40daystogo: An Australian newspaper's report on Adobe CC. The conclusion: "As an amateur photographer, are you ready to sign up for a year's subscription at $600 to use Photoshop? We thought not."
Real amateurs can use Elements. Advanced amateurs and pros can use Lightroom. And if you need Photoshop, Photoshop CC, if you own CS6, is less than $120 first year, and less than $240 after that.
GD Potash: I'm a crime scene investigator, and we use photoshop quite a bit. Unfortunately, Adobe's move will alienate the law enforcement community for one key reason:
We live on grant money, for the most part. We can pay the cost of software, but we may only be able to upgrade every few (3-5) years, when new grant money is available. Subscriptions are death to us simply because we may not have enough money in the budget to continue to AFFORD it after the grant period is up. Grant money may pay for purchase of a CS6 perpetual license, but the subscription cost may eat up 10% or more of a unit's consumables budget.
I'll be presenting on photography at this year's IAI conference in Providence, RI, and I'm modifying my presentation to address Adobe's folly (and discuss alternatives to PS in the forensic community).
Get Lightroom 5. I can't imagine anything a crime scene investigator would need to do in CS6 that can't be done in LR5.
How to save $50 to $80 on Creative Cloud (for Pro Photographers)...
If you're like me, and use Lightroom 4 and Photoshop CS6, you're probably excited about the new Lightroom 5 and the upcoming Photoshop CC.
Lightroom 5 was released yesterday, and I almost downloaded the full version today, but then realized that my beta version is good through June 30. Because I own Photoshop CS6, I have until July 31st to get the $19.99 rate on the Creative Cloud. By continuing to use my beta version of Lightroom 5 through June 30, then downloading trial versions of the full versions of Lightroom 5 and Photoshop CC on June 30th, plus whatever other CC software I want to use, which will be good until July 30, I will save over $80, since the Creative Cloud will be $49.99 a month after my 1st year. And if you can't wait to try out Photoshop CC, you can still download trial versions of it and Lightroom 5 when the CC versions are released which will last you for 30 days, which will still save you $50.
Interesting, the updater said it was installing camera raw 7, when I got done, I checked it in Photoshop, and it is version 8.1.
"It will provide the angle of view and depth of field control of an 86mm F3.2 lens for a full-frame system" is in the 2nd line.
See why ALL Micro Four-Third lenses lose two full f-stops of depth of field control at http://discoverfullframe.com.
johnbarry: A stupid, cynical move by a monopoly company and i hope it backfires badly. My livelihood depends on photoshop, with a minimum of six seats, and this will cost far more than i pay for upgrades. Not to mention the tenuous proposition of ongoing payments to ensure that I can keep working, a temporary financial hiccup and i'm out of businessI Not to mention the mess with ACR not working for new camera models if I stick to CS6, i dont want to work with Lightroom, I have a better workflow with Media Pro and Photoshop at the moment.What a self inflicted mess, Adobe! And for my laptop, what about having to connect to the internet every 30 or 90 days when i work in remote parts of the world with no access. If i go CC then photoshop will be deactivated and i wont be able to do any post production on location.This is one of the great corporate screw-ups of all time
They mention that ACR WILL be backwards compatible with CS6, something NOT true with what they've done in the past.
Lensjoy: What steams me the most about Adobe's plan is that if I have existing files and don't keep my subscription current, I can't edit those files as I could with a perpetual license. Also, if I don't use Photoshop for a month, I'm still paying for it. If Adobe were to go to metered access where I paid by the hour for the product I might be happier than with a subscription. At least I would be paying for what I use. Subscriptions are just a way to get money from people even if they are not doing anything with the product or don't need the new features.
Photoshop has always had "turn compatibility on" as an option, going back several versions of Photoshop. Just leave this on and you won't have a problem.
Lenzray: According to dpreview poll, it is not the cost that is stinging most people. It is the fact that you have to pay.....forever.Forever is a long time, it is the fundamental problem with renting. If you stop paying you have Nothing. Forever is a long time to pay for what ends up having no residual value.If they bring on the rental price increases, you may end up with Nothing sooner than you think...........
I know we like to "own" our software, and while I HATE monthly fees, if you really think about it, how much of the software that you're purchased 5 years ago and still "own", are you still using? I "own" Tiger, and Lion, but I don't use them anymore. You can still buy CS6 and use it forever, but why would you want to?
Bill Buchanan: Photoshop CC with Camera Shake? Sounds like Adobe Shakedown.
I’m furious about Adobe’s decision not to offer Photoshop as a boxed software and make it subscription only.
I am 72 years old and live on a fixed and declining income. I have been a loyal user of Photoshop since 1995 when I purchased my first computer. I faithfully bought every upgrade by saving my quarters and popping for the upgrade every 18 months.
I hope enough Photoshop users worldwide get PO'd over their greedy decision. This is truly a sad day for amateur photographers. The Crack Dealer has just changed the rules.
Yes, the pricing is a bit more, but if you've always paid for every Photoshop upgrade, this will cost you $120 over the next 12 months instead of paying $199 for CS7. The second year based on current pricing would cost $240, but sometime in the 2nd year there would have been CS8, so you would have paid $398 under the old system versus $360 under the new.
acahaya: I have a question that imo was not answered before.I have a CS6 license (not extended). If i buy 1 month PS CC, i'll be able to download and use CS6 extended for a month because CC only offers the extended version. If i decide after 1 month that my original CS6 is enough for me, can i still use it or was my CS6 boxed license changed to a CC license and i cannot use what i already paid for?
I friend of me who owns a CS6 extended version bought a 1 month subscription for PS CC. Since the PS version available in CC is still CS6 extended and not CS7 as their adds make you believe, all he received was a notification that his CS6 extended installation is up to date and that his license model was changed to subscription. He paid for something he already has and although he contacted Adobe, he got no reply reagarding the question if he had to continue to pay the subscription and he also did not get a refund.
You'll always be able to use CS6 (not extended). I'm in the same situation.
I don't know if you also use Lightroom. I use both, and I'm probably going to get the complete CC suite for one year at $19.95 a month, which after one year, is only $40 more than just getting Photoshop CC and paying $79 to upgrade Lightroom. I would like to try Dreamweaver, In Design, Illustrator, etc., and to use them for $40 total for the year seems worth it.
After one year, if I don't like the pricing options, I'll go back to CS6 and I'll pay $79 to get Lightroom 6 (which should be out in June 2014).
Jylppy: Smart Previews sound definitely good one, but otherwise I am not in hurry to upgrade from LR 4.4.
Here is my wish-list for improvement: - Performance improvement. Quad-core 64bit Win7 with 8GB RAM seem not to be fast enough... Maybe I need to go for SSD next- Super-fast previews without/before/during import for photo selection (aka FastPictureViewer). - Focus Peaking in Library/development modules: Automatic highlight of areas that are in focus- Automatic photo ranking based on photo quality (focus/blurriness, 2. exposure) . LR could run face recognition to the images and then check whether eyes are in focus- Noise reduction can still be improved- Auto level options could have some AI added. Auto Level constantly fails on certain type of images. The tool could learn from users settings and adapt its behavior. - Better / easier sync/merge between catalogs to facilitate Desktop/laptop catalog sharing and editing on multiple computers.
Lightroom 4 was so much better than 3 in its control, and it's color engine. The Adobe Camera Raw is the same as PS6. But 5, with it's healing brush, full screen view, and Upright tool, rocks. If you're a pro at all, the upgrade was and is worth $79.
arscii: Call me when Lightroom supports layers. Until that time it's being deliberately crippled by Adobe to protect Photoshop revenues.
Lightroom doesn't need Layers. It's non-destructive. You can use the brush tool, and by clicking on the checkbox in the lower left, you SEE the mask. It has quite excellent edge detection, and one brush can do a multitude of things. The one huge feature that 5 has is now a retouching brush, whereas 4 and under only did spot retouching. You can start in Lightroom, do all the Adobe Camera Raw adjustments, most retouching now, and if you need to do more, or use levels, then move it to Photoshop. I use Lightroom with PS6, but 85% of what I need to do I can do in Lightroom.
And the many 15% off codes on the internet for Nik work too! Just Google Nik discount codes and you'll find many.
From DP Review: In a blog post, the company has announced, as a part of its 'spring cleaning' it has decided to shut down Snapseed and Google Reader, among other products.
The blog entry says they are shutting down the DESKTOP version of Snapseed, but not the mobile. The above line gives the impression that Google is killing Snapseed completely. Also, I use Nik software, and killing the desktop version of Snapseed could be good for Nik, as Google wants us to use Nik software. (Although personally I don't want every wannabe pro using Nik).