrade. When it was the only phone that did everything I wanted well. While other companies were deliberately crippling their phones to fit in with their overall business model, Samsung made the phone I wanted.
I have a feeling Samsung is trying to do the same thing with the cameras. So is Sony and Pana to some extent.
I also think they are focused on the best of the worst market .... cameras that are not competing with compact or smartphones.
Sadly it will not be an easy road as many affordable cameras are more than good enough for just about anything. No matter how good the NX1 is it probably isn't going to get me to dump my OMD and lenses as like my Galaxy S3, it already does everything I need.
But if my OMD died it would be an interesting option.
Before adoption of any new format like BPG it would be nice to know if there are any sneaky legal traps built into it which would be sprung only when photographers and designers depend on the BPG format.
Just badging the format as open source in no protection as in the end only the wacky court system decides who owns what and why.
"Seattle PI.com, formerly the Seattle Post Intelligencer, was the first major metropolitan newspaper in the USA to go online-only. Remarkably, the PI only employs two full-time staff photographers"
That's great .... the news reaches us going through only 2 hands..... Much cheaper to "purchase" the news that way.
draschan: just tried it for a day. a friend got the fancy leica version. it's an excellent excellent camera. the lens is simply amazing. the controls are phantastic!!! aperture on lens, time and compensation dials. nice viewfinder (although I have little comparison with viewfinders). fast, reliable. and the lens. did I mention it? the lens. it is 1,7 -2,8. the wide angle seems better than my excepensive olympus 12mm. It is a loveable camera. don't see much (or any) difference to my gm1 concerning the 12 vs 16mp. I personally would prefer a touchscreen and I'm not sure why it's not included. the extra leica lens hood is also great... as far as I can tell all panasonic I used did amazing video, I am looking forward to test the 4k (and extract 8mp images from it). so only downside: if you like touch then wait or get the lovely gm5. panasonic is really trying hard to please their customers.
Interesting .... I had a look but the pics but the comparisons are too small and there are differences in black levels and contrast that makes it impossible for me to compare them. Also it is shot with a pana body which sometimes makes a 2 mpix effective resolution difference compared to an OMD at least according to DXO.
BUT it does seem a reasonably valid comparison and the pana 7-14mm lens must be a great lens to stand up to a prime.
I am actually a fan of Pana since the FZ20 and FZ30 and I have always liked their lenses. With the Oly EPL2 I switched over to Oly but was never fully satisfied with that camera. I am fully satisfied with my OMD.
Give the term vanity cam a whole new meaning ....
DXO says that the Oly 12mm prime has a perceptual MP of 11mpx
I seriously doubt the zoom on this panny is better, but I would be interested to see your source data.
For a new M4/3 sensor/camera it doesn't seem to be producing very sharp images especially at ISO1600
Dohmnuill: Another slim camera..without a viewfinder. No thanks.
Although I am in 100% agreement that a EVF is very important for most cameras.....
This camera isn't one of them. I shoot 90% of my shots with a EVF but if I were in the market for this type of camera I wouldn't be looking for a EVF .... size, light gathering and image quality would be paramount.
With a few firmware updates this camera will be compelling for some ....
What Samsung should do is make this device into a cellphone. Protect the lens enough and I might be willing to lug it around
I am a fan of Samsung and this camera is very compelling. .... But this isn't a real world test or a review .... It is an advertizement and should be labelled as such if DPR wants to keeps some credibility.
Mike99999: A great design experiment that lives on in X-T1 and A7 series cameras.
The problem is the sensor. The E-M5 produces flat and digital-looking images. Worse so than older, albeit more noisy, micro four thirds sensors.
Flat is such a subjective term and is strongly related to the lens used.
All digital and print images are flat and it is the mind that assembles the image to give the perception of depth.
Depth often relates to the amount of fine detail you see in the different distance layers of a scene.
The EM5 has no problems capturing detail with a good lens ... have a look at DPreview and DXO.
In Lightroom you can add and limit depth by using the Clarity, Sharpening and Saturation tools.
Sirandar: If Pana and Oly want to make "Pro" lenses they need to know what kind of pros they are targetting and realize they are competing against their own 40-150mm lenses which usually can do the job. I love my OMD-E5 to death but if I was really making my living with it I probably would be forced to used FF, if only because my customers would expect it. Thankfully I am free of the bondage of actually trying to sell photography.
Take home message .... there is not much point making 1000$ plus pro lenses for M4/3. The rich want more prestige cameras and the middle that loves and supports M4/3 cant justify the price when the 40-150 is only 149$
If the Oly primes I wanted dipped below the 400$ mark I would buy them tomorrow (12mm and 75mm). That is the price these primes should be.
There is a lot of truth to what you are saying. Looking at DXO, often even the best lenses do not reach a perceptual MP rating comparable to a 16MP sensor. It all comes down to how well the whole thing is put together AND dynamic range AND high ISO performance.
In that the OMD series in no slouch but not the very best available, BUT with the OMD you can fit your whole photo studio in one small bag ...... because I know, if it isn't in my 30X20x20cm bag that I carry with me it just isn't going to be used.
I just wish that Oly could come up with a 40-150 with a little better F values for less than 1000$ as IBIS can only do so much and freezing even slight movement is difficult.
The Oly 40-150 also suffers from shutter shock under conditions that you are sometimes forced to use resulting in ghosting. The antishock really does help but is no panacea.
Micro 4/3 is positioned in the middle of FF and truly compact cameras and the new larger sensor M4/3 like cameras.
Looking at the full DXO scores and the usability only some of the pro lenses are significantly better. I tested the Oly 45mm 1.8 and was impressed with the resolution and DOF and it fulfilled a function none of the zoom lenses had. When it dipped below 400$ I bought it.
The other lenses are harder to justify. I was interested in the zoom lenses in the 300mm range but they are all to slow to use at the long end IMO. The 12mm Oly prime is too expensive for what it is useful for, as for wide scenes the extra detail that this lens could capture is only available under perfect conditions because of the distances involved. That and proper use of good panorama software with cheaper lenses you can often get more fine detail than any single lens can.
If Pana and Oly want to make "Pro" lenses they need to know what kind of pros they are targetting and realize they are competing against their own 40-150mm lenses which usually can do the job. I love my OMD-E5 to death but if I was really making my living with it I probably would be forced to used FF, if only because my customers would expect it. Thankfully I am free of the bondage of actually trying to sell photography.
Micro 4/3 is positioned in the middle of FF and truly compact cameras.
There are several new fixed lens m4/3 like cameras that have usable performance now and this squeezes thing even tighter.
Pana and oly needs to significantly cut the prices of their lenses to remain competitive.
The price of a lens is more determined by how useful it is and the DXO score than costs to manufacture.
I bought the Oly 45mm 1.8 for 349$ and I was very happy with the price and performance.
The Oly 50-150 sells for 149-199$ in Canada and it is a great lens almost too cheap. The only problem is that it is too slow for many applications and the effective MP is only about 6. This leaves the only solution as the pana 30-100 F2.8 with is 1300$ and that doesn't have enough zoom. That is a 20 fold increase in price.
Fascinating at all levels:
"His notes on the sexual behavior of the penguins, which included violent assault, homosexuality and necrophilia, were considered too indecent for the times, and didn’t come to light until published in the journal Polar Record in 2012"
That never seemed to have made it into any of the Penguin movies we are bombarded with.
Only took 100 years for it to come to light ;)
Sirandar: I also checked out the similar legacy lenses from the 70s and 80s. They were beautiful creations but the images were nothing special .....
They were not sharp as the midrange m43 lenses I had and the contrast was sometimes good sometimes poor and the colours were mostly washed out. It is very hard to fix washed out colours convincingly in Photoshop.
They were dirt cheap and I still didn't buy them.
Nothing even cane close to my 45mm Oly Prime in any aspect let alone all three.
I also found a new respect for my cheap Oly 40-150. My copy is pretty darned good for any price. If only it was faster .....
You can't judge a lens much by how it looks or what is made of, or a red dot.
You judge it by the images and how easy it is to use.
My money would be on that it isn't worth 359$ as that is about what I paid for my Oly 45mm prime but we will see.
By similar I meant I had a similar experience to another poster who tried legacy 1970-80 lenses. I was in no way implying that the manufacture, tolerances and coatings on the Mitakon 42.5mm were outdated in any way. Unfortunately my post didn't show up as a reply to the poster who tired the 1970- lenses.
As for my final comment "My money would be on that it isn't worth 359$ as that is about what I paid for my Oly 45mm prime but we will see" I apologize and admit I didn't practice what I preached. :(
I also checked out the similar legacy lenses from the 70s and 80s. They were beautiful creations but the images were nothing special .....
Sirandar: No matter how good it is, it is obsolete with no micro SD card.
Too bad ... I was interested. If the 64GB one was a reasonable price I might consider it, but you can usually never find those and if 649$ is starting price, the 64GB will be 849$.
My crappy Galaxy S3 with 100GB is still a better phone for me because it is more than quick enough, does everything well enough and I can store all my files, music and pics on it and never sync again unless there is something new I want to put on. And you can get an S3 now almost for free.
To Tom Z:
I would agree that many do not need more than 32Gb, but many also do. MicroSD is not about storing apps as even now it is unwise to put apps on a SD card .... it causes problems eventually as many apps aren't written properly.
microSD is about storing and accessing your own files anywhere any time and never having to sync. A nice sized music collection fits well on a 64Gb microSD and once its there you just enjoy all your music anywhere any time.
Many people have very little music to store or huge pirated collections that would never fit on a phone. But for dedicated music appreciators, A Samsung S3,4,5,6 is the ultimate music device with a good set of earphones or connected digitally to a home audio system.An S3 running PowerAmp connected to a good audio system is almost all you need even for home audio, but it is much better to use a PC