saeba77: i'm the only 1 that see a lot of noise at also 400 ISO?
Quality apart i really can't understand why to take this camera (650 euro)instead of another mirrorless with interchangeable lens...fuji T10, A2, or oly Pl5 ecc
For me, shirt pocketable means too small to handle properly. I guess it's good that cameras come in many sizes.
bubblyboo: Looks like the A6300 scared both Nikon and Fuji./s
The cameras are already in production, and the specs were decided months or even years ago, and now they will achieve a significant performance boost in a few weeks' time?
mr.izo: so, canon, what about your sensor development? i know for fact, this is main and only reason people jumping boats..i'm next probably, just don't want to leave all that fine lenses behind, and sony still have to prove that they work as on eos cameras..
Really, most people choose a system (or switch systems) based on the sensors? I doubt there are that many people whose photographic results are mainly limited by sensor technology.
Mike FL: SONY and CANON showed sensor which can "see" in the dark years ago.
The Sony was for automotive and industrial use, and the Canon was for video. And neither had all the advantages that the organic sensor is said to have.
maximme: Nikon cites high demand for the camera as the cause of the delay
huh?if there is high demand, it would be "sold-out" status
how could high demand cause delay to market ?
do you guys see the logic?
Yes, it's better than having a camera constantly being listed as out of stock, as was the case with the P900. Nikon got a lot of criticism because that model was never available. Some people even called it vapour ware.
cgarrard: This is huge news. Huge.
photo perzon: Once cameras can do ISO 100,000 for $ 200, the 5.6 lenses will be as good as the 2.8s
There will always be photon shot noise, though, and if it's so dark that you need to shoot at such a high ISO, the shot noise will have a visible impact on SNR and image quality.
Osa25: Is this journalism or is this what they call "content marketing"?
They interviewed a Sony engineer. If that counts as marketing, then DPR really can't interview any person employed by a manufacturer.
Humongous is the new huge.
krassphoto: Interesting... Fuji developed a fancy-shmancy sensor that is used by Panasonic, but in their own camera they use an outdated sensor from Sony...
The sensor is co-developed by both companies, Fuji being responsible for the organic 'film'. And it's nowhere near being ready for use in consumer products just yet. I'd be surprised if we see any consumer cameras with the organic sensor before 2018.That Sony sensor with copper circuitry represent the current state-of-the-art among sensors actually available for use.
Peiasdf: Lets see the products first. I hope they don't plan to release this in smartphone size only. Also, isn't it interesting GX8 and X-Pro 2 just came out but still relies on old sensor tech? Panasonic can put this into GH5 but Fuji? X-T2 which is going to make that camera far more advanced than X-Pro 2?
The GX8 and X-Pro2 use the latest Sony sensors of their respective sizes. There's no newer sensor tech available for current products. This new sensor being developed by Panasonic and Fuji won't be seen in neither the GH5 nor the X-T2.
Marksphoto: so what, I remember canon announced something something with the new sensor technology more than a year ago, I don't see them implementing the new technologies in their new DSLR's... Talk is cheap.
There is usually a lag of many years between what's being developed, and when it ends up in consumer products. The problem is that as soon as a company makes a development announcement, people expect to see the tech in the next generation of products.
No, it wouldn't be sold-out before release. They are still taking pre-orders, and there are apparently more of them than Nikon expected. And instead of releasing the camera on schedule, they have decided to delay the release for about a month. This way, hopefully everyone who pre-ordered the camera will get it soon after release, and maybe there will even be some stock left for those who didn't pre-order. Isn't that better than having it listed as sold-out immediately upon release, until the next batch is ready for shipment?
I'm amazed how some people make a big conspiracy or cover-up of something as simple as this. Sometimes, if it walks like a duck, it really is a duck. ;-)
Jostian: no weather sealing, pity! not a must I guess but it does just add to the overall package... the new AF looks promising though.
Yes, as I replied above, I jumped to conclusions here. Sorry about that, and I retract my comments. Again, thanks for the correction.
Favorable Exponynt: No touch screen. No sale. No ibis no sale, no battery life no sale really for $1000 they should be able to make a more complete camera. They don't even need to put a mirror or a pentaxprism in it nor 3 or four motors operating it all. Only the physical shutter still reminds of a real camera. :p
My mistake then. I assumed, based on that footnote in the press release, that it was "sealed" in the same way as the A7, in other words not at all (as Roger Cicala of Lens Rentals noted in his teardown of that body).
Thanks for the correction, I jumped to conclusions.
Marcelobtp: color science still bad
Well, the anti-Canon faction is hardly any better. Canon has slightly lower DR at low ISO, but that manifests itself as more shadow noise. You can always expose in such a way as to avoid blowing the highlights.
Timbukto: I thought the first image was a fancy optical adjustment bench. But it's just hand sanitizer station. I think Chipotle needs some of those.
Also why on earth would anyone need to unbox a unit to QC vs just QC prior to boxing? Shady boxing workers? Or just nonsensical workflow?
Off-topic, but regarding the comment about Fuji being deceptive regarding ISO, no camera manufacturer is deceptive or cheating with ISO. What they do is actually allowed by the ISO standard (which really are several standards).
garyknrd: For a industry that is dying. This has got to be the best time in history to be an amateur photographer.
The market for dedicated cameras has been shrinking since 2012 (the compact segment even since 2010) and will continue to shrink according to most analysts. But it isn't dying, it will settle at a lower level determined by the number of pros, enthusiasts and amateurs with a genuine photography interest. Most casual photographers have already decided that their smartphone is the only camera they need.
Artpt: the Sony A 5100 has a touch screen and is a great feature to implement in all their product lines. I wonder why they never revisited touchscreen. Like other comments I'm a bit disappointed in this.... everything else seems great.
Clearly Panasonic knows something that Sony doesn't.
Mike FL: Which SONY 24MP sensor is newer/better?
1. The one that SONY gives to FUJI X-Pro22. This one3. Same
Take your pick.
It's likely the same sensor, any differences in IQ being caused by the different colour filter arrays and different signal processing.