" Does the arrival of the EOS M3 mean Canon is finally taking mirrorless seriously?"
As a photog in the USA who can't have what they are now offering I'd say unequivocally NO!
I own or have owned many Panasonic, Nikon, Sony, Fuji mirrorless and pretty much love all, some more than others and all for different reasons. But I need an EVF and have had to buy too many external offerings for many of these systems.
Is Canon afraid the M3 will kill the Rebel in NAmerica, maybe it should?
If Canon wants to be serious they have to offer the camera globally (as in, to MY market:) and they have a long way to go. Innovation would be the 1st thing on the list not just sluggishly following ideas from 4 years ago.
Canon would do well to make the Rebel mirror less and geared more for video.
As they put the world to sleep I'll be waiting for Sony's A7000 and hoping Sony / Zeiss can crank out a few more fast primes.
whensly: wow i would like to have both the LX100 and the GM5. ( have many M 4/3rds lenses). too bad the price is so high on each. Now if these were 500 each Id buy both and call it a day.
@timbits....i have 3 great m4/3rd lenses and they didn't spend "all that money on lenses" , all what money?
Still think both these cams should be closer to $5-600 which they will be in a year than close to $1000.
If a sony A6000 is $450 for a body then i have to consider bailing on M4/3rds, and i've been in It since the gh1.
But thank you for you concern with my spending and your hosility.
I'm a big fan of Panasonic cameras, I've owned many. The GH4 is a really nice camera. Panasonic has presented a very finished instrument for image-gathering. That said, the advantages of the Sony A7s will probably make me buy one over the GH4, even though I have tons of glass for Panny.
The A7s is not a great "finished product' it does not have the pedigree of many iterations, it's the start of something but something I like, big sensor, big EVF and a sensor optimized for video and high ISO.
I suspect Panny will tweak their sensor and come out with something like the Sony and Sony will study the features in the Panny and upgrade their offerings soon. (not like Sony hasn't been making video cams for 40 years).
They say it's not the tool but the artisan, not the pen but the penmanship, and these are both great cameras but despite the thumbs up on the GH4 I think I'm going with the crazy new Sony.
wow i would like to have both the LX100 and the GM5. ( have many M 4/3rds lenses). too bad the price is so high on each. Now if these were 500 each Id buy both and call it a day.
why are they comparing the LX100 to the GX7 and not the GM5?
oh and you can find deals for at GX7's around 5-600 dollars as opposed to pre-ordering a cam noone has ever seen for $900 before tax and shipping.
Like the long lens but sorry, for $700 clams? I'd buy the Sony RxIII which has a newer sensor, an EVF which is a game changer, or for $200 more I'd go for the Panasonic LX100 which will likely be my choice.
Canon seems oblivious to what is happening out there in photo-world.
No need to offer this also-ran-cam
Oh boy time to raise my day - rate, not to mention flip a coin over this or a GM5
ps; how do 3 people own it and 6 had it ?
Niedringhaus was a GREAT photojournalist . Problem is with working in war-zones is it gets addictive. It's like an extreme sport (but no game) the rush you get, once you leave you have to go back, it's an addiction. Flirting with danger and death makes you feel so alive.
There are always so many high-reward images in war-zones and stories and the adrenaline rush of it all. They forget that it's a death dance.
Very very sad but not surprised.
As a doco "verite" shooter it would be a heck of a lot nicer to start at 24mms or 20mms on the wide end for documentary shooting.
Looks ok, but I'd choose the "toy" GH4 or GH3 and put some great wide glass on it before I'd go with this, and a much cheaper price-point.
Now if they offered a cam like this were you could swap out the lenses I'd be excited
Looks like a really nice lens. I have the Oly 12mm f2 and the Panny 20 f1.7 both which I LOVE so it's a stretch trying to justify buying this one, sadly...
I checked out this camera the other day, I own a GH3, and an LX7, have owned the GH1 and 2 and G3, so I'm pretty good to go with Panny. I found it bigger than I hoped, found the EVF small and uncomfortable. If and when the cam drops to $500, maybe. With my Fuji Xpro and Sony Rx1 I would probably choose to carry around a GX7 if it was just a bit smaller and cheaper. How about EVF capabilities on the GM1?
I have been pining for breakthroughs in the M4/3rd sensors which looks like a couple of years off. I figured Panny or Oly may pull the AA filter off the sensor and offer us that config to tide us over until a completely new sensor. Now I remember that Panny always had problems with digital noise so with these sensors so I'm guessing that will not happen.
With the great small camera big sensor offerings out there from Fuji , Ricoh, Nikon and I'm sure others, if I was not a legacy Panny owner I would probably have little attraction to the GX7.
Wow the 90000 lb Gorilla in the room is the fact that Canon is petrified by the idea of an EVF. Their M series camera missed it, these G9-16 continue to miss it. Obviously Canon "does not want to go there" but they have the tech and they MUST!
I would own the G16 if it had a good EVF. Earth to Canon, hello?
whensly: Always so difficult to tell with these "sample photos"..
I am VERY interested in the GX7 but completely opposed to "pre-ordering" cameras. Besides all the other manu's have new cams being announced in late August and September. If a mirrorless Full Frame cam with interchangable lenses comes out I'll go for that.
As a matter of fact if Panasonic can fit a FF Fovenon into this body I might just pre-order :)
Ok Sal can you lend me 10K to put a Leica system together?
Sony's RX 1 is a 3k system and that is a stretch for most but within the realm of reason. Leica's offerings are for the very rich.
I might pick up a GX7 when it's in stores but before then there may be some other exciting and ground breaking offerings from Sony, Oly, Canon, Pentax and others.
Always so difficult to tell with these "sample photos"..
I guess the folks who are going to buy the Sony NX 7 dressed up like a Hasseblad will now have another option :)
Airless: Literally the same camera...lol what a joke, they must have learned from Nikon when they "upgraded" the J1 to the J2 which lasted for about three months...really sad.
these rebels are still pretty awesome cameras for the money. I carry a rebel as a backup body and it has shined for me in pro situations. 2 years later i can't tell if I used my 5D Mk II or T2i on some shots (without peaking at metadata).
I also don't think Rebels are just for people upgrading from Point and Shoots. Give me a camera where I can use about 5 modes (not 500) and a nice big sensor and I'll bring back great photos. The pixel peeping and 8999 things you can do with every camera is bluster.