Mark B UK: I have just two questions not answered by this otherwise very thorough and helpful piece: how many PDAF sensors are there, and what proportion of the frame do they cover?
With the X100S I believe there's just one, central one, which to my mind is of little value; the E-M1 has a diamond of sensors covering perhaps half the frame.
What I'm really hoping for is a mirrorless manufacturer that covers the entire frame with PDAF sensors. That would give real potential to beat DSLRs for action.
Canon could do that with their Dual Pixel AF, since the same pixels can be used for both PDAF and image capture. With the dedicated PDAF pixels that Fuji and others use, the more of them you have on the sensor, the less pixels you have for image capture.
Shiranai: I think Fujifilm wants to compete with the 6D here. They share similar flash X-syncs and max shutter speeds as well as the wifi smartphone connection.For the biggest con of the 6D, the missing flash, they bundle a flash with their model.
The 6D is not "squarely aimed at professional photography". It's a consumer body, which is obvious from the price point, ergonomics and feature set. Canon markets it as an enthusiast camera, not a professional one.
topstuff: Frankly, this is all the camera most people will ever need.
I am glad it is not full frame - the lenses would be too large.
I am happy that it is APSC - because in size it can rival m43 while offering better IQ. I think many people prefer the 3:2 format over 4:3 anyway.
EVF looks exceptional. I would take an EVF like this over OVF every time.
The mirror box is dead ! We can look forward to a time when cameras are smaller, our backs are stronger and we only need a small camera bag rather than a big one.
Fuji seem to have nailed this. Well done.
I agree about this looking to be a fine camera, but how will our backs get stronger by carrying less weight? I thought bodybuilding worked the other way around. ;)
Kodachrome200: I dont want to be to negative about innovation but fuji has invented a myriad of wied and useless sensor technologies all of witch were out performed by the standard bayer sensors of there time even in the areas they were meant to be superior. so its hard to be thrilled that fuji has another idea for a weird sensor. more useless reinventing of the wheel
@RanfordYes, I agree, and I think both the Canon and the Fuji/Sony approaches are valid, although I can certainly understand people getting frustrated with the "let's try something new"-approach, as well as others getting frustrated by the "let's use the same sensor for five years"-approach.
I also think that in forums like this one, where a lot of commenters are people who try to reduce photography to only numbers and formulae, who can't see the picture for all the pixels, who think that the gear is more important than the person who uses it, and are seemingly uninterested in the aesthetic qualities of a photo, too much is made of the technological differences between different camera brands.
Btw, I'm glad you mentioned Monty Python. At their best, they were truly brilliant. :)
While I don't agree that X-Trans is useless (I've seen plenty of great photos, and I don't mean the test chart variety), I do think that companies like Fuji and Sony sometimes are releasing their innovations on the market before the tech is fully tested and mature, and then they abandon it after a few years, never refining it to its true potential. Sony's statement, that they want to bring us something new every six months is rather telling, I think.Canon, often claimed to be non-innovative, actually spends huge amounts of R&D money, and is probably the company that files the largest amount of photography-related patents. However, they seem to be very conservative when it comes to actually putting their innovations in commercial products, but once they do, they usually work very well.It's usually more hit-and-miss with the companies that are cutting edge.
Photographer Jonathan: this camera looks great, but It would be nice if it had a touch screen that will one touch focus and shoot like the OMD, I also wish it had the XE2 popup flash, but it looks like it has no flash so I hope fuji has a very small flash like the one that comes with the OMD, i also wish it had an articulating screen that is useable for portraits, but I know it doesn't, also some better video features like a GH3, It really seems like no camera company wants to give the people everything in one camera, there is always a left out feature, just like Sony with the A7/A7r, same crappy limited screen that can't be used for portraits, and it's not a touch screen, and you know Sony has the touch screen technology already so it doesn't make sense, and then you have the Nikon DF with no video, 5Dlll no focus assist beam, or flash, no time laps, this fuji XT1 looks great but I know it won't have everything I wish it would have
I'm happy if a camera lets me control the exposure, shoots raw, has good IQ up to ISO 1600, has a viewfinder and a hotshoe, and is comfortable to hold. Everything else (articulated screen, touchscreen, video, WiFi, GPS, built-in flash etc.) is just a bonus.
Between this, the organic sensor, Panasonic's colour splitter, and the various CFA patterns and stacked sensors that Canon, Sony and others are experimenting with, I wonder which will actually make it into commercial production?
Avobanana: Fair points are made about ergonomics and speed. But the reviewer is clearly biased.
But like many others I cannot understand the persistent negative undertone and bias against the camera. One of the camera's biggest strength is the image quality in RAW mode and yet the reviewer chose to chime on and on about the JPEG quality. In the EM1 review, the reviewer praises the impressive image quality which isn't even in the same league. They cost almost the same, no?
Either Dpreview is losing its objectivity or something shady is going on.
It's actually possible to be disappointed with the IQ of a FF camera, and at the same time be impressed by the IQ of a crop sensor camera, even if the former, compared side-by-side, is better than the latter.Reviewers are impressed by the IQ of the RX100 too, for example, even if it's no match for a FF camera, because it's very good for a compact. It's all relative.
iamatrix: What is dpreview smoking these days ? First they diss the DF now this ? The pictures look so much better than Fuji and Olympus yet the editors seem to drool over these highly overrated camera systems. I guess it's no surprise especially when they gave a gold star to the Canon SL1 for being the first camera to incorporate a 1998 sensor in a small SLR body.
It's a reviewer's job to report everything that bothers him about a camera, then it's our job to draw our own conclusions about what consequences those "cons" might have for our own shooting.
harold1968: This is a really subpar review. Taking out genuine slight disadvantages of the A7 compared to the best of DSLRs and making them into mountains.The A7 is a beautifully build, fast to use, beautifully laid out, ultra-configurable camera with incredible IQ.Not sure who would buy this and use it for jpg.In terms of the Lenses it appears that the 55mm not only leaves all Nikon and Canon 50mm in the dust it beats the Leica 50mm Summilux (see 3dkraft). (Yes I have had both)Yes I had a D800E and 6D for a year, a X-pro1 and E-M1.The A7 is superior then all of the above cameras for 90% of shooting types. The rest is as good as mostI love the thing about "can't recharge outside the camera" - yes you can, a charger is £40.
This can't be a conincidence after a review using $10 vivitar lenses on the A7 saying the corner performance was not that goodROFL
"The A7 is superior then all of the above cameras for 90% of shooting types."
You forgot to add "for me". I find it incredible that people are making sweeping statements like that about things that are essentially subjective. The reviewers are people with subjective opinions and personal preferences, just like you and the rest of us. They gave their honest opinions, and you have given yours. Both are equally valid, from your respective personal standpoints.
OlavM: Q: What is the exact meaning, expressed in metric units, by the description: "large 2/3-inch sensor" ?(this is a quote from the FUJI website): http://fujifilm-x.com/x10/en/story/story2/page_03.html )
In my world, by my immediate and intuitive interpretation: 2/3 of <something>, is the same as <something> multiplied by approx. 0,666667
However, the illustration at the FUJI website clearly show ANOTHER "story": The diagonal is 10,99 millimeters, the long side is 8,786 mm. NEITHER of these measures does relate to one inch by a factor of : 2/3 ????Why this linguistic mumbo-jumbo ???
M DeNero: For days now I have been reading comments looking for common sense rationale explaining the functional benefits of these retro cameras. I haven't found any compelling ones. I have, on the other hand, found hundreds of superficial "it sure is pretty" comments.
Instead of thinking along the lines of "They made this camera for me, but they got it all wrong", why not try to think: "It's cool that they made a camera for people with other preferences than mine"?
knize10: Its a teaser page now but it will end up in the landfill in 5 years.
waste, waste and more waste.
This is why my kids are only allowed to play with sticks and pine cones. I refuse to buy them a Playstation that will end up destroying the environment. It's bad enough that I got one for myself.
camerosity: hopefully mirrorless...
It's only a fake SLR to those who don't understand, that the purpose of the "hump" is to house a large EVF, not a pentaprism. Not everyone prefers to have the EVF placed in the corner.
RichRMA: They should do like Leica did with the S2. A 50mp DSLR-shaped camera, somewhat smaller even than the pro Nikons and Canons.
A3, A4, A5 etc. are basically 3:2 formats, but I guess you don't print those in the US. They are standard print formats in some European countries, at least.
mpgxsvcd: I bet that CEO blamed marketing for their products failures.
It just shows that you can't restrict your marketing research to Dubai, Qatar, Monaco and Liechtenstein.
Caerolle: It will be interesting to see how this camera falls out in 'popularity' thing once DPR puts it in that system.
Though for some reason all cameras don't seem to get put there, I don't think the A7s did?
I'm sure A7 or A7R had been on the popularity list, if they had accumulated enough clicks, but obviously they didn't. I don't think that DPR actively chooses not to include certain cameras. Why would they?
marike6: Locking exposure dials a la the Nikon Df? Any amount of money that DPR loves this camera and the dials from day one. :-)
Part of what makes the X cameras at least interesting is the rangefinder design, the whole poor man's Leica thing.
What is the point copying a DSLR body styling? It's has no bright Pentaprism so why the pseudo pentaprism housing?
This is a head scratcher move from Fujifilm that is for sure. No FF, just an X camera dressed up as a DSLR. Has anybody asked why?
So copying SLR styling is pointless, if there is no actual mirror in the camera, but copying rangefinder styling, without having an actual rangefinder mechanism in the camera, isn't?
The fact is, that by placing the new, larger EVF in the middle, Fuji have allowed the camera to be smaller overall, by making it taller only in the middle, rather than along its entire length.
Also, many of us just think that a camera handles (and looks) better if it's designed that way. As I wrote further down this thread, the SLR design may originally have been dictated by the technology inside, but it's an ergonomically valid design in and of itself, even without a mirror and pentaprism. And the same can be said about the rangefinder design. It's very much a matter of personal taste.
Edit: And as usual, people manage to post much better replies while I'm writing. :)
ZoranHR: I think design should represent time in wich product is created instead to imitate past. Imagine arhitecture that still creates renaissance style churches.
I have and shoot with Fujifilm x1oo and Ricoh GR. Ricoh is just much easier to operate. Anytime. Regardless Fuji's "practical" appeal of controls I m convinced in practice that past should stay in past. Usage of past designs now is a bit silly unleast to say and I dont agree with some of you who say this design is more handy.
Funny that you mentioned the renaissance, which basically was an attempt to revive the culture of classical Graeco-Roman antiquity by imitating it. People have always done this.
dougster1979: Curious why you need a "hump" viewfinder. How much time has been invested in getting rid of mirrors and prisms, making cameras smaller,the main benefit of mirrorless. I prefer the xe2,xpro 1, gx7 viewfinder. Each to their own....
I think the horse carriage will make a comeback soon. It encourages a more deliberate and thoughtful driving style, "pure driving".