utomo99: Sony need to prepare for the next model which is much better. lonegr zoom, better image. including on low light using new sensor. and many other things.
just daydreaming! Sony produced THE very best (untill this last arrival!), but i guess some people can do even better then Best! ;)
nathondetroit: $1300 was a bargain. Not one that fitted my needs, but definitely a solid value. Rather than bash sony, how about we send them some love letters for redefining several product categories?
Nathondetroit, i Really do agree with you on how amazing job Sony is doind to advance photography! :D (unlike canikon, leica etc!!!) However, unfortunately i must desagree on the rest: Certainly NOT a bargain for most people! I am happy if it is for you, but there is a lot of other people around the world not as lucky as you! Enjoy your camera lucky one! :D
Retzius: I think this thing is going to have amazing image quality. Too bad it looks like butt.
Johan Borg: That really does not matter, like Roger Cicala From LensrentalsBlog says: please don't let my FACTS interfere in any way with your prejudice" (not exact words, but that was the idea! ;D
Or a more current translation: "haters gonna hate!"
Phathom: A fixed lens compact seems quite odd to me.
Marcelobtp, that is why i "gave" such small zoom amplitude and "low" apertures and above all NOT fixed ones! :) Of course, to be completely honest, i should have write 70mm instead of 80, but you know what, I am only day dreaming here so why not ask for more 10mm that for ME would make a true difference?! :D(EVEN if the true T would be more like f5.0!!! In any case that is already the usual lie that brands make us swallow everytime!!!)
Sonylover1: Tammy looks VERY nice on a 5D III with f8 on 600 mm.Compare it with Canon 200-400 with 1,4 extender at 560 mm f8.It is not a 10x times difference as of price...
DP must have a crappy 100-400 copy.The 100-400 at infinity or long range is superior in comparasion to many other zooms/ cheap fixed lenses.
Thanks again for the VERY nice&helpfull answer Sonylover!!!I can't help but to feel happy and sad at the same time with your comments about the IQ at 600mm!Let me explain: the fact that this Tamron is better at 600mm and costs way less then the Sigma its EXTREMELY important and good news for me!On the other hand, and i believe you will also understand me on this one just as well: the idea of having an 300mm f2.8...of being able to get a TRULY NICELY BLURRED background all the way from 120to300!!! (i guess the blur must be bigger then from a 70-200f2.8 at the same settings since the glass is so much bigger!! No??). The fact that it would be a 420 f4.0 it's also VERY attractive! But on the other hand having quality at 600 only if closing so much and costing twice as much as the Tamron... well, i am being really silly: if the Tamron is better and costs less i have no choice really!!! :)THANK YOU SO MUCH ONCE AGAIN!!! :D
I must agree a bit with you Phathom: i know it would be harder to build, but i think i would like way more to have a 3rd version with a 28-80 equivalent and f3.5-4.5! that would be very small, like a leica "tri-zoom"and also very good because there is no mirror in the way to complicate things! :DThe zoom is even more important since somehow the wide angle choice of Sigma is just far from being my favourite, and maybe the majority of Photographers would also prefer a 35mm f2.0 equivalent!
Could not agree more with Matty-boy: forpetessake, AFTER you try and wonder at the amazing colours AND resolution the foveon sensor gives, you can say something...for YOUrself! Everyone i know that likes the Foveon sensor likes it PRECISELY BECAUSE OF what you dismissed, you know, NOT EVERYONE is interested only in high ISOS and 1000s of photos in 3hours! MANY still PREFER 50 TRUE PHOTOS to 1500 crappy pictures that are only good to fill your HD!
THANK YOU A LOT Sonylover! :D
It was a most complete answer and way beyond anything i expected!!! :D
So i really don't want to sound rude but... I would like to ask you another question:Does this tamron seem better at 600@f8 then your 300+2X teleconverter@f8-11?
THANKS once again!!! :D
PS: It is a pity that focusing sens so hard(there is some update on its software by sigma! This very week! Maybe it could solve it?! :D), i still cannot afford the lens but it is VERY MUCH a plan for as soon as i have the Money: NOTHING in the other brands can compete with it in sheer versatility, and 50% of their price: a true dream lens!!! :D
Reilly Diefenbach: I really wanted to like this lens and buy it, but I tried it and found the rendition pretty awful on the D800e compared to just about any Nikon lens.
... (CONT) Besides the f6.3 aperture will force most people to increase the ISO, wich will most likely in real life turn the amazing sensor of 36megas to the 24 or maybe even 12megas equivalente! Just like sony proved with their lates Full Frame sensor of only 12megas!
Hope this helps, if not i will look for the best review of the lens that i found, were they explain all those issues very well! :)
Good weekend! :D
TT Martin, apart from VERY FEW EXCEPCIONAL optics like the Zeizz 55mm Otus, Sigma Art, Canon 200-400 etc almost none of the others do as well on higher pixel density sensors!There are other reasons for it for sure, but since canon reached 20+Megas MANY years ago, and way ahead of all the others, they were also the first to experience the lack of lenses able to REALLY DELIVER ALL THOSE megapixels!!! It comes not as a chock that in last years they produced some of their truly record breaking definition lenses instead of bringuind the oh so awaited 42-56megapixel sensor that ALMOST NONE of the lenses would be able to use!!! (not to mention the photographer's tecnique! ;)Besides, since usually 600mm lenses are used from a rather long distance, air conditions and proper tripod and or techinc will be WAY more importante then the pure optical definition! ... (continuation below)
Higuel: Is anyone having problens with their messages&alerts in dpreview???
Have a very good weekend!!! :)
Sorry Sonylover, but what do you mean by «you must give up F-steps... and 600mm at 9.0?
PS: how good is it's sharpness with 1.4x and 2xconverters???
Greg VdB: @RichRMA and others worried about the tele-side: check here for another comparison of this lens at 150mm and 500mm wide-open:
You'll see that if anything, their sample of the lens was sharper at 500mm...
This illustrates the big problem with lens testing sites: sample variation is very real, and basing nice numbers on just one copy is very much flawed! I've read somewhere that Roger Cicela from LensRentals acquired a new testing unit or so - here's hoping that he'll use it to systematically test at least ten copies of every type of lens he has and share the results with us. Because as it stands, lens review sites are pretty much useless to assess what one can expect from a lens sharpness-wise.
UNLESS... your name is Roger Cicala and you are actually more interested in the quality of what you writte instead of how easy and or fast you can writte it!!! :)If Dpreview has a shop they sure could test several exemples of a certain lens IF they wanted!!! :/
beavertown: The Nikon similar range costs 10 times more expensive.
Glad Tamron release a great lens to tell people what crap Canikon has been doing.
Not available anymore. Everyone says it is indeed special lens! But no IS, NO availability and no lens from 300mm to 600mm put it in a diferente league! ;)(that being said, if Sigma made it with IS i would sell 70-200 telezoom to buy it!!! :D
THE ONLY actually White Shadow! At least less expensive then his camera!!! Besides is a bit crazy to expect ANY 600mm lens to deliver 36MP at normal distance use!!!
John Ellis: Fuzzy at the telephoto end? Why else would I want a telephoto? Can't they make them sharp at the far end and horrible at the near end where I could care less?
JakeJones, with all due respect: there is NO relation between a 400mm and a 600mm!!!
wherearemyshorts: With no optical low-pass filter, is there a cover over the sensor?
If no cover how careful must one be to clean the sensor?
Or did I miss something?
Yep! However the article was in the AMAZING blog at Lens rentals!!! Simply and by far THE best tests on the net nowadays! BY FAR!!! :D
Is anyone having problens with their messages&alerts in dpreview???
Positively hate this BAD design of dpreview in splitting a single news in almost a dozen different pages!
Not to mention that when we choose to read an article the next page is still THE SAME small introduction and i have to click it again!...
If Dpreview reviewed a camera that worked like that, they surely would say they don't like a camera that asks them not once BUT TWICE if they want to really do what they said they want!!!
Is it all to get more clicks???
Is it really worth it?
goshigoo: Can anyone tell me the reason for getting these lenses?Is 40-80 mm f/4.0-5.6 @ 645 equivalent to 25-50mm f/2.8-4 @ 135 FF ?
Why don't you just get a Canon 5D III + 24-70 f/2.8L??
Cont to Goshigoo: To be honest sometimes i like the slight glow you get at f1.4 around bright edges* but not always! And i have no doubt that here the 75mm wins hands down!!!
Now, if you think that you can buy a 75mm AF under 250$ or €... well, now you know why i am happy i got mine! ;D
PS: DO use the net to get as much information as your heart(&mind) desire! The Internet can indeed be a truly wonderful thing to learn! Just be aware of all the trolls and the "I-know-it-all" that actually NEVER did nothing related to it! ;D
Now enjoy the nice weather for some Nice photos! :D
* I believe it is some remains of Astigmatism aberration, someone more knowledge then i am in pure optics can confirm.