drummercam: "Cannot change drive mode, white balance, or AF mode remotely"
I find it hard to see all of these as "cons." In the special circumstances in which I'm likely to use remote camera control with my phone or a pad, I'm likely to set the basic parameters for the circumstances before I put the camera in place. Certainly, I won't want to switch to manual focus if I've placed the camera where I can't reach it to manually focus it. If I need to pre-focus manually, I will have done that before putting the camera in-place. The FLU card can't fry an egg, either, but that's not a mark against it.
Remote WB control also seems little needed. Drive mode, maybe I would want to switch that.
Paul1974 -- AF/MF is a physical switch on the camera. It's hard to see how that could be changed remotely.
lolopasstrail: Not addressed: Why mirrorless costs so much. A smaller format, inferior viewing, slower performance, lesser image quality/dynamic range, yet more expensive. Like it or not, these are the decisions customers are making every day. Pay more for less.
They haven't taken over the world as promised. Price is likely the biggest factor. This would have been a huge topic for him to have addressed.
Agree the E-M10 is their most aggressive offering to date. OTOH, only one Olympus camera has on-sensor PDAF so that feature is not responsible for the cost of any of their other cameras. Also, EVFs are basically off-the-shelf parts now anyway.
I wish he was asked when the 12-60/2.8-4 lens would be released in m4/3 mount. Isn't that Oly's most compelling zoom lens?
Sir Nick of High Point: I feel like the primary reason that compact mirrorless has not caught on in the US, like it has in the rest of the world, is that Americans generally want to look like "real" photographers. We have this misconception that a big camera automatically makes you a professional, and with the disposable income that we have in the US, people simply go out and purchase a DSLR to impress their friends. Just go to a local park and look at all of the parents lugging around massive Nikons just to take pictures of their kids on the slide. It's silly. The Asian consumer understands the benefit of a smaller camera IMO.
Sir Nick -- I think it has a lot more to do with retail presence. When you can buy the full lineup of Olympus cameras in Best Buy, you'll see a noticeable change in sales volume.
Provia_fan: I can't understand the complaints about "retro" dials. I think the problem stems from the over simplification of designs over the years and the fact that people just want instant results, instant everything. In the old days you had to learn a given camera not expect the camera "to learn you". External controls are great and give you immediate control over features, instead of having to borrow into menus when you should be concentrating in picture taking. This is one of the reasons why I still love my Minolta 7D so much. Everything you need is one button or one click away, which is so much more logical. You learn the camera, you learn the buttons and you learn how many clicks for your exposure compensation, WB, etc and off you go. Not having to take you eye off the viewfinderto go into menus is a major bonus.
@Le Frog: Yes, I understand the ability to use these control dials in manual mode where you can see the effect on exposure reported in the viewfinder. What I don't understand (and this could be strictly from ignorance) is how do you quickly jump out of A mode for either shutter or ISO to make a minor adjustment? If the camera sets itself to ISO 800 under A, for example, and I want to go to ISO 400, in most cameras you simply move the ISO control by "one click" or whatever. Here, it seems like you have to move the setting off of A and then go find the 400 setting. Definitely a slower process. Am I missing something?
Putting the EC compensation dial where it is is great but I'm still a bit in the dark when trying to understand the value of the top plate control dials for shutter and ISO. Of course some people shoot in manual mode all of the time and this arrangement works well for them. But what if either shutter or ISO are in A? How do you adjust them up or down without basically starting over from scratch? It's a bit like all the angst over removing the aperture ring on lenses. Great if you don't use them in A but if you're in A and want to change one stop up or down???
BarnET: Why complaining about the retro dials.
It will probably have 2 normal control dials. We can see one at the front and it will probably have 1 at the back as well. If you want you can actually ignore the dedicated dials and use those 2.
I would of course rather have an mode dial that is missing but everyone has there own opinion here. It doesn't make the camera bad or good.
The dedicated dials also tell us something about specs. It has 1/4000th shutterspeed and an base ISO of 200 and top of hi2 which is probably 25600.
The 1/4000th shutterspeed is disappointing. Most of it's competitors go to 1/8000th which can be very handy in bright light. I sincerely hope that this does not mean an lackluster flash sync speed of 1/180th.
This is below what we should expect with an camera rumoured to be $1800 with an Apsc sensor. The hump also get's a lot of criticism here. It's not necessary with an EVF but it does let them make an bigger viewfinder.I like RF design but others prefer this.
> I sincerely hope that this does not mean an lackluster flash sync speed of 1/180th.
From one of the leaked photos, the flash sync speed does appear to be 1/180 sec.
photogeek: You can thank the stubborn US consumer for the resurgence of these viewfinder humps and huge camera bodies. Folks seem to think that if the camera is not the size of their head, and it doesn't hurt their neck, the image quality has to be worse somehow.
Personally, I think Sony NEX (models with a viewfinder) offer the ideal form factor right now. They're about as small and light as they can physically be without sacrificing the hand grip, tilting screen and built in flash. And that's the proper way to do it, now that we're not constrained by the the size of the prism and mirror box.
Sony NEX cameras are the most unusable on the market. The size isn't the problem, it's trying to control them without making what feels like a dumpster dive.
From the leaked photos... apparently no built-in flash.
Jim in Hudson: I don't understand this recent fascination with top plate dials, unless it's mostly for looks. Back when dials were the way to control cameras, it was all there was. The major disadvantage was having to take your eye away from the VF to make a change (well, you had to change film to change ISO). There was no superimposed (or bottom strip) indicator of settings. Now, basic camera controls do the same and you can see exactly what you're changing with speed, aperture, and ISO without ever taking your eye off the subject. Of course you need a logical and easy layout to the button and wheel controls but it doesn't take much to learn.
57even -- agree about you point on tripod use. However, it does remain to be seen if those various changes to settings can be done as easily on this new Fujifilm as you're talking about. For example, it "seems" to be easier to change shutter speed by moving a front control dial with one's right index finger than it would be with one's left thumb while still cradling the lens with the left hand. After a few people get to play with it, we'll know better.
I don't understand this recent fascination with top plate dials, unless it's mostly for looks. Back when dials were the way to control cameras, it was all there was. The major disadvantage was having to take your eye away from the VF to make a change (well, you had to change film to change ISO). There was no superimposed (or bottom strip) indicator of settings. Now, basic camera controls do the same and you can see exactly what you're changing with speed, aperture, and ISO without ever taking your eye off the subject. Of course you need a logical and easy layout to the button and wheel controls but it doesn't take much to learn.
reginalddwight: $1800 for the body only? If true, Fujifilm pricing of the X-T1 would be higher than Sony's full-frame A7.
Stu 5 -- the only "thing" that justifies the price are a sufficient number of customers willing to pay that price. No one know the answer to that.
jtan163: Looks very nice.Suspect Nikon could take a a lesson here - at least in terms of styling and controls.And size.It's amazing what you can do when you get rid of the flapping mirror.
I rather suspect that the Dƒ's will outperform this baby in low light, and action type shooting - but I hope I am proven wrong.
A DLSR style X-trans - as we say in Oz.... noice.....
I sooooooooo wish I had a spare $5K +or so at the moment.
It doesn't do much for size to get rid of the flapping mirror without also designing an entirely new lens portfolio with shorter registration distance.
Dazzer8888: Looks pretty cool, not sure why people are bitchin' about it......sure, you won't fnd many serious filmmakers using one because of the low resolution, but i like the look of those shots from the demo vid, and i imagine it will be quite cheap.
Agree, no sense complaining about this little lens adapter. What I scratch my head about, though, is if this isn't for the "serious filmmaker" then it has to appeal to the non-serious filmmaker who likely doesn't care about stretched aspect ratio anyway. Maybe there are a few that will.
Marry this a relatively compact Pentax DSLR and you have a pretty good street photography combo.
CarVac: How does the DOF scale work? Is it only for the 40mm end?
Yes, I think the DOF scale is for 40 mm.
Segaman: hey guys DSLR are going to be a rare breed, the stats are telling us that in the next five years, things will be hard, so lets keep the spirit alive, specially for Nikon, which I love their products!Christopher Chute from market intelligence firm IDC predicts Nikon may be out of business in 5 years if the trend continues.
“You’re talking about a 10-15% decline in DSLR shipments all over the world. Which is kind of shocking because that market’s been growing double digits for almost ten years. Nikon recently said they have a five year plan to address this. And my view is, that five year plan should have come out five years ago. They’re not going to be around in five years.”http://www.eoshd.com/content/11409/consumer-dslrs-dead-5-years
Stats don't tell us about the future, only the past.
AbrasiveReducer: I'm sure this is an excellent camera but it doesn't seem to really excel in anything except maybe AF. That's fine, but if this gets the gold, what would a real breakthrough camera get? (This is not a "fan" issue; I own Elphs, Rebels, G1X, EOS-M and 5D3.)
Even if it produces results nearly identical to the D7100--and I'm sure it does, to everyone except Nikon fans--that just means both are above average.
I don't think people are "bored" with the lack of live view during continuous shooting. Instead, they'd be really on their toes trying to figure out where to aim the camera.
Will Gerrits: In 2013 when everything electronic is minimizing , compare cellphones in 2005 and now, in the department handling there should be more focus on size. In that aspect this Canon is big, very big. Moreover if you consider the enthusiast photographer is not carrying just a single (zoom)lens but a few lenses : the size and the weight you have to carry around for a longer time is a problem that's not taking into account in this review. Please DPReview addept your reviewing aspects to 2013 -2020 standards and don't stay in the low 2000's
Despite all the miniaturization going on, hands aren't getting any smaller.
I read many of the posts but admittedly not every one. Anyone know if the Sigma 18-35 lens used was micro-AF adjusted first? If it wasn't, what would be the point of comparing conventional PDAF to on-sensor focusing?