scott_mcleod: In-lens IS or IBIS. Either way. Maybe a bit better in the corners but 35mm EFOV is just right for this type of camera IMO, and stabilization would extend the available-light shooting ability tremendously. 28 is too wide, especially when you only have 16MP for cropping (if you need less wide, that is).
If they could make a less expensive Bayer version that'd be sweet (not holding my breath for that one!). Otherwise, don't mess with the formula, please!
@ rjx: I have taken plenty of shots with the Canon 35mm IS on FF at ISO 3200-6400, f/2 and 1/10s or slower. I don't know about you but I sure can't hold a camera steady at those speeds (tripod or monopod would be dangerous in this location so hand-holding only)
In-lens IS or IBIS. Either way. Maybe a bit better in the corners but 35mm EFOV is just right for this type of camera IMO, and stabilization would extend the available-light shooting ability tremendously. 28 is too wide, especially when you only have 16MP for cropping (if you need less wide, that is).
J A C S: 1. Very misleading graph (the 1st one). The vertical axis should start from 0.
2. "DxO does something similar in their 'Print' mode display of their data; however, that levels the playing field a bit much to an output of 8MP, [...]"
It does not. They show 2.4 EV difference at 8mp, you compute 2.5.
Re point #1 - I thought the same thing, and remember seeing exactly this technique in a classic book called "How to Lie with Statistics" back when I was in high school...
scott_mcleod: Maybe I'm imagining things, but the intro (and most of the review) seems very cagily worded - almost damning with faint praise - and includes some rather odd statements, such as, "a camera where you don't have to think about whether it has a mirror or not" (really? This is "a thing" now?) and "16MP isn't exactly cutting-edge at this point" (are there any m4/3 cams with more, at any price?). As for using "try" three times on the first page... how does it "try not to be mirrorless" any more than the E-M10? Or am I missing some critical difference in the form factor? (the hand-grip makes it "less mirrorless", perhaps?)
Seems like a very good camera to me. I almost get the feeling that the reviewer would like it better if it had a Samsung-style smartphone-like interface (kill me now, please) and is maybe selling potential buyers short in this respect.
BTW, it's "eke", not "eek"...
Fair enough with the MP comparison to APS-C. Maybe I was extra-sensitive to the way this review was written because I've been really looking forward to seeing how the G7 stacked up. A return to more direct external controls is something I am a big fan of - I enjoy using my old G2 for that exact reason.
Shame about the shutter shock, though. I wonder how much more a better-damped mechanical shutter would add to the price? Assuming there is one that would overcome the problem in such a lightweight body. It does seem strange that this is an issue when there's no reflex mirror "flapping around"! I would assume the mirror assembly would have more inertia than the shutter, but it doesn't seem to affect small DSLRs, even though APS-C shutters have more distance to travel...
Maybe I'm imagining things, but the intro (and most of the review) seems very cagily worded - almost damning with faint praise - and includes some rather odd statements, such as, "a camera where you don't have to think about whether it has a mirror or not" (really? This is "a thing" now?) and "16MP isn't exactly cutting-edge at this point" (are there any m4/3 cams with more, at any price?). As for using "try" three times on the first page... how does it "try not to be mirrorless" any more than the E-M10? Or am I missing some critical difference in the form factor? (the hand-grip makes it "less mirrorless", perhaps?)
Dundo Maroje: 3125 comments and counting. There are more comments then average taken photographs per person, cheers
Yeah I did a double-take when I saw that number. I wonder what the all-time DPR record is?
mjordan1: Please, please! No more reference to "fluorine" coatings. Fluorine is a gas at room temperature and very reactive. The coatings used are " fluoride" coatings e.g. calcium/magnesium fluoride, both of which are ionic compounds and not elements like fluorine.
I believe it's actually a fluorinated polysiloxane, but the specific details of the functional group/s are probably proprietary. FWIW.
rb59020: Here we go again, another Zeiss bashing session. Most of the readers here would have no problem blowing $800-$1000 on an unlocked iPhone5s that will be obsolete in six months.
What did you people do before the F3AF came out in '83? OMG! It's not autofocus! How am I supposed to take a photo without autofocus!?!
Forgetting about the price for a moment...
35mm manual-focus SLRs had large bright high-mag VFs with screens that made focusing a fast lens a snap (maybe not so much with wides but still...)
More of an issue (IMO) is that the Otus 55 weighs about a kilo (just under in F-mount, just over in EOS), making it heavier than a D800/5DIII (compare the 50/1.2 AIS Nikkor at 360g or the 1.4 at 249g). How is anyone supposed to hand-hold a setup like that and *accurately* focus at f/1.4 with the dodgy focusing screens in DSLRs? Solution: use LV and a tripod. The run'n'gun spontaneity and all-round usefulness that made the fast 50mm FL popular just went right out the window.
I think this an extremely specialized lens that just happens to have a "normal" FF focal length, rather than being the ultimate incarnation of the standard lens (somewhat like the 50/0.7, just not as extreme), hence much of the confusion.
DanCee: I recall my first digital Fuji Finepix A110, 1.3MP focus free, 20sec 15fps no audio video.. and memory was so expensive...very limited but was fun that time :)Too bad it's gone... would be a nice collection to have
My first digicam was a Finepix A101 (also 1.3MP focus-free). It ate batteries and was unpredictably slow (or not) to write an image. The XD cards (terrible idea) were small in capacity and very expensive. The colors were really great though, and the JPG compression was very minimal so overall IQ was better than you might expect from the specs, and the macro mode was better (sharper) than the standard mode. I got it as a Christmas present in 2001 and it saw me through until 2005 (including photographing the 2004 transit of Venus) when it was retired in favour of a short-lived (drowned) Canon A95. But I still have it and it still works!
Henry Falkner: In 1997 I bought an ES-1000 digital pocket camera. Later research showed it was made by Chinon, who I remember as a maker of Super-8 consumer-type Cine cameras in the 1960ies. The ES-1000 had a fixed lens, an optical tunnel view-finder and no LCD. Maximum resolution was 493x373 pixels. Pictures downloaded via RS232 cable to a PC. It had no external memory. The saving grace was, the Lithium battery lasted for ages, and contrast and saturation was better than I could get from scanning 5x7 inch 35mm camera prints.
Chinon! Now there's a name I haven't heard in years... I remember seeing the glossy and impressive-looking ads for the CP-5 SLR in Pop Photo (showing my age now!)
What, no camo/safari green?
f/2.8 and no VR = showstopper (for my uses). 1/2000 shutter, but nothing about a built-in ND filter?
This sounds like a potentially great idea that has enough things "up" with it to drive a lot of potential purchasers away. Like how the OVF costs more than the Oly/Panny/Sony add-on EVFs, for example, and I agree wholeheartedly with other posts that a 35mm EFOV lens would have more appeal.
scott_mcleod: Any specs for RAW buffer depth?
I didn't scroll all the way down Nikon's own page:- losslessly compressed 14-bit NEF: 6 framesSIX!!!Memory is so cheap nowadays I can't think of a rational explanation for a spec like this
Any specs for RAW buffer depth?
Gothmoth: i hope it kills the overpriced EF 35mm f2.
Why would anyone *hope* such a thing?
The 35/2 has IS and costs less (though the "street" price of the Sigma may be lower). It's one stop slower in *theoretical* light-gathering/action-stopping power but the 4-stop IS makes it usable in 3EV less light (I say theoretical because the vignetting is unknown for the Canon)
Personally I think competition (and choice) is a good thing; why you do not is beyond me.
"One big question here is why you'd choose the 24-70mm f/4 over the EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM, which may be 7 years old, but offers a more versatile zoom range at a current street price around £850 / €900."
One word: *corners*
I just bought and almost immediately returned a 24-105L because the corners were shockingly bad all the way from 24-50mm. In its defense it *was* sharp on center, even wide open, but got rather soft and "dreamy" at 105mm. If I want "soft and dreamy" I'll shoot a 50-year-old Russian RF lens. And yes, I did my research - I wasn't expecting miracles but I wasn't expecting total, illegible mush 1/3 of the way into the frame either. The 15-85IS on a 7D killed the 24-105/5DIII in every way.
If the new 24-70L IS is sharp into the corners wide open (and f/4 is not *really* very wide open...) it will be worth every cent. Ditto for the new 35/2 IS - I can't wait to get my hands on one of these - if it performs like the new 24 & 28 IS lenses it will be a winner, IMO.
diforbes: Is there lens correction support for Panasonic and Olympus MFT lenses yet?
@R Butler - yeah, but precisely because of that, you can't turn it off! CA correction is fine, but distortion correction is always destructive (though in the case of the Panny 20/1.7 a lot less than I expected). It would be nice to at least have the option; in some instances the distortion may be unnoticeable but the improvement in edge sharpness won't be... or to choose some intermediate value. There are plenty of reasons why I think the "embedded" lens profiles are a bad idea. Other than that Lr rocks!
km25: Leaf shutters are good for flash sync.. But for very day use FP is so much better. I saw this "change" coming. In the olden days, Rolli came out with a 1/800 electro leaf shutter, it had the same caveats. This camera was not well thouht out.
@Raist3d - I know, you can get decent results in pretty low light using a FF camera with a 50/1.4 lens cranked to about ISO3200. Street shooting is about as far from my bag as you could get (well almost) - but for an all-round travel/hiking camera, I have been in plenty of situations where IS is a huge asset (e.g. caves at EV 3), as freezing subject motion is irrelevant and you at least have the *option* of keeping the ISO under control... otherwise you might as well be using an EOS-M with a stabilized zoom lens at ISO800. Everyone's needs are different, I just wish there was room in the Sonnar for OIS.
The use of a leaf shutter with it s extremley low vibration may go some way to mitigate the lack of any kind of stabilization, which IMO is an extraordinary omission at this pricepoint, and the one thing (besides price!) that would probably be a "show-stopper" for me with this camera. YMMV.
JacquesBalthazar: I agree with others this is going to be a hard sell, as both Nikon and Canon have really excellent AF alternatives at that same focal length and aperture.
CZ's 100mm f2 Makro-Planar is more unique, and makes more sense.
But I do not agree that manual focus is that difficult even with current high res DSLRs. Would be better with a proper ground glass screen, but it is not that hard, and, in Nikon's case anyway, the electronic rangefinder is not as useless as some seem to think. A bit quirky, but there are "tricks". I do not find I need Liveview for conistent focus.
Agreed - MF is a lot easier with longer lenses than short ones, because subject details are magnified making it easier to see them on the focusing screen. At least in my experience...
And yes the 100/2 is an awesome lens :)