wolfie: So no increased MP from sensor shift?
We'll have to see how it performs in a detail test - whether it adds ability to detect detail as well as color fidelity. Will be very interesting. Would hope that such a large raw file might give more zoom/crop potential..
Jostian: no built in flash... on an APS-C sensor camera, that' plain stupid! nothing special, just incremental improvements, disappointing actually!
I'm not a Pentax user, but you're coming across as a troll, whether or not you intend it. Just a heads-up.
nerd2: They could interpolate the hell out of the merged image and advertise it as 100MP, just like what Olympus did. Even sigma advertises their sensor has 3X pixel count (which somehow makes sense as they have separate rgb data)
Agreed, 36mp cameras are hardly going to be in a straight up choice. Even if you got a second hand A7R you'd have to spend a fortune on a lens to do it justice if you wanted AF. For the rest of us with $1500 to spend and a tripod the Pentax/Olympus option will be great.
winkalman: This camera may be nearly unbeatable for backpackers and landscape photographers. Weather sealed, GPS, multi-shot image quality should at least match (and quite possibly exceed) the D800e, small (by DSLR standards), and relatively affordable. They need to get these things into REI or some other premium sporting goods store.
Christom - whilst I'd like to agree with you, I hauled a DSLR all over the Alps and Scandinavia and can tell you that carrying a small mirrorless with the same sensor is a blessed relief. It's a matter of choice - since you can have an APS-C in a compact body without sacrificing toooo much then why not? I'd love another big DSLR like this one, but I just know next time I go on a long hike I'd take a small mirrorless.. not because DSLR's are 'too big' but you know, the choice is there so..
MontyMouse: Those who go on about the NX500 lack of EVF. Those of us who wear reading glasses need an adjustable EVF as we don't normally carry glasses. Also it's not fair to say just go and buy an NX1, the NX500 is a carry everywhere camera and this oversight is significant to us. I am invested in the NX system and I would like this camera to add to my NX lens collection but it would be the only camera I have where I have to take my reading glasses with me OR use AF and hope for the best.
I think you're imagining we're being contrary for the sake of it (because this is the internet) rather than actually looking at some fairly sensible wishes. Looking at a model lineup, a lens selection, and talking on a camera tech site about how it could better suit us is perfectly valid and not just complaining for the sake of it.
Here we have two cameras - a great compact model with limitations or a very large DSLR-size body with many pro features. In the mirrorless market many of us have come to love cameras in the middle - like the EM5, EM10, NEX-6/7, GX7, XE2 etc. It's a fantastic price/feature/performance point.
Samsung have the lenses and the body tech to offer something great in that segment. Of course they don't have to, and I'm sure you'll continue to say 'well just get one of those then'. But looking at Samsung's lenses I would love to replace my Sony with that camera - and no I certainly wouldn't be irritated by two much choice (!?!??) and no I am not griping about cost.
FodgeandDurn: The fact that such a great picture was taken on a 13 year old camera body is quite humbling.
You know I think I'd see that as an advantage. Wealth of knowledge, experience and craft etc.
The fact that such a great picture was taken on a 13 year old camera body is quite humbling.
Stephen McDonald: The "1/1.7-inch" sensor isn't much larger than those in most superzoom models, but yet this one gives only a 300mm reach. They should have either given it more lens power or an even larger sensor size, to have an appeal to different segments of its potential buyers. It also doesn't have 60p video and at a $700. price, I don't think it will sell very well.
The Panasonic FZ1000 costs only $200. more and has a "1-inch" sensor and 400mm of reach, 60p video and 4K.
Yeah I did hesitate when I wrote 'G16' to be honest..
The FZ1000 and RX10 are great cameras but also large - certainly in DSLR with kit zoom territory (that size comparison is very useful - the view from above really nails it). I've held the Stylus 1 in stores and it is pocketable and handles nicely.
I can't really get my head around who'd buy it though, at that price I'd have thought 90% of enthusiasts would go sensor size (rx100i?) or controls (G16) over zoom reach. But if you do want something that goes into a pocket, has an EVF and a long zoom as well as nice handling I guess it's a good choice..
At the lower end of the market you can save some money and get an LF1 which is even smaller, still has an EVF and a good zoom reach.
Mike99999: Canon informercial from a site sponsored by Canon. No surprises here...
This camera is a RX10-clone disguised to look like something better. The RX-10 has a target audience, but for 4K use I don't see why anyone would choose this Canon over the flexibility of a GH4.
"The GH4 uses a much larger sensor and can be used with better glass."
I take your point re. glass - however in size MFT and "1 are remarkably similar.
Lens choice is fantastic - but then we're talking about artistic freedom - whereas this camera is very much a package. We're getting slightly apples and oranges rather than better or worse here.
TriezeA72: If there was no such thing as a GH4, A7S, FZ1000, etc etc, then $2500 for a XC10 wouldn't seem so ridiculous, but because there are such better cameras out already, some well below $2500, it really makes canon look stupid and dpr silly for trying to justify the price tag!For the amount of dosh they're asking, I would have at the very least expected a viewfinder, not a detachable loupe...... and to be honest, at this price-point its a pathetic attempt at trying to cash grab! Seriously canon, if you want to charge $2500, then you'll need to do better than this lousy third-rate effort
For many adding a Shogun isn't appealing - they degrade the ergonomics of the package, they're an extra thing to faff with etc.
We're also talking a lot about the build quality here - except nobody has held it yet.. If Canon are saying build quality was a priority with this thing do we have any reason not to believe them until we have it verified otherwise?
Does anyone have any insights on the lack of a front control dial? Surely it can't cost a great deal?
I imagine there are many photographers who would be absolutely fine with the AF, FPS etc of the D5500, and may not even care about a second LCD, but would have to really consider going up to the D7xxx just for that extra manual control. I'd like to think it's not an entirely cynical move, maybe some people are afraid of the extra controls? But honestly can't those people just keep using auto and ignore an extra dial anyway...
Is the dynamic range far lower? Lower sure but far lower? If we're talking photojournalism rather than artistic video then this is less of an issue anyway.
The info above is very clear about rugged build quality being a big part of the offering. Admittedly the presence of a fan means it isn't totally sealed (unless the heat-sink is sealed with a semi-external fan, entirely possible) but also means if you wanted to film a whole press conference go ahead.
The GH4, RX10, FZ1000 are all very well built, but not up there with say a D810 or 6D traditionally favored by journalists.
I'm sure this will be an extremely capable camera that we will see used a great deal over the next 5 years.
I don't think the FS7 will spell the end for Canon, but it does mop up a big swathe of market who are looking for something better than a DSLR/ILC rig but are still acutely aware of value for money. For those people spending longer in post with colors (for example) is worth a $xxxx saving.
Lately I've seen a lot of the higher-end YouTube channels using and raving about Sony cams (think TheCameraStore, Linus). The Canon is just too much more expensive.
Either way though, both cameras seem to have a market, whichever one you prefer. Personally I couldn't see myself spending that much more on the Canon, especially considering the E-mount flexibility. But for many, ergonomics and experience with a system win.
The point I would make though re. the price of the Sony - I can see Sony attracting a lot of new business from upgraders, Canon are relying more on repeat sales. Long term?
Sure but would you take a GH4 into a warzone assignment for six months? Do any of the above cameras shoot 305mbps? There's your answer right there. For many that will be enough.
The only issue I'd take with what you've said is "however it will provide much better quality and shoot 4K on normal cards..."
I'm not sure where we came to the better quality bit - because that certainly doesn't seem to be the case for video, although it may well be for stills.
Tugela: FYI for the reviewer - the RX10 does a full sensor read for it's HD video, that is a 20 mpixel sensor so it is quite a bit more than the Canon. So, checking the Canon on the table, but not the RX10, is incorrect (I suspect the FZ1000 does a full sensor read as well).
The RX10 is likely a better camera. My guess is that a Mark II will be arriving soon enough with an updated processor and 4K capability. They wouldn't really need to change anything else since everything needed is already there.
The weight difference is not all that much either. Most of the weight comes from the lens.
I'd be very very impressed if the RX10ii/RX20 offered 305mbps bit rate. Or the sort of build quality that says to a journalist 'go ahead, take this to Baghdad'.
If you're going to call the RX10 a better camera because of it's area sampling, how do you get past the bitrate difference?
John Roy: No EVF. They just don't get it, do they?
A lot of people have MicroSD lying around from their smartphones and tablets (if you don't lose them..). You can buy some extremely cheap high capacity Samsung cards nowadays that come with a full-size SD adaptor so you can keep your old card reader, and use the card in your other cameras.
My chief complaint with the format how easy they are to lose on a desk if you're not incredibly careful, but otherwise the price and performance are not really a significant barrier to entry anymore - when you can get 64GB class 10 for under $30 you're doing ok.
I actually recently bought a MicroSD with SD adaptor to put in my SD camera because the card will be more versatile in the future.
Toccata47: Hmm, same imaging pipeline as the A7 yet a lower score for image quality? Oddly again, a lower score for video. I suppose the categorization makes scoring complex but I think an a72 with ibis would be head and shoulders above an a7 without a rig.
It's hard not to feel an bias toward nikon here, particularly as canon cameras are left out of the drop down menu now (6d?), though it's probably a knee jerk reaction to seeing the disparity between sony and nikon cameras using the same or similar sensors. Is there definitive proof the 750 uses a different sensor?
Surely that is completely par for the course with tech reviews. Since the original A7 the D750 has come out and out-performed this camera at the same MP. Therefore, lower score in 2015 than 2014.
Lucas_: The A7Ii is such a wonderful and groundbreaking camera, that DPR had to dig out something like "high ISO noise" to not give it another gold to Sony...! Since I bought it my excellent A99 startedto see a lot of som shelf time. I believe DPR is also mistaken when saying that the sensor is the same as in the A7. This review seems to have been done in a hurry and under a lot of pressure from canikon, etc... Nevertheless, most everybody knows now that Sony sensors are by far the best out there. I feel positive now that the "new" 50MP Canons will get the gold...!
Having a bit of a tin foil hat moment there I'd say. A silver is still a good score - but their complaints - that RAW is lossy, the dials suck and high ISO is mediocre are all legitimate.
I seriously doubt Canikon has anything to do with scoring Sony cameras. Previously DPReview has been accused of being Sony fanboys so.. Honestly I don't know why I'm even explaining this. Go put your foil hat back on and try not to walk in areas with open sky - that's how the satellites track you etc etc etc.