Will Gerrits: In 2013 when everything electronic is minimizing , compare cellphones in 2005 and now, in the department handling there should be more focus on size. In that aspect this Canon is big, very big. Moreover if you consider the enthusiast photographer is not carrying just a single (zoom)lens but a few lenses : the size and the weight you have to carry around for a longer time is a problem that's not taking into account in this review. Please DPReview addept your reviewing aspects to 2013 -2020 standards and don't stay in the low 2000's
To be fair...one of the editors (forgive me if I forget who it was), posted an article back in August or September basically saying that they no longer lug around their DSLR because there are so many compelling compact alternatives.
But outside of your assessment of the level of awareness of the editors, I agree with what you're saying. A lot of people (including me) aren't interested in lugging around a big camera like the 70D anymore. If I go for a dayhike, I would rather take a G15/G16 or a Rebel SL1.
JimBob0: Is anyone here a real photographer? You know, someone who actually takes good photographs? Or does everyone just argue about minor specification details that no one will ever see or notice in a photograph?
I'm beginning to worry that too many commentators can only take a good photograph if they have the very best camera to do it rather than actually having the skill or talent to take a good photo in the first place.
Too many dull nerds here.
I don't think there's been camera announcement within the past year where someone hasn't gone into the comments section and declared the camera "junk" or "trash". Especially the smaller sensored ones.
But at the same time, people are right to level criticism towards camera companies for charging significantly more money for cameras that are only minor refreshes over their predecessors (this is especially true in the enthusiast compact segment right now). Camera companies are shooting themselves in the foot by getting greedy in a buyer's market.
mpgxsvcd: The conclusions should have looked more like this.
Pros:It is a Canon camera
Outstanding image Quality for a sensor using 4 year old technology.
Dynamic Range that a compact camera would be proud of.
Battery life that equals its competition when in the off position.
Inventive new Auto Focus that delivers almost as good auto focus as the original Mirrorless cameras
Enables Canon to make a profit by requiring you to rebuy all new versions of your lenses.
How does the sensor use 4 year old technology? It debuted with this camera.
Low ISO shots are superb. ISO3200 looks alright but it appears Sony is applying quite a bit of noise reduction at that sensitivity to keep the JPEGS clean. Probably better to shoot RAW and apply noise reduction on your own if you want to shoot that high up the ISO scale. But of course if you don't pixel peep routinely you may never notice.
Phil of Cilcain: The only 'real' premium superzoom camera was the Panasonic DMC-FZ200? Did someone forget the Fuji X-S1? With its manual zoom its a classic.
I tried out the XS-1, I thought the image quality was pretty good. But I thought the image stabilization was sub par, and my copy of it...the LCD would start flickering if there was a slight breeze, plus it was too heavy. But if Fuji could cut a little weight off of the camera and release a new one with the x-trans sensor that might be a compelling camera.
VadymA: The IQ of the samples is just horrible even by the small sensor standards.
I think they are better than the ones from the G16, P7800, and S120.
AbrasiveReducer: Nice. It's too bad current technology does not allow for a larger sensor in a package this size.
I don't think we're that far off from a camera like that, at the rate things are going. In fact, I wonder if the camera companies already have the technology at their disposal to make such a camera but are worried that it will cannibalize sales of similarly priced ILCs/DSLRs.
Excellent image quality.
white shadow: @ Ajax2u
You are right. After all the hype about the RX100M2, I tested the camera a few days ago. Despite all the good things people say about it, I find the camera is not as user friendly as my G12 or the G16. What's very good about the G12 is you get all the important dials (controls) like ISO, mode and exposure compensation up front and not in the menu. Sometimes, I wish my DSLR has that too. You get to change those variables in an instant. The grip is also better. 10Mp on the G12 is more than enough. I shot a night scene resting the camera on a rail and could make an A3 enlargement with it using ISO100, f/4.0 and 5sec exposure.
The G series has much better macro capabilty, useful for casual closeup shots of flowers and still life. Battery life is longer.
One can get an underwater housing for the G series but I am not so sure about the RX100M2.
So, even if the G series has a smaller sensor, it is a more versatile camera to use.
I like the G series cameras but if Canon wants to continue to be relevant in the enthusiast compact market, they are going to have to up their game some. The Sony RX100II may be as slippery as a bar of soap but the output from that camera is in a whole 'nother league. Canon would help themselves immensely in this segment if they A) lowered the price of the G16 and B) Released a follow-up to the G1X that at least rivals the speed of the G16 in terms of operational performance. It's not just Canon...but Nikon P7800 is way overpriced, and Olympus was out of their minds charging $600 to start for the XZ-2. 1/1.7" will soon represent the lower end of the camera market and should start to be priced accordingly.
HiHai: So if I shoot RAW most of the time, I can save money by getting G15?
Yes. There isn't that much that separates the two in terms of image quality.
pixperfect: I would like to know about the body of the G16, metal or plastic?I am comparing the Canon G16 and the Nikon P7800. I would like to know where the Canon G16 is made? I know the Nikon P7800 is made in China and I have heard that the Canon G16 is made in Japan.Between 2 cameras, one made in Japan and the other one made in China, I guess that most people will buy the one made in Japan, even though the P7800 has a better lens.
I think it's high-grade plastic over a metal frame.
43rumors.com released the specs list for the camera:
- 1/1.7 inch back illuminated sensor with 12 million pixel. Probably this is the same sensor as the XZ-2 has (Sony BSI CMOS) - 28-300mm f/2.8 constant aperture lens. - 12 pieces in 10 groups with zero coating and control ring - in lens stabilziation - Automatic retractable lens cap - ISO100-12800 - Shutter -1/2000 seconds 60 seconds - Video 1920 x 1080 30p - 1.44 million dots EVF with Eye sensor. - 3 type, movable, 1.04 million pixels touch panel monitor - Equipped with a Wi-Fi function, can work with smartphone - 116.2 x 87 x 56.5mm size - (Battery, media, including cap) 402g Weight
If these indeed are the specs...I would say a $700 price tag is justified. Even though we all know it's not really an F2.8 due its sensor...the fact that it's constant throughout such a wide focal range is pretty remarkable for what looks like a relatively compact camera.
JEROME NOLAS: Is this special for you enough?
It really depends on how fast the lens is on this forthcoming camera. If they stick a relatively fast Zuiko lens on the camera then that would almost justify the high price. But we will just have to wait and see.
Maybe I'm being a bit cynical but I don't see a lot of takers at the $700 price point unless this camera is really something special.
Kodachrome200: sorry but until some one makes a compact enthusiast camera with a one inch sensor that is that small, every other compact is essentially an also ran compared to the rx100. Personally i have a GR because i dont need zoom so i like to have an even bigger sensor.
But there just will be no advantage to any other pocket size camera till they start doing one inch sensors too. the advantage in low light, dof, and image quality are just too much to ignore
You can still make nice pictures with it though. As I alluded to in the other comments section, it's not my first choice because I like the touch screen on the Canon S120 but outside of that it's kind of fun in a way to push a camera like this to the limits to see what it's really capable of.
It's a good looking little camera and the image quality is probably decent. But the Canon S120 still looks more appealing in this price segment due to the excellent capacitive touch screen it incorporates.
vapentaxuser: Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't the camera market in kind of a slump right now? I mean DSLRs are still selling okay but they only look better in comparison because the compact market has tanked. Against that backdrop, I think Nikon's suggested starting MSRP of $1400 for the kit with the 18-140 lens is quite steep. Then again...Sony's new RX10 with its 1" sensor is going for $1300. But is the 18-140 really good enough to command a $600 premium over the body only kit? The good thing is that Holidays are coming and I could totally see walking into Costco and finding this kit for $200 under MSRP.
Also, would it kill Nikon to add a second dial for settings adjustment? I just don't understand why it is with the big two you have to buy their high end APS-C models to get a second dial. Nikon puts several dials for adjusting settings on the P7800 enthusiast compact but you can't get it on the D5300. All that said...no question that image quality is going to be superb from this camera.
@marike6 I know...but generally speaking a lens costs less when you buy it in a kit with a camera. I think Nikon should at least knock $100 of the price of the lens when included with the kit.
I was surprised when I looked at Amazon's best selling cameras list this past weekend to see that a lot of the best selling cameras are still point and shoots. But the #3 best selling camera was the Canon Rebel T3i so while I'm not sure that the market for P&S has fallen off as much as people say, affordable APS-C is more popular than ever.
Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't the camera market in kind of a slump right now? I mean DSLRs are still selling okay but they only look better in comparison because the compact market has tanked. Against that backdrop, I think Nikon's suggested starting MSRP of $1400 for the kit with the 18-140 lens is quite steep. Then again...Sony's new RX10 with its 1" sensor is going for $1300. But is the 18-140 really good enough to command a $600 premium over the body only kit? The good thing is that Holidays are coming and I could totally see walking into Costco and finding this kit for $200 under MSRP.
vapentaxuser: I like the weather-sealing, and we already know the 20MP sensor in this camera is an excellent performer based on its performance in the RX100 II. But the question mark for me is the lens...is the performance consistently good throughout its entire focal range? Past Vario Sonnar T* Sony/Zeiss have all been good performers (based on my experience with the 16-80 A mount lens and the one on the RX100 II)...I would spend $1300 on this camera if I had confirmation that the lens is all its cracked up to be.
That said, I applaud Sony for putting out a camera like this despite the price being a little steep. It probably comes the closest to "having it all" in a fixed lens camera.
Well, as someone mentioned before you can get an APS-C or Micro 4/3rds camera with a comparable focal length zoom lens for the same price.