bakanecko: some possibilities:1. your comment containing the typical fanboy rant.2. your comment have possibilities to mislead other people.3. your comment has been "parroted" over and over by other users or yourself, just copy & paste & modify a bit -esque type of comment.4. you comment containing hate speech.
I'm not sure that your own comment is more useful than any of the types of comment you mentioned in your comment about comments..
l_d_allan: Wow, that was a fast, timely review of a recently announced camera. I can't recall a DPR full review being available so quickly after it was announced.
A nice feature that I don't think DPR mentioned: according to Bill Claff's Photons-to-photos website, the a6300 has the "Aptina Dual Base ISO" circuitry like the a7Rii (except 100/400 instead of 100/640)http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%2080D,Nikon%20D7200,Sony%20ILCE-6000,Sony%20ILCE-6300,Sony%20ILCE-7RII
The X-Pro2 has it too, with ISO 200/800 instead of Sony's 100/400. According to Thom Hogan, it's likely the same "real" ISO (in terms of sensor saturation) in the Fujifilm and the Sony, but Fujifilm maps it to a higher output ISO (JPEG brightness) to give more highlight headroom.
Frank C.: DPReview has become Sony Central, who would have thunk?
The four latest published reviews were of cameras from Sony, Panasonic, Leica and Fujifilm. Sony Central is doing a lousy job promoting Sony imho.
Jorginho: And so m43s just keeps developping and developping. These are not huge steps, but the stabilsed video in 4K is a very welcome and huge step for videographers. Shuttershock: I guess it is true it happens but on my GH4 it is veyr rare.
This also holds a lot of promise for the GH5. 20 MP, 5 axis stabilsation in video, no shuttershockI bet that Leica EVF (or something similar) will be in it. And with 5 axis something like HiRES might be on the drawingboard but I guess not in the GH5.
I wonder how well this all works with the 100-400 Panaleica (stabilisation)...
GX80/85: a very nice addition to the ever growing familly.
"They do test cameras but not nearly as comprehensively as DXO."
No, the difference is that DPR does test cameras comprehensively (performance, raw and JPEG IQ, ergonomics, handling, UI etc.), while DXO is focusing only on raw sensor performance. You can't give a complete picture of a camera by only analyzing raw values, or not even taking the camera out in the field.
Anyway, it's correct that the latest 1" sensors have benefitted from the BSI architecture. The two 4/3" sensors that Sony makes are regular Exmor sensors (non-BSI), but it's questionable if BSI would make much of an improvement. They would benefit more from being BSI than the APS-C or FF sensors, though.
Serious Sam: So Leica works together with Huawei to create a fake Leica picture feel. Now that's low......
Interesting phone but Huawei still don't get it . Do what your do best. Anyone spend that much money on a China brand electronic device is crazy.
The reason you can't sell Chinese-branded products for as much, is exactly because people keep perpetuating the perception that Chinese somehow means lower quality. That's not necessarily true anymore, just like it ceased being true about Japanese products a long time ago.
And Peiasdf, "Made in China" means assembled in China. The components may be sourced from all the corners of the Earth, as they often are in electronics devices, but the country of origin printed on the product refers to the country where the final product was made (i.e. assembled).
razorfish: We all know dpreview loves Sony, so of course this got the gold award. As a standalone camera body, it most likely deserves it though, but I never understood how the surrounding ecosystem, the lenses and other accessories, can be overlooked when reviewing a camera. After all, it matters a lot for all practical purposes, and Sony's neglect of their APS-C ecosystem is in my opinion appalling. Sony are clearly focusing on "full frame" lenses, but I refuse to be part of an "upgrade path", paying for huge, expensive lenses made for a larger sensor. It seems like Sony are looking to Canon and Nikon who have had success with people buying their APS-C cameras as an "upgrade path" with "full frame" lenses, but I never liked the way Canon and Nikon treated their APS-C customers as second rate, and I don't like it when Sony copies that strategy.
The requirements of the individual user determines if the surrounding ecosystem is satisfactory. Therefore, it would be a bit strange to let that have any impact on the recommendation of a camera body. This is a camera review, not a system review. As a prospective buyer, you need to decide for yourself, if the system as a whole fulfills your requirements.
TJGKG: I have a question about lenses for this camera. Since I basically use only 35mm lenses for the type of shots I take, which would be better: the Zeiss T* FE 35mm f/2.8 which is a full frame lens or the Sony 35mm f/1.8 OSS Alpha E-mount Prime Lens which is an APS-C lens? Even though the Zeiss is a FF lens, would I still get 35mm or would it be cropped to 50mm thus losing the wider angle. If I use the Sony 1.8, would I get the 35mm angle? I'm trying for the best quality but I really need the wide angle. Thanks.
Both lenses will give you a field of view roughly equivalent to a 50mm lens on FF. You will need a 24mm lens to get the field of view you want.
YA9Productions: Very disappointed with Nikon firmware updates, No real improvement what so ever.I was expecting a proper way to do user customized modes (c1 c2) like in the D600 and the D750.instead we have useless memory banks in a 3000$ pro DSLR.
"instead we have useless memory banks in a 3000$ pro DSLR"
This is one of the features that Nikon uses to differentiate pro bodies like the D810 from consumer bodies like the two you mentioned. And I'm pretty sure it's because many pros have requested it.
Raist3d: So some questions- did they allow exposure compensation in manual mode with auto ISO?
And is this the same old m4/3rds sensor or a new 16MP sensor?
The old 16MP sensor in the E-M5 was the IMX109 (as Chipworks revealed), so IMX159 is indeed a newer sensor. Sony made an announcement of two new sensors, so it wasn't just some people having seen them in a list.
TheDarmok74: Finally a camera with 5-axis IBIS and hopefully no shutter shock issues.BUT the 16 MP sensor, as good as it may be, is now 4 years old. It would be time to let it die. And the new model is not that cheap either, it would have deserved the latest sensor technology.
Here's Sony's product portfolio for camera sensors:
As you can see, it lists two 4/3 sensors, IMX159 (16MP) and IMX269 (20MP). As you may know, the 16MP sensor from the E-M5 was revealed by Chipworks to be the IMX109, which is apparently no longer made by Sony.
AdamT: 16Mp .............. :(
If they`re going to use a new sensor (the 20Mp one in this case) , use it across the range like DSLR makers do instead of hanging on to old sensors . Kinda expected it in the G7 but not in this model ..
So a grown up GM5 then- nice option, probably a sweet spot but IMO needed that 20Mp sensor
I wouldn't expect it to be substantially better, either. I actually don't expect substantial improvements in IQ from any sensor nowadays. Personally, I'm not even sure I need it.
Mateus1: No, it's not GX-7 successor which was the best Panasonic mirrorless with a few isuues. GX-8 size and handling is dissapointing and GX-80 is poorer. After GX-7 Panasonic really dissaponts me with new releases :(
I wrote "nominally". Panasonic probably sees it that way (at least in Japan), but if the consumers accept it as a true successor is another matter entirely. Sony used to do the same thing in the NEX line; each successive model getting some improvements while being inferior in other respects.
webrunner5: Wow, looks pretty darn impressive, and the price is not bad either.
Would have been nice at 20mp but can't have everything.
The two-digit name shows that it sits below the GX8 in the lineup. They did the same thing with the old G10, which was a budget variant of the G1. Compare with Canon's 700D/70D/7D naming scheme, for example. Panasonic hasn't used this convention consistently, but I don't think any manufacturer has a completely consistent, logical naming scheme.
As I wrote in another thread, the improvements over the GX8 are simply due to it being a newer model. When you don't update your entire lineup simultaneously, then you're bound to sometimes get "lower" models that are in certain respects better than the "higher" models.
"Pls get Sony/Toshiba to produce your sensors and then your cameras go from great to awesome."
Uhm, Sony made the 16MP sensor that Olympus used in their entire lineup (except the E-M1, which is a Panasonic), and they now make a new version of that sensor (unclear if this has been used yet, but maybe in the E-M5 II), as well as the 20MP sensor in the GX8 and Pen-F. And Panasonic's own 16MP sensor isn't vastly different from Sony's in performance.
Sony makes a newer 16MP sensor of the same generation as the 20MP one, so it could be that one.
Regarding the resolution, the press release claims a 10% increase from removing the AA filter. And going from 16 to 20MP means an increase of linear resolution of about 11%, so theoretically the GX85 should be able to offer resolution comparable to the GX8, assuming the noise reduction hasn't changed dramatically.
In Japan, it's actually named GX7 Mark II, so nominally it really is the GX7 successor.
MrTaikitso: As a GX8 owner, the fact they left out a flippy forward screen (ideal for composing video), mic input, exp comp dial and a flip up EVF indicates that other than the slightly improved stabilization and shutter, GX8 is still the top end.
It clearly sits below the GX8 in the lineup. That it offers some improvements over the GX8 is simply because it's a newer model. It's nothing unusual that models leapfrog each other like that, the only way to avoid it would be to update the entire product line-up at the same time.
Jonathan F/2: Panasonic makes great cameras with minimal hype. Sony makes great cameras with paid off photo bloggers who take Sony sponsored trips to Miami.
Do you think Sony is the only camera manufacturer to arrange such press events?
Sony announced a new 16MP 4/3" sensor at the same time as the 20MP sensor. I don't know how it differs from the one they introduced in the original E-M5 model, or from Panasonic's 16MP sensor, but I guess they improved something.
Sony announced a new 16MP 4/3" sensor at the same time as the 20MP sensor, so it isn't necessarily an "old" sensor.