spacecruiser: In Germany the price for E-M1 and E-M5 ii is nearly the same. Also, if you buy the E-M1 you will get the battery grip for free.
A no brainer?
Unless you want the hi-res mode. But otherwise I agree, and there are some incredible prices on the EM1 from Hong Kong right now, barely more expensive than an A6000 for far better ergonomics.
Mike FL: If you want buy a $1000 cam with noticeable better IQ than Nikon D7200, buying SONY A7.
Nikon D7200 and SONY A7 are more less the same price, but A7 was less than $1000 for a while last year @$899 while SONY was building its FF user base.
If you want buy a cam with more less the same IQ as Nikon D7200 but half price, buying an refurb Nikon D7100.
If you like sub-frame sensor cam, you will not go wrong with D7100, D7200, or next year's D7300 as far as I can see.
Mike, I don't disagree with anything you added about growing user-base, my comment on price wasn't a criticism of the system. I was just reasoning why DPReview would exclude it from this roundup.
Matt1645f4: No fuji cameras? Bit of a farce with out them
X-E2 in the category below, X-T1 in the category above, X100T in the fixed lens compacts, X-Pro1 still lovely for some but genuinely too old to recommend at the moment.. Am I missing anything?
Pandimonium: The K-3 II is of course a better photo tool than any Nikon, but what the hell let's diss it and please the boss.
I love the look and feel of the K-3 II, I take a lot of astro and landscapes, two things it is very good at. What worries me about it - and this is stated in the text up there, is the lackluster AF.
I don't think it got dissed. The Pentax is a left-field proposition for left-field people - if you're the right sort of customer for a Pentax you'll know all about the K3 already anyway.
Missing shots isn't something a lot of people can dismiss easily, so it's a very valid point. If you can live with that it's a great camera, of course. If the AF improves substantially I'll be putting their new FF camera on my shortlist for sure.
The A7 is a great price, unfortunately adding the kit lens hikes it up past the D7200, and the kit lens is a 'mixed' performer. Given how expensive every other Sony lens is bar the 28 f/2, it's in another class.
I know this having contemplated an A7 at length - I think the low body cost is a false economy. Even with a cheap body the system is one of the most expensive out there. Meanwhile Nikon have some great APSC primes at very low prices.
sailorman: Five Canon models - but no room for a single Nikon camera ?
What am I missing ?
I guess the S120 still seemed relevant for some reason - I have some friends who only just bought one so go figure.
If you walk into a store and ask for a good small camera at $250 chances are you'll still get pointed to an S120.
They didn't include the Canon G16, which is also the same age.
Chris Yates: Touch screens, 4k video across the board, complete transparency with Canon Lenses, factory EOS adapter and I'm first to post. My wishlist to abandon Canon.
Agreed on the touch-screen. Hardware wise digitisers are incredibly cheep, in the $10 range.
In terms of R&D for interface etc, they obviously represent a significant cost, but this is also an area Sony should be familiar with.
Nowadays most Sony reviews from most sources bash the interface, so given their history of listening to criticism I'd be amazed if they didn't change it in the next couple of years, and I'd be even more surprised if it didn't integrate touch.
For everyone who doesn't like touch - for goodness sake you can just turn it off!
Cal22: 'Sadly ...there is no in-body stabiization!' That's right! I don't understand Sony: A camera with an image resolution that high should have built-in stabilization; it's a must!
You're right, ff should have better tolerances, I just wonder how everything you've said fits with what everyone seems to be saying about such hi res sensors - that blur is accentuated and negates the point of such an expensive chip producing huge files.
I hear professionals worry about going below 1/125 with IS in good light, which I can't really fathom.
I'm not entirely sure how you'd get the best use out of this shooting on a city street at night - ramp the ISO up or go low shutter speed? I'm often quite happy to go as low as 1/10th (with lens IS) shooting night streets if I can lean on something. But if I did that with this I'd just have a lot of giant blurred files to accompany my incredibly expensive camera. Seems like a strange mix, and it's a shame to compromise a camera that should be great for street shooting.
JapanAntoine: Too bad Samsung are stopping their ILC camera business... the NX1 is indeed interesting, but it ends there...
Unfortunately in the UK if you want to try a camera out in person it can be a bit of a hunt.
Nan - I've been on the Park Cameras website quite a few times, didn't actually realise they had a store there. The Curry's on Oxford Street opposite Jessops has a surprisingly good range of cameras - so far the only place I've been able to play with an XT-1. I don't make a point of visiting Jessops but I drag my girlfriend in there to look around when we're nearby. They used to have quite a few Samsung cameras out on display but no more.
I used to like the London Camera Exchange on the Strand but they once offered me such a bad trade-in price I felt insulted and haven't been back.
Regarding brand ambassadors, they're definitely part of it with less informed customers. However I had an argument with a Sony ambassador in a Curry's recently - he was trying to tell me E-mount cameras would take Alpha lenses without an adaptor. Because Sony now call them the Alpha 7, right? *facepalm*.
It's an interesting point, because I'm sure a lot of people would like to use this as a street-shooter at night, for example, and a sensor that dense isn't necessarily ideal.
Fantastic sensor, wonderful lens, but the compact body is less useful when people start worrying about whether they need a tripod to exploit them as soon as the sun goes away slightly.
Wolfeye: How about a category for things regular, non-rich people can afford? Nothing on your list is anything but top level (and top priced) gear. Except the Panasonic FZ1000 which is an amazing value.
Your selections are for the rich, and your snobbery towards lesser priced choices that people can afford is obvious. You don't care about price, do ya?
Guess what. A lot of us do.
If you have a limited budget there are plenty of category tests you can Google for.
At the moment if you're on a very tight budget the A6000 seems to be the way to go, or an older M4/3 like the GX7, or a Nikon D5300 maybe. None of which launched this year so would have no place in this round-up.
So I sort of agree with you, but www.google.com has all the answers you seek, and more, so it's a slightly redundant criticism, and these rewards really are supposed to be about cutting edge stuff.
I walk into camera stores whenever I get the chance, and holding a camera is a big part of my assessment of it. I had muted feelings about the XT1 until I held one, so putting your stuff in stores is important. I've seen a few Samsung stands, but never with a NX1, which is a shame.
I visited Jessops Oxford Street (London) last week, and there was still a Samsung stand, but no Samsung cameras :(
Polacofede: i wonder why Pentax K3 was not even considered as a candidate
Maybe they felt the mkII wasn't enough of an update. But odd, yes, because I'd still buy one over a D7200, as far as I can tell unless you really need Nikon focus tracking or have Nikon lenses it's a very even fight, and the K3 has pixel-shift and a better viewfinder..
UnitedNations: So Samsung NX1 is better than Nikon D7200....hmmm....
Given that I'm not even sure which you are saying is better, I can't agree.
The NX1 has been noted to have a very impressive body with good sealing, good ergonomics, good controls etc. But were you talking about the D7200? They both have very similar body features so..
peterwr: "Based around the same 28MP BSI-CMOS sensor as the flagship NX1..."
But lacking a viewfinder. On that basis alone, I can't see them getting many takers, unless those takers have generations-old, second-body DSLRs.
Yeah back when I first bought my mirrorless I came within an inch of getting an NX20. Decided not to because it looked too much like the DSLR I was trying to get away from, the video was mediocre, and because back then they didn't have a collapsible kit zoom.
I see the NX30 got bulkier too, so I hope the NX40 doesn't expand on that. Could do with some styling magic, they look too much like budget SLR's. Also, that NX30 size & form-factor with no thumb control dial? They put one on the NX500 so hopefully...
Lee Jay: Ditch an optical viewfinder for no viewfinder? I wouldn't ditch an optical viewfinder for the best EVF in the world, much less no viewfinder at all.
Lee, given that this camera doesn't even have an EVF I'm not sure why you've picked this moment in time to pick several arguments about OVF vs EVF. Given that you have no interest in discussing (which would involve being open to the other side) I'm not even entirely clear on why you are posting, except perhaps for the thrill of telling everyone they are wrong?
Yeah I've heard good things about Samsung lenses, just doesn't seem to come up much.
Bit of a shame. They badly need a more exciting mid-range prosumer body to get the masses talking.
Randy Veeman: Nanobytes was correct. DxO rates the NX1/NX500 higher than the Sony A6000 sensor. DxO rates the Samsung higher at Color Depth, Dynamic Range, and Low light ISO - a clean sweep!Maybe it is the compressed RAW. I don't think DxO accounts for the banding in the Sony sensor. Nikon also has several APSC cameras with sensors rating higher than the Sony included the old D5200.
Randy, I'd like to know where you heard Sony lost money on APSC, because I'm not sure they've ever disclosed that information. Unless you work for Sony's accountants I think that is purely speculation?
The A6000 is the best selling mirrorless consistently, the fact is Sony could charge an extra $100 and still shift them, and since they aren't pushing lenses I don't think it makes any sense to suggest it is a loss-leader. It is a plastic body with a sensor with a very well established fab manufacturing line, a cheap EVF and an old LCD and a pastic-fantastic kit zoom. They can churn them out for not much more money than a compact. Given the low price I'm absolutely certain they turn a profit, even if it is just $10 per unit, because why not? They could wack another $50 on there and it would still cost less than an XT10, EM10, and beat them on specs (for the casual consumer).
Bizarre thing to suggest frankly.
Joe Ogiba: It's funny seeing DSLR fanboys talking shi* about mirrorless cameras. They think the huge flipping mirror DSLR is the future. Wrong, the DSLR is the buggy whip of cameras. I bet the top people at DPR know that but they depend on the aging DSLR sheep for view count. The A7r II, A7s II , NX1 etc are the future.
They have many more advantages than just that, and it isn't very hard to find out what those are with a quick Google search, but if you're perfectly happy it's slightly moot.
At this point all I'm really saying is all of us who love EVF aren't somehow flawed practitioners who 'aren't doing it right', there are legitimate pros and far more of them than you give credit.