Walter: Moire used to be a nightmare on all sorts of shots in early digital years..post production was endless to remove...does the nightmare return? Or do you just use this camera for pictures that won't have it? That aside it looks great and will be very tempting for many...
I am not really convinced but that is ok...I wonder if all makers of DSLR'S will now abandon the filter....? If it makes no difference and moire is not an issue why have one? I can see that photography of nature and general photography might be fine butI struggle to believe that you will not get moire if you photograph an executive with a fine striped/patterned shirt/suit. Screens and patterns in architecture are common and can be difficult....just curious really..if no problem great.
So you would be happy to shoot architecture and executive portraits with this camera...? Just curious ..I don't follow moire issues on Nikon cameras....I am sure this camera would be great for landscape.
Moire used to be a nightmare on all sorts of shots in early digital years..post production was endless to remove...does the nightmare return? Or do you just use this camera for pictures that won't have it? That aside it looks great and will be very tempting for many...
tornwald: We need to know nothing, because Adobe is dead.
Barry I agree that Photoshop these days is not necessarily a good match for the masses. I always felt that Photoshop was designed for professionals and perhaps serious amateurs from the outset. There was a phase when it seemed that everybody was talking about having "shopped" their pictures. We have all seen basic Photoshop used crudely...these days it is not necessary to use it/own unless complicated serious work is being done. Adobe know this and seem to be going back to their roots which will upset some but professionals will appreciate it. I remember when Dpreview was frequented by leading photographers prepared to share their invaluable experience...things have changed ...they have left and rather than appreciate technological advance it seems that almost every change is greeted with dissension..I just download CC 2014 which will require updating some plugins and exploring new features but it is nice to be able to flick back to the previous version until I have sorted that.
Walter: The effort that Adobe has taken to make this change is obviously a response to thought out comments that mainly pros have made. There are a lot of hair trigger responses by ideologues to every post about Adobe that will not change anything. A quote from the wonderful Maya that could just make life better for each one of us is... "If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain."
I really believe that if there are genuine flaws in CC software Adobe will listen. Bleating on about the "Cloud" and wanting something for free just is not going to change anything.....can't change it......?
Now the Facebook app that uses your computer microphone to record everything you say and stores it ...that is worrying.....:) Anyone strong enough to give up FB?
Professional photographer for thirty five years....best years of film...worst years of digital and still trucking... no Adobe connections. Trotting out the old 101 and Adobe employee arguments are banal and weak...why not just accept that Adobe have lots of satisfied customers.... If you don't need...want or like the Adobe model fine but don't expect to be the only voice on the block. Oh yeah...try "changing" the weather.
Walter: Most people who did not read the headline would not have realised there was a problem - the software just kept working. The "cloud " is just a step along the way, horses to automobiles if you like. Someone earlier could not grasp the concept. In the past horses died, more recently computers crashed, of course nobody ever had an external hard drive die with all the files on it ..never to see the light of day again. Cloud backup just gives an additional way to save stuff. I still remember the horror when solicitors stored all their faxes only to return years later to blank pieces of paper.
I personally like the seamless Adobe updates... I use the software everyday and it is more stable than ever... the cost is proportionate to value for money for me. There are all sorts of other software if you want to "own"...hey ho...another storm in a " half full" teacup.
As for the article....? Keep them coming Dpreview it is nice to be updated with what is going on with links to work arounds.
Did it affect you?....anyone you know? Again you ignore a real question...what about Mary Ellen Mark? If you don't know who she is you can google but what about the comment?
Wow ..howaboutraw...you still here arguing about cloning. After reading each post again it is interesting how quickly you shifted from "the cloud" and the 24 hour outage which affected no one. Not one of your comments is a "winner" throughout the whole thread.I would love to hear what you think about my Mary Ellen Mark quote....
I was one who hoped film would run alongside digital but once the pro labs started scanning negatives I had enough and changed. I have always said that Adobe CC is not for everyone and that is fine. There are and will be alternatives that work just fine...I am one who finds certain things hard to change. I have always enjoyed using Photoshop and don't like the idea of having to invest huge amounts of time to learn a new software.(I am hate reading technical manuals ;) ) I can cope with the small incremental changes that Adobe make..... Having said that I moved to Mac this year and when I go back to my PC I can't imagine going back. Funny old world...
1:Do you know of Maya and the context of her quotes....?
2: Of course things can be changed...but I can "guarantee" that you ottonis will not change the cloud. You can moan and groan all you like.....
3: What you don't seem to get is that there are over a million users happy to pay for Adobe's innovation.... there are always a very small handful of vocals telling them they are nuts for buying into CC but in reality it works fine. Yes no doubt Adobe have lost some but the groundswell is on their side and in a year or two people will have adjusted their thinking to a "change" they could not make... something new and different will take its place and the cycle will repeat. Some people just struggle to adjust and have no vision.... I still remember when people would not buy a mobile phone or get a computer....or even buy a digital camera! I remember professional photographers playing catch up because they dug in their heels....many just fell by the wayside.
The effort that Adobe has taken to make this change is obviously a response to thought out comments that mainly pros have made. There are a lot of hair trigger responses by ideologues to every post about Adobe that will not change anything. A quote from the wonderful Maya that could just make life better for each one of us is... "If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude. Don't complain."
carizi: Good reason enough to stay away from cloud services.
Post production is a generic term these days and includes photography. As we are discussing a still photographic editing software I don't know why you would be confused..
Conclusion: For several years I was frustrated by Adobe's activation system and their strict one platform rule ...that annoyed me so I do understand the frustration of some. I think the whole system is now much easier and user friendly.....all you have to do is pay..;) Some people are determined to see the worst in Adobe CC and rather than focus on the enormous benefits of the best post production software we have at the moment they look for every argument not to use it... Answer don't buy it..there will soon be an alternative...here is the rub....it won't be perfect and it won't be free and it just might not be as good.
Years ago I worked as a technician on an art degree course. It was my responsibility to make sure that students had what they needed...I was in fact paid for this. If a computer technician can not validate computers used by students once a month he is pretty useless I would suggest. I agree that there could be some situations where a short term failure is possible ...big deal. There is more to life than a few hours without Photoshop....or computers.
Month to month rental would surely be for specific assignments but even so you still get 30 days offline... but of course you know that. I guess Adobe CC is not for you..... I can't imagine anyone waiting 97 days to validate...and then finding the server was down on the 98th and 99th? Your argument is revealing......
For annual members, you can use the apps for up to 99 days in offline mode as the software is stored on your computer.....
Good reason not to rely on a cloud service as the only means of storage...especially if you need constant access. I can't believe that many would not keep copies on their computer. If you use CC daily and are connected to the internet you have at least 30 days before an internet outage is going to be a problem....or have I got that wrong?
Lord Sloth: CC vs' the CS model:pay for software or pay for the privilege of using software, I know where my money would be going.
But if Adobe are going for the dumb terminal and use our servers for the number crunching,, then happy days!!!!!The cost of upgrading my PC Vs' paying for off site processor power, no brainier!!!I wish Kolor Autopano Giga would offer me this.
Marcin, it sounds like you don't need CC if you are moving away from earning a living from photography. Are you in a country where the internet goes down regularly..that could be a real pain.
Marcin if you are worried about all these reliability things perhaps you shouldn't be a photographer... Not long ago photographers (film days) carried around a constant tension on every important job.... Did they get the exposure right? Would the lab mess up their film? That was the price of being a professional and they got paid handsomely to get it right...I always admired wedding photographers who never let down a bride and groom on their special day...now everybody is a photographer but that is another story. We have never had it so good....Adobe are not the enemy...the enemy is within.
I keep everything backed up by using Time Machine for my files and software. I use another external hard just for photographs, the very best are on the "cloud" (not Adobe) as well...just in case the house burns down. We have never had it so good...in the past when disaster struck "all" was lost... but it just might be a good idea to print your best pictures on archival paper and put them in a shoe box in a bank vault.;)
When I changed over to CC I kept my CS6 as a backup just in case. I would guess that photographers that really need to use CC everyday did that or have some sort of backup to use...that is just being professional. LR5 comes bundled and does not need a regular activation...it could get you over an emergency...if the post production in CC is more complex then the client will just have to wait....this sort of things happens in alL walks of work... sadly we live in an imperfect world. If you are a hobbyist just go and take some more photographs or have a beer and chill.
I would not lease a car...I am old fashioned that way...like to own my steed. Funny though...I really like the regularly updated model...CC.
Here is a Mary Ellen Mark quote from American Photographer "Mark remains as old school as it gets. She still shoots film and maintains a strict code against digital tweaking, a policy she says stems from early in her career, when changing a picture was considered wrong. “I am a realist and I believe that the most interesting things come from reality, and that has not changed,”
Just shows we are all different...celebrate the difference....maybe take some nice pictures....while your bus or train are delayed ;)