yabokkie: this lens has to be awesome, as good as EF-M11-22 for that's one of the reasons we need mirrorless mount.
@ abortabort: hy, i im a canon user, and got the 10-22 a few months ago, for the first time in my life i wanted to exchange it: the corners at 10mm were really bad with the 70D!!! only at 10mm but that is the focal for wich i bought it!!! (i had the 15-85 IS before!). I went to the shop and was lucky enough that a friend there helped me tested against another sample just arrived from japan(tripod and all, naturally!) there was a very tiny diference... and mine was better actually! I supose that the tests in Photozone.de etc were in lesser demanding sensors! :(
WOAH!!!! WHAT A LENS!!! XDNO ONE makes anything like this!!! And if their other lenses are any prove, it should be very sharp also!!! Amazing work Fuji!!! :D
THANKS SIGMA!!! mr lazzy canon needs some serious competition, especially now that they stopped this lens production in favour of the 24-70f4 wich is so much worst for general shooting!!!Once again: THANK YOU SIGMA!!! :DAt least some brands are still being inovative and giving Photographers not only what they need but even what they dream of XD
Alec: On the one hand, we want Nikon to keep making innovative cameras and lenses, and it needs to be profitable in order to do so. On the other hand, I believe the hypothetical $40 lens cap does not prompt innovation - on the contrary it causes complacency.
What is in our best interest? What is in Nikon's and other makers' best interest? What does the future hold? I have not enough characters left to express that here, but I just did on my O2 blog - see http://karasevstudio.com/o2/2013/155
THE IDEA STANDS lensbeginner!!!But don't let us stop u!!!GO AND BUY SUCH IMPORTANT AND CHEAP LEENS HOOD!!!Actually, if it make u fell better, BUY TWO!!! ;D
paddleleps: Nikon forgets that a customer doesn't really care about whether a repair is in warranty or out of warranty repair. If you make some or all of your income from photography you just want your camera repaired PROMPTLY. In my 30 year experience as a pro, during which I have been primarily (but not exclusively) a nikon I have yet to experience a prompt repair from Nikon. I am not bashing just being honest. The main reason I sought out independent repair was the service I got directly from Nikon was exceedingly poor. Whether you are talking about the 70', 80's 90's or in the 21st century. Bottom line is Nikon just has little respect for their customers. All you have to do is read the post from the fellow who could not get the a nikon service manager on the phone. But could easily do so with canon. KUDOS! to canon. They get it. Their reward will be more customers and a larger market share.
tkbslc, with all due respect: Writte less and Read more and before! Dpreview is actually a VERY GOOD place for it!!! :D
micahmedia: Nikon has survived for far to long on quality alone. It's quite astonishing really. It's time for the parent company to step in and fix the repair and customer support issues.
First: the repair process needs an overhaul. If Nikon is to stop supplying independent shops with parts, they need to be able to handle all repairs themselves. Right now they don't do that in a timely or reliable manner. This has nothing to do with any natural disasters. I've been dealing with the same crap from them for the past 12 years, and the problems last year only magnified the existing inefficiencies. I still never receive a note when a repair is shipped.
Second: fix customer service! Customer service is the first line of defense before cameras go to the repair shop. Customer service is full of bad information and is also set up to treat the customer like a retarded toddler. Customer service exists to identify problems and address them, NOT to insult and píss off customers indiscriminately.
man, did u ever saw ANY movie made after the 60s??? o_O
or... do you know about that old box/new square called TELEVISION???
firemachine69: Some of you folks saying "it's your choice to buy Nikon" holds absolutely ZERO water.
That's like buying your Ford pickup, and after you've been going to your local garage for oil changes, Ford decides only its dealerships are capable of changing the oil, and is now voiding the warranty because you used your independent.
Even in Canada, this falls under the "negative billing" portion of the Consumer Protection Act. Totally illegal. I can't see how the much more restrictive USA would permit this type of stuff...
Class action lawsuit, indeed.
Sure josh 152! ever heard about windows internet explorer???
Case desmissed!!! ;)
(Read more, writte less!)
f311: I don't get the uproar.
Seriously, how can Nikon making the decision to take full control and responsibility of its repair network be a bad thing? If my camera needs a repair I would be pleased to know it's being handled by factory authorized trained professionals.
To that end, exactly what spare parts do so many cry babies here need to buy? Hint take care of your expensive stuff and parts won't break off. Really what parts besides port covers could the average user replace anyway.
And to all the whiners, relax, there will always be some independent guy out there who will be happy to take your money to install questionable ebay sourced junk parts from broken bodies. I'm sure he will also ignore all static discharge protection rules during your repair too.
Good luck with that one.
I'll send my Nikon to Nikon.
Ralph, thanks for being someone who actually knows what he/she is saying, and ABOVE ALL for giving us all TRUE AND VITAL INFORMATION!!!
(some pople forgot that dpreview is about information and NOT "my team is better then urs"!!!
THANK YOU once again!!! :)
shadowless: After 20 years of Nikon, and yes I waited for nikon to come up with the D200 when they where totally not competitive before. Now that Nikon no longer choose to be loyal to the old timer, I don't see the point of why I should continue to support Nikon. I will advice everyone who ask me about camera choice to get Canon from now on.
maybe you want to think that over: i use canon since 98, and they are EVEN worst in this matter! :L
Part1)WAY TO GO nikon!!I supose u didn't liked when analists predicted ur extinction in 5years! IT'S NOT SOON ENOUGH 4YOU!!! Just keep bashing your costumers and making their experience with ur products WORSE!!!That's the way! In my country usually nikon repairs,EVEN during garanty were AND MANY TIMES STILL ARE A JOKE!!! THIS very week a photographer was complaining about it,and had to get repairs from a private "mecanic" where i also go! I was there because my Friend's D80 BRAND SPANKING NEW WITH JUST 200 PHOTOS MADE AND KEEPT WITH SILICA IN PROPER BAG(he is a fully graduated Equipment Designer!) JUST DIED! Wich he discovered was a commom problem"killing"several nikon models of that period! (what the FUD!)Yes nikon,don't worry about making new&good products at reasonable prices! Focus in screwing people who ARE ALREADY UR CLIENTS!&SCREW ALL others who help2make sure ur cameras AND LENSES! keep working (wich by the way is ILEGAL in the 1rst world because it voids the healthy...
PART2/2) ...competition!!!), & keep coming cameras with compact sensors at the price of DSLRs! And also make really expensive ones 4the few old ppl willing to pay3k€ for a software limited machine that WILL NOT LET THEM USE THEIR OLD LENSES!!!(forget that OLD people have a tendency to not stay around or buy much more stuff and lenses! Especially after the doctor says it's over! And do you think their grandsons will want their grandfather/mother heavy and NOT movie capable DF?
KEEP IT UP Nikon! If it was not bad enough that you let canon get SO MUCH lead that now they hardly do anything new or good! Now you are trying to dig deeper and deeper into ur grave!!!Sigh! Well, at least we have Sony and Pentax to compete with canon and bring NEW AND REVOLUTIONARY THINGS!!! :D
PS: SORRY! I forgot Fuji!!! :D(what AMAZING APS sensors they make that are as good as canon's full frames!!! o_O(just compare it on Dpreview!!!)
Amnon G: Before the onslaught on Nikon begins...It is possible this is an oversight (i.e. testing at Nikon happens only with 1st party batteries).Claiming evil with no proof is just childish. It's unfortunate for sure, but hopefully will get resolved with another update shortly.I'm relating to reactions I've seen on different sites - I think that the step function reaction is a bit childish and assuming people don't know what they're doing (even though the person making the bold name calling doesn't have even a fraction of the data to make such claims) is irrelevant.Nikon's actions in the next few months will be the determining factor whether this was an oversight in good faith or really a silly attempt at making more money.
Sure, just like the D610 is not to cover the NOT assumed issues of the D600!
Its just the same BULL as when canon did the same with 3rd party lenses in the end of the 90s!!!
razadaz: Perhaps they are taking a leaf out of the Adobe Photoshop philosophy, using software to control and restrict the products use. Ten years from now we might have to rent all our cameras and lenses instead of buying them.
HELL NO!!! If they ever managed to make it happen, i would just revert to my old cameras! Me, and for sure MOST people!!!
Yes nikon, don't worry about making new and good products at reasonable prices! Focus in screwing people who ARE ALREADY UR CLIENTS! SCREW WITH ALL the others who help to make sure your cameras AND LENSES(!!!) keep working (wich by the way is ILEGAL in 1rst world because it voids the healthy competition!!!), and keep coming cameras with compact sensors at the price of Full reflex! And also make really expensive ones for the few old ppl willing to pay 3000€ for a softwere limitaded machine that WILL NOT LET THEM USE THEYR OLD LENSES!!!
...(PART3, and LAST!) TO sell it for at least twice as much the actual price! maybe 350 or 450 €?! ( and God forgive us to think about a good APS 30mm f1.4 like Sigma!!! It would go for some 800€!!! x_X Don't think so? just wait and we will see it in next year!!! ):(
Please do keep bringing us truly amazing optically tele-lenses that cost way more then any mortal can afford! But make it even more so: something like a new 100-400 IS L for 4000€ minimum!!! Why settle for the old price? lets just keep the latest fashion and sell it for at least twice as much as the one before!!!
Sincerely, your long term Disappointed client!
PS: what kind of flowers would you like in 8years?PS2: Thanks for reading!
... (PART2) the others! I do Love competition since it truly is the best way for evolution, who knows, if you are still in business in 5 or 8years(u should read the very recent study that hints about Mr Nikon disappearing in 5Years-and they AWAKE and are MUCH MORE proactive then you and always coming with WAY BETTER AND WAY CHEAPER CAMERAS for the last 2 or 3years!!!) we might start seeing REALLY new and revolutionary cameras AND lenses from you like you did so well in the 80s&90s!
PS: when u finally wake up and make an 50mm f1.8 don't forget to try and sell it for some ridiculous amount like 500€!Also, when finally you make an EF-S 30mm f1.8 (like nikon did many MANY years ago!) make it even worst build then the sweet 50mm f1.8II (that is how u evolved it before!), maybe make it in paper or already pre-fractured plastic! (mine broke the tiny plastic hooks that held in place the main lens group!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!) IT'S ALL PLASTIC INSIDE!!! And...Don't forget to... (end of part2)
Dear Canon, i am a user of ur cameras since film times in 1995, and i still am. Your attitude of lack of real development and advance in last years (since you got comfortable in the top of the sales pyramid year after year!) made me question my choice several times, i was however, like so many many others bound by my lenses in your bayonet! (even if most were from TRULY EXCELLENT Sigma APO and EX series!).however, and lots of people agree with me on this, (and i remember even some friend with the amazing nikon 800 who feel exactly the same and bough a tiny NICE micro 4/3 last month!).In any case, don't worry too much Mr canon, we will not stop having Amazing new cameras and REALLY evolutionary equipment, just like Olympus did with their very last "reflex" and their amazing f2.0 zooms! Or Sigma did with incredible 18-35 f1.8 Lens! or even Mr Sony with their very own and world first mirrorless full frame camera!!!So keep up the BAD work! and just make life easier for... (END PART1)
Get less, pay more!
It even does NOT have aperture ring! or split focus screen, or even as big viewfinder as the F3!!! (Not to mention the price of a good camera those days!)
Higuel: get less, pay more!
Plastek: it even does NOT have aperture ring! or split focus screen, or even as big viewfinder as the F3!!! (Not to mention the price of a good camera those days!)Like i said: get less, pay more!
The whole point of the torch is to carry THE flame! Absolutely no point in taking it unlit! With all this work and expense, the least they could do was devise some kind of safety transparent cover to encapsule it and have it working! Otherwise is simply pointless!