jaysonmc: The main significance here is the color portion. Our eyes cannot even detect color this low. It is akin to military saying shoot the guys wearing red vests and not blue ones in near total darkness. It is pretty amazing it can render color in this low of light.
Yes, but presumably you are talking about exposing for a few seconds to get that result? I suspect I could take an awful lot of ageing cameras and get the results you talk about. The significance of a sensor like this is that given the stated application (a car moving at speed) one imagines Sony are managing to get that color capture at tiny exposures.
Sdaniella: I'd rather have ultra-lowlight FF sensor with CLEAN NOISELESS video capability at high ISOs, say from Canon (in 2013 March) which even Sony Alpha 7S lacks (a compromised product, in 2014 April), than a tinier Sony sensor that's noisy in ultra-low light hardly better than its A7S FF sensor
Canon FF CMOS color video sensor, that shoots HD (1080p) in sub-lux 0.010 (less than one-third of moonlight; specifically, no moonlight at all):
Canon develops 35 mm full-frame CMOS sensor for video capture (stars, meteors, etc):http://vimeo.com/61250248
same Canon FF CMOS video sensor capturing bioluminescent fireflies under a moonless night in the forest:http://petapixel.com/2013/09/13/canon-debuts-exciting-prototype-sensor-exceptional-low-light-capability
All Sony can do is show they have a long way to go to to meet Canon users preferences since Canon appears more on-track to deliver what we want, that Sony's A7S is just a rushed compromised half-effort that falls short of delivering good IQ
I must say Sdaniella, I looked at your examples and I thought the Canon didn't do especially well, the JPEG's looked 'cleaner' because there had a lot of noise reduction, not very competitive on detail.
What we have here is a totally state of the art sensor with incredible low light performance demonstrating advances that we might enjoy in a few years. I have no idea how all this trouser thrusting about full frame performance and patents that haven't been properly demonstrated yet got into it.
Hopefully the rest of us can un-sidetrack ourselves and get back to the actual article.
Laslen: Why is DPReview covering this? Are you sponsored by this company? This an idiotic product. If something like this was released for Canon or Nikon, it would be laughed at and immediately dismissed.
It has been covered on other photography sites too. Slow news week, wouldn't read too much into it.
Personally, as someone with an e-mount, I was happy to read it, although I have no want for it.
Frankly, since Sony seem to have flipped me the bird with regards to replacing the NEX-7 with an APS-C camera I can use seriously for events, unless they announce something to the contrary soon I'll be seriously considering a move to Samsung. The NX-1 with the F2 zoom looks like EXACTLY what I've been after, so long as it works as a package.
Who could imagine someone saying that before they announced this camera? If they want to be taken seriously they've just taken a giant leap forward.
EduardoKleinFichtner: Elegant and amazing! If you do not like, do not buy. But do not complain, please. Leica is Leica.
Please EduwardoKleinFichtner, stop asking people on here not to voice opinions, that is exactly what we are all members of this site for. It's a discussion amongst photographers, not the Leica appreciation society, if you don't want to read complains please go elsewhere.
Something about someone asking people to censure themselves irritates me more than almost anything else. Why read the comments at all if you've already made your mind up and simply don't want to hear a word against it.
SulfurousBeast: 230k screen in the age of HD, Retina and 4k displays....Leica is so 2002 and thinks can getaway with its customers...or even potential ones like me who have been aspiring to become one. Looks with without the rebadged Panny models and and some decent lenses, Leica otherwise would be in a death spiral...if not already
We're on this website to discuss cameras, EduardoKleinFichtner.. what did you think we were here for?
The fact is a lot of us are wondering what's going on with a camera this expensive with a 230k screen. Perfectly valid place to express that THANKYOU VERY MUCH!
FodgeandDurn: I feel a bit like I've gone to a sports car website and accidentally read all about the latest Subaru Legacy.
Actually I've always been rather curious about their Lineartronic CVT gearing tech...
I feel a bit like I've gone to a sports car website and accidentally read all about the latest Subaru Legacy.
Shiranai: I really don't get why they did make such a big deal out of this. This is basically just the same technology like a 70D with some more bells and whistles.IMO, Canon arrogantly oversleeps the full-frame mirrorless trend currently, and they think its enough to put emphasis on video.
I hear a lot about Canon's emphasis on video - however I cannot see why a videographer would buy a Canon over a Panasonic or a Sony at the moment. I know we don't all have 4k screens yet, but you're looking at a two year body life, while you want the footage you take to be of a 'current standard' for as long as possible.
fotokeena: Headline reads: “Opinion: Do we really need the Fuji X30?”
NO, nobody really need the Fuji X30, or any camera for that matter.Yes, some people want new cameras, but not need.There is a different between want and need.
What an utterly unnecessary statement.
ekaton: Nice, but 24MP would have been it.
Wanting to crop doesn't make you devil spawn!
bigdaddave: Emperor's new clothes, retro is always best.
A fixed lens, utterly limiting, a pointless exercise in posing
One day compact zooms may be able to match the quality of a prime and more commonly come with bright apertures. Until that day someone who knows what they're doing or wants to learn will be able to get better shots with a prime.
The Canon GX1 may be a sign of things to come but it won't match this camera for picture quality.
FodgeandDurn: I have six E-mount lenses, and love to take and edit photos on my phone when I'm about, but always miss the picture fidelity of my NEX. If the price is right the QX1 will be a no-brainer.
The fun and casual workflow of taking a camera-phone snapshot, tweaking it in an app and sharing with people instantly on Whatsapp or Instagram etc, and having it immediately backed up on the Android cloud ready to access anywhere has changed the way that I take pictures and my proper camera has been gathering more dust than I'd like. The workflow I have with my NEX-6 converting RAW in LR etc is starting to feel more and more like starting a car with a hand-crank - albeit with superior results, and may still be hard to replace for 'keepers'.
The QX line is starting to make sense to me.
If I visit friends with a baby I would like to take photos, edit (tweak highlights, light balance - the obvious improvements you can often make quickly that dramatically improve a picture) on the spot and share them with the parents or absent friends immediately. Just because I haven't gone through the RAW editing rigmarole doesn't mean I want a tiny phone-quality JPEG either. If that photo comes out well I think we'll all appreciate the extra resolution, it can be a real 'keeper' even if it isn't going to impress many of the people on here from a pure technical standpoint.
There's a middle ground that I think this could occupy quite nicely.
That is a lovely looking lens. Unfortunate for me that Samsung do not make a mid-size mirrorless body with a viewfinder (think A6000 - NX300 with more features). I can't see the NX30 tempting the sort of demographic who'd buy a lens like that.
Mind you, I've seen endless young (18-24) Asian tourists with NX300s, incidentally the same demographic I see carrying more Leica's than anyone else (unbelievably rich parents?), so perhaps Samsung know their market better than I do...
I have six E-mount lenses, and love to take and edit photos on my phone when I'm about, but always miss the picture fidelity of my NEX. If the price is right the QX1 will be a no-brainer.
Release a camera like this with better build quality (at least up to the previous standard of the NEX-6 and 7), better (larger) EVF, and a touch-screen, and a level gauge (which I cannot live happily without, sorry) and I'll turn in my NEX-6 and give you $800-1000.
I don't want an A7 (which I know you'd love me to upgrade to - part of the reason the A6000 is now pitching lower in the market) because my 6 APS-C lenses can't make the jump, but I don't want an A6000 because it has a few compromises too many and I'm not here to count pennies.
I love it, and I'd love to have one, but if only the lens was say an F2.. I know it will be wonderfully sharp but I'd have enjoyed walking around at night with something that looks that cool..