Kokeen4231: I think the pentax k30/50 should be considered too. Its got pretty great features for its price. I'm sure its below $1000 too.
Just my thoughts.
Exactly, the K-30 is definitely worth considering and outperforms many DSLRs in this list, either in performance or in price. Itś got the same acclaimed sensor as the K-5 and D7000, but with newer features like focus peaking, all in a body costing 400 pounds/500 eur (I bought mine for 380 GBP). Actually I cannot think of any other DSLR with such great performance/price ratio.
Eigenmeat: Yay time to get a discounted RX100 Mark1!!
Don´t expect big discounts, the price of RX100 dropped only marginally since introduction.
thomas2279f: Looks good... where's Canon and Nikon equivalents of RX-1 & RX-100 ?
Canon could better improve the G1x, e.g. with an EVF, improve the AF speed and it will be a hit.Nikon has the pocketable P330 and the 1 system, so there is no space for other larger-sensored compact.
ogl: I'd like to see more faster lens.
Or the V1 with EVF for 220 €! Add a fast 18,5mm f1,8 lens for 180€ and you have a nice two-lens combo for only 400€. However this does not change the abovesaid: the NX100 is much much smaller, size-wise in the league of Canon S110.
Jefftan: $750 crazy price for 1 inch sensorHow much bigger is NEX-3N at $450
but IQ must be much bettercan't understand Sony pricing
Only partially true: NEX has bigger sensor, but worse lens: the kit-lens 16-50 is:1. much slower: only f3,5-5,6 comapred to f1,8-4,9 (2 EV worse at wide end and 2/3 EV at tele end),2. optically rather weak: terrible distortion, vignetting, not especially sharp.However I agree that 750 USD is pretty much.
Treeshade: RX100 sits comfortably between more expansive pocketable APS-C and those cheaper large sensor compact. Wouldn't the price up mean direct competition with Ricoh GR? GR is slightly larger (worth for the grip) but with much larger sensor and more control. So, is the 28-100mm zoom enough to differentiate the products, or is Sony playing purely on reputation?
The do not compete at all; people searching for a decent universal compact would not look at fixed-focal-length comapct with limited usability. And the DOF control is also not an argument in favour of the GR, since f2,8 at wide-angle (28mm eq). means big DOF (eq. f4,2), not really different from the RX100 (eq. f4,8).
Just as kolega Rachotilko wrote, a 1" sensor camera with built-in EVF and a handgrip would make it ... a Nikon V2. ;-)RX100 is a unique, one-of-a-kind camera, putting (quite) large sensor into a body of common point&shoot. Add some bulk to the body (because of faster lens) and it reaches the size of M4/3 or other CSCs, where it could not compete (just like the Nikon V2 cannot).
SayCheesePlease: Maybe not big improvements, but still improvements. The 1st gen RX100 is already a little gem of a camera. The street price of the new RX100 will likely drop too with a little time. Another plus- it might be a good time to pick up a 1st gen RX100 at a discount!
Exactly, the price of RX100 almost didn´t move, apparently Sony doesn´t need to discount it because of good sales.
Juraj Lacko: It looks so much nicer than k-30 it replaces
@Heie2: exactly. I have the K-30 and like the modern design a lot; for those who want something more conservative there is the K-50.
Amateurbob: Looking at the sample pictures dynamic range is a show stopper for this camera and a reason to reject it. The Nikon P7700 point and shot has better dynamic range and takes better pictures. I have Pentax lenses from the old days I would like play with on a Pentax digital body. Instead, I will play with them on my Sony Nex camera with an adapter. The feel and handling of a modern camera is nice, but the picture is still the camera’s purpose.
@Amateurbob: you need to have your eyes checked urgently. ;-) Or take that p&s and pretend your pictures are better than from APSC. ;-)
jtan163: The colour fidelity seems to be all out in the above shot.The camera body is orange!!
And what else do you see? I see orange body. Better check your monitor ;-)
007peter: 4xAA = 710 shots, vs Lithium = 410 shots. I wish canon/nikon makes an AA dslr as well. Good job Pentax....but
I would lose the stupid color scheme. Instead of focusing on color gimmick, Pentax should invest its resource on making affordable pancake primes.
Take the eneloops and you will get these numbers.
KonstantinosK: I'm sorry about the toning down of the K-50's design compared to the K-30. Was it really too much for potential buyers to swallow? I can understand it up to a point for the K-01, but the K-30 looked fabulous, in my opinion. There are enough melted soaps coming out from CanoSonyKons. Other than that, I love the gazillion color combinations on offer. I wished I had that option for the K-5... (I'm not commending on specs as I'm sure they will both be excellent stills cameras in their categories).
Exactly, after interesting and slightly extravagant styling of the K-30 (which I still love) comes this traditional, unappealing design. From my POV this is a step back (meaning only design, not other specs).
I dare to differ, in my opinion it looks more conventional/unappealing.
iudex: Nice to see a Pentax DSLR review after some time. A couple of months ago when I was considering which new DSLR to buy instead of my K-r I had been deciding between the K-5, K-5 II and the K-30. I finally choose the K-30, because the K-5 II as a hot novelty was quite expensive; today I would go for it, as the prices got more reasonable. Anyhow I think this camera is overlooked by many, despite the assessment of dpreview as being one of the best APS-C DSLRs. I have visited Athens last week and (apart from sightseeing) I looked also at cameras other people took pictures with. During 4 days I saw only one (!) Pentax in a sea of Canons and Nikons. Anyhow my K-30 did well in the hot dusty conditions and I am happy with it.
@ KonstantinosK: No, it was a Japanese girl :-) And I have not noticed many Greeks (if any) at Acropolis, only crazy tourists like me :-)
Nice to see a Pentax DSLR review after some time. A couple of months ago when I was considering which new DSLR to buy instead of my K-r I had been deciding between the K-5, K-5 II and the K-30. I finally choose the K-30, because the K-5 II as a hot novelty was quite expensive; today I would go for it, as the prices got more reasonable. Anyhow I think this camera is overlooked by many, despite the assessment of dpreview as being one of the best APS-C DSLRs. I have visited Athens last week and (apart from sightseeing) I looked also at cameras other people took pictures with. During 4 days I saw only one (!) Pentax in a sea of Canons and Nikons. Anyhow my K-30 did well in the hot dusty conditions and I am happy with it.
iudex: Another barrier broken: an EVF in an enthusiast compact. This alone is great. Of course the 200k EVF is far from good one, however it is still 100% VF and this alone makes it far more useful than 75-80% OVF on G15 & co. So kudos to Panasonic for doing what many have asked for.
Of course 0,2" EVF with 200k dots is the worst EVF nowadays (but I do think it is still better than OVF on G15 y co.). But still many bridge cameras offer this EVF and within enthusiast compacts it´s the first pioneer and maybe other producers will respond with something better.
Look at the picture: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-lf1/popup.htm?http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/panasonic-lf1/ZYTOP-LG.JPG it´s great to know that the EVF adds almost nothing to thickness of the camera.
MrTritium: What really matters here is the aperture vs focal length chart. How bright is the lens at 35mm, 50mm, 85mm?On the the fuji XF1 and Sony RX100 the max aperture drops quickly as you zoom. I hope it's not the case on the LF1.
I tried to roughly draw the curve and the lens speed should be cca. 1/3 EV better than Canon S110. So not especially amazing, but good enough considering the camera/lens size.
I imagine this is the way the enthusiast compact go in the future. Poor tunnel OVF is almost useless yet many users love to have a VF so why not EVF? Pana has shown it does not necessarilly mean a size increase and bigger compacts like the P7700 could accomodate even a bit bigger OVF without noticeable size increase.