Marty4650: HOLY COW! I just saved $6,000!
I just discovered I can turn off the LCD screen of my Olympus EM5! All it takes is pushing that small button on the right side of the EVF housing. Push the button again, and the LCD screen comes back on!
This means I just saved $6,000, that I could use to buy a $2,500 300mm f/4.0 PRO lens, a $1,300 42.5mm f/1.2 lens, and still get a brand new Panasonic GX8 for the remaining $1,200!
Life is good! :)
Unfortunately, you still have the option of turning on the LCD screen. For those $6,000, Leica would remove that option for you.
VENTURE-STAR: Ah well, that's that then. I have no desire to buy any of these cameras as they provide no obvious advantage over a budget SLR aside from size. Thanks Jeff, Carey and Dan.
"as they provide no obvious advantage over a budget SLR aside from size."
I believe the combination of good (or at least decent) image quality in a small package is the whole point of this category of camera. If you don't care about the size, then there are indeed many other options to choose from.
sdh: Some random thoughts on this article:
- The G7x's 24-100 lens gets praise for its "long range" but the same lens in the G5x, and longer-range lens in the G1x II, don't get similar praise.
- The Fuji X30 feels out of place here due to it's smaller sensor size. But then accepting that disparity, then there are a few other models that belong in this comparo too. For example: Olympus Stylus 1s, Nikon P7800, Canon G16. Even if some of those models are a bit dated now, they're still same class as the Fuji X30 IMO.
- The article feels more cobbled together/cut-pasted from previous reviews, rather than a new & comparative evaluation of the group.
Edit: And separately I'm hugely disappointed to read the criticism of the Pana ZS100's lens, as I was/am considering it as my next "carry everywhere" camera.
The Canon G16 and Nikon P7800 are no longer listed as available models, at least not here in Europe. And both have been replaced by models using a larger sensor, although in Nikon's case the DL is not yet available.
mailman88: All cropped P/S cameras will be obsolete in 5 years or less ( blame cellphones)Then enter the full frame P/S camera market from all manufactures at a very affordable price.
That you can buy older models significantly cheaper than their launch price doesn't mean that there's a trend towards less expensive cameras. On the contrary, the camera manufacturers are mostly shifting towards "premium" models to compensate for the declining sales volume. For example, each new generation of A7, RX10, RX100 have had a higher launch price than previous generations. Likewise the A6300 compared to the A6000.
Sorry, but I don't see that happening. FF cameras will only come down in price if production volume increases dramatically.
"Then enter the full frame P/S camera market from all manufactures at a very affordable price."
I'm not so sure about this. The volume needed to sell FF cameras at a "very affordable price" just won't be there. The camera market is shrinking, so if anything cameras will be more expensive as the manufacturers try to raise their profit margins.
NWT: Very strange, we are only 5 months into 2016, and a roundup of the year is here, and most of them are recycling material. What is the point!
It's a continually updated roundup of available models. Seems to me to be a better idea than just updating it once a year.
J A C S: Has anybody heard about a destructive RAW processor?
I didn't even read the headline, but sure, that's sloppily written.
RedFox88: All raw converters are "non destructive " because it's raw data not an image file.
Yes, but all photo editors aren't.
"RAW processor and non-destructive photo editor"
This is both a raw processor and a photo editor that can handle several image formats. Not every photo editor is non-destructive.
Deardorff: What is this "membership" crap?If you can't buy the disk and get updates - why get it? Extortionate like Adobe with Photoshop?
"If you want to purchase ON1 Photo RAW without becoming an ON1 Plus Pro Member[...]"
You can purchase the app without being a member, if you prefer.
BRPWS: I am not sure I get it but maybe Leica fans will. So one of the benefits of an LCD is to judge an exposure in our modern world. If you don't want that or need that then great, but many use digital just for that reason. If you don't need it go back to film.
Also how does one set up their menu options. Looking through the viewfinder? Give me a break.
Isn't the point that there are no menu options? You can control aperture, shutter speed and ISO manually, and that's it.
Marty4650: I'm holding out for a BMW with a mechanical crank starter. Price is no object. Call me when they make one.
I prefer a horse and wagon. I call it 'pure driving'.
Siobhan A: What is shocking is how well the EOS-M is doing in Asia. Last year in Japan as Sony saw their mirrorless market share plummet, the mostly neglected EOS-M took over some of that market share with a good size increase. It goes to show how much support there is for Canon cameras in Asia, and how if Canon put a tiny bit of effort in to their mirrorless cameras, they could easily dominate some other companies. Same goes for Nikon.
The 2016 BCN report (based on sales data from 2015) showed that Canon is now #3 in mirrorless in Japan, with 13.6% of the market, after Olympus (34.5%) and Sony (24.8%).The 2015 report had Sony first (34.3%), then Olympus (22.3%) and Panasonic (11.9%).
More money, less convenience, a brilliant concept!
I'm all for concentrating on the fundamentals of photography (composition, exposure, focus), but I don't see how a rear screen would distract me when doing that. Maybe I'm just not purist enough.
wb2trf: Wow, Canon is in quite a pickle. The big problem is that, in addition to the chronic decline in cameras, the office copier and printer business is also terrible. Somehow I thought that their other lines of business weren't also strategically challenged.
They should make their own adapter for all Canon lenses to Sony bodies and make the adapter work perfectly.
After the dual sensor phone cams hit in 2017, the whole under $1000 dslr market will be plummeting for a few years, the way the compact market did. Mirrorless, who knows but at least its manufacturing cost structure will be better able to take volume declines.
No, of course an EVF isn't without cost. But it doesn't require the precise alignment and tight tolerances of an opto-mechanical assembly. I don't know the costs involved, but I would be surprised if a high quality EVF is more expensive than a high quality OVF/mirror assembly/AF module.
FencerPTS: "Interchangeable lens cameras now account for 49% of total unit sales and 84% of the company's revenue."
Sorry what? Total revenue: 3600 B Yen. Office: 1946 B, Imaging, 1135 B, Others 522 B. How do you get 84% from 1135/3600? My calculator shows that to be 32% of total revenue, not 84%. That's the entire imaging category overall including ink jet printers. Fun fact, Canon is an office equipment company that also makes imaging systems, not a camera company primarily.
Another editorial note: did nobody notice that the effects of foreign exchange rates is the principal reason for the decline? The depreciation of the USD and EUR means that exports result in less revenue - this will be true of every Japanese manufacturer (Sony, Nikon, Olypus, Fujifilm, etc...).
Yet another editorial note: did nobody notice the HUGE cash flow going into investing, i.e. the acquisition of Toshiba Medical Systems Corp? 930 B Yen is even bigger an impact on cash flow than exchange rates.
Yes, the Imaging division accounts for 32% of the company's revenue, but that's not what DPR meant. They meant that interchangeable lens cameras account for 84% of the Imaging division's revenue. They shouldn't have used the term "the company" without explaining what they were talking about.
Take away the OVF, the prism and mirrors, and the AF module, and the DSLR basically becomes a mirrorless camera. Surely the manufacture and precise assembly and alignment of those mechanical and optical components must add some cost?
qaz111111: Well, where is the medium format camera? We are all buying into the high end results. There are zillions of people who want and pay for L glass so they are all ready for the Medium format step up. Rumors have flown for years but nothing has materialized. Let's have it already!
I recall reading that digital medium format sells about 20k units a year. That would presumably include Phase One, Mamiya Leaf, Hasselblad, Leica and Pentax. So, would it be worth the trouble for Canon to enter such a small and crowded market? I'm not so sure.
Marty4650: For God's sake.... exactly how many digital cameras does someone need?
I have around six or seven, plus at least a dozen lenses, and they all work pretty well. How many more cameras do they think they can sell me without offering some truly spectacular improvement over what I already own?
The technology has matured, the market is saturated, and everyone who ever wanted a camera now owns one that works well enough for them. And many people today don't even feel they need cameras because their smart phones are good enough for them.
The digital camera boom ended five years ago.
The number of people who upgrade automatically to get improvements they can't see is rapidly diminishing. Today, the only way to sell a new camera is when an older camera breaks beyond repair or gets stolen or lost.
Yes, but the steep decline we have seen in the compact camera market isn't typical for a saturated market, it's typical for a disrupted market. And there's no question that the smartphone is the culprit there.
I guess the more moderate decline of the ILC market may be more consistent with market saturation.