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I have no problem with Pentax using the (presumably Sony) 1/1.7" sensor in their camera. It has proven a good performer in the other cameras where it has been used.
What I really think Pentax should've done to really distinguish it from the crowd, given its reputation for affordable weather-proofed options, is given the camera weather-sealing. Even if it meant the price approaches the RX100, it would be something unique in this crowded field of cameras.
One thing I do like is that they use DNG as their RAW format..meaning you can get your new MX-1 and start shooting and processing RAW photos right away.
But I will reserve final judgement until I get my hands on it and shoot with it. It's tempting to dismiss just based on looking at the specs...but it could end up being a very enjoyable camera to use. Especially if the AF system is halfway decent for this class.
vapentaxuser: Does this camera have a built-in ND filter?
Another website says there is one built-in but no indication of how strong it is.
Casadilla: Anyone seeing what this enthusiast compact offers to the segment that doesn't already exist? Just looking as the basic hardware of sensor, lens, processor...
Sensor:
Larger than 1/1.7"? No.
Multi-aspect ratio? No.
Lens:
Faster aperture? No.
Wider FOV (e.g. 24mm equivalent)? No.
Longer telephoto? No.
Processor: TBD?
Can't say I'm very excited about this one on paper, though it's still early to know the full story.
It does have multi-aspect ratios.
Does this camera have a built-in ND filter?
Does anybody know when the Oly XZ-2 is supposed to start shipping in the US? I initially heard late October but can't find a firm ship date for the camera now.
Paradigm Changer: Pentax K-30?
K-30 uses the universal dng format for its raw files so it has been compatible with Aperture since its release in July.
I would almost bet that the Oly XZ-2 and the Nikon P7700 use that sensor given how tight they are with Sony.
PeterBM: I do not catch. Is it a new sensor for future cameras or is it used in to-day cameras as the P7700?
They manufactured that one in-house. I believe that they have used Sony sensors in past cameras though.
I bet the sensor used in this camera is the same Sony sensor used in the Nikon P7700.
This is like the camera equivalent of the Chrysler TC by Maserati
nixda: A lot of people here complain about that Canon didn't innovate with the G15. I personally couldn't care less about innovation; I am much more interestd in implementation; implementation of proven technology.
What is there to innovate really? It all comes down to a decent sensor, a high-quality, fast lens, and usable controls. The rest is up to the photographer.
Swivel screen, viewfinder, flash, location of buttons, GPS, WiFi, etc., those are all highly contentious items that some care about very strongly and others not at all. To me that means that these items are not really that important in a grander scheme of things. A company has to make decisions and inevitably will lose some customers and win others.
Overall, the G15 is a decent package that will allow people to take great photos. If I hadn't decided to go with a compact ILC next time, I'd take the G15 in a heartbeat.
People would have complained had they kept the articulated LCD but decided to continue on with a slow lens and no other improvements to the camera's peformance. I think the trade-off they made with this camera is fair in order to keep it at the $500 price point, and you have to figure this camera will probably be cheaper than that once we get closer to the Holidays. Overall I think it will be a great camera as well.
Lyric: I think Nikon is trying to win a MP race here. lol. Some are stupid to jump and go with it.
By putting 24mp on a full-frame? If this were an APS-C camera then maybe that argument would have some merit but on a full-frame..that seems about right to me.
nosnoop: Richard Butler:
Could it be that the reason that you did not fall in love with RX100 is because you have no need for a *pocketable* camera in the first place?
I don't think enough credits has been given to RX100 as a break-through camera, and a very impressive technological piece. If you want a pocketable camera, then very few other cameras can touch the RX100.
But if you don't see the need for a pocketable camera, then obviously, there are a lot more choices out there; and little reason to like this camera.
Or maybe you should rename the Gold award to "I Love it" reward, and Silver reward to "I like it but I don't love it" reward; then there would be much less arguments.... :)
I stand corrected on that. That looked like quite a camera for its time.
nosnoop: Richard Butler:
Could it be that the reason that you did not fall in love with RX100 is because you have no need for a *pocketable* camera in the first place?
I don't think enough credits has been given to RX100 as a break-through camera, and a very impressive technological piece. If you want a pocketable camera, then very few other cameras can touch the RX100.
But if you don't see the need for a pocketable camera, then obviously, there are a lot more choices out there; and little reason to like this camera.
Or maybe you should rename the Gold award to "I Love it" reward, and Silver reward to "I like it but I don't love it" reward; then there would be much less arguments.... :)
It would be interesting if one were tp take a group of hobbyists/enthusiasts, give them a week to shoot with the Canon S100 and then a week with the RX100 and then asked them which camera, overall, provided a better shooting experience. Because I think it would be a rather tough call.
There is no doubt that the Sony would outperform the S100 in image quality and it has faster AF. But there is a certain "attention to detail" aspect to the S100 that the Sony lacks in some respects. The rougher texture and the grip up front, the lens ring's decisive clicks when you go to adjust a setting, the fast firmware, the faster lens operation when zooming in and out. Each of these things may seem like nickel and dime aspects on their but they add up.
To be fair, this is Sony's first gen enthusiast compact. But for charging $650, it's a shame that Sony did not pay more attention to the ergonomics and operational aspects of the camera.
That said, I think dpreview is right on the money
TheCyberKnight: What is Pentax thinking?
This camera has almost every single spec worse than the old Panasonic FZ-150. When you release something this late in the game, at least make sure it has an advantage over the reference device.
Aside from the low price, this camera is totally boring.
I'm not sure why Pentax would try to out-spec the FZ150 in a $280 camera. A better comparison to this camera would be the FZ60 or the Canon SX500IS.
vapentaxuser: I think it's almost a carbon copy of the K-5 in the IQ department, which of course is not a bad thing. My only gripe with the Pentax K-30 in the short time I have had is that it tends to underexpose in some shooting conditions...but I would rather it underexposed than overexposed. I am not blown away with the 18-135WR lens, but overall I think it does alright optically. I thought the now discontinued 18-250 was of better optical quality... but of course that lens is not weather-sealed. But overall I am very impressed with the K-30... AF performance has improved over prior models quite noticeably as well.
I never said anything about this being my only lens.. I was just making some observations about the optical quality of the lens as I find myself using it a lot. And I honestly don't think it's that bad. I wouldn't use it for critical work... but the optical quality to me is satisfactory in most situations.
I think it's almost a carbon copy of the K-5 in the IQ department, which of course is not a bad thing. My only gripe with the Pentax K-30 in the short time I have had is that it tends to underexpose in some shooting conditions...but I would rather it underexposed than overexposed. I am not blown away with the 18-135WR lens, but overall I think it does alright optically. I thought the now discontinued 18-250 was of better optical quality... but of course that lens is not weather-sealed. But overall I am very impressed with the K-30... AF performance has improved over prior models quite noticeably as well.
From the default camera selections, to my eyes.. the order from best to worst is 1) 600D 2) 650D (but not by much) 3) A57 4) D3200
I like what I see with the JPEGS so far. Although the camera appears to have a rather conservative color palette by default... that is not necessarily a bad thing. Some people will demerit the camera for no hotshoe, but honestly, do a lot of people use external flashes with enthusiast compacts. I also like its size. I think Sony has a winner on its hands.