I do not doubt that SL1 is a nice small camera, but praising it as there were no small camera+lens combos in the past is not really fair. Take any entry-level DSLR from Pentax, add an extra small 40mm XS lens and the combo will be even smaller than SL1 with 40mm STM lens. http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1490Tha same with a zoom lens: Canon has nothing to compete with ultra-compact 20-40mm Limited zoom.
Kinematic Digit: I own the EOS-M, SL-1 and of course my other stuff with the 5Dmk3 and Leica gear.
I really love the SL-1 for it's compact size, and perfect amount of features for more than enough advanced amateurs to enjoy.
I rarely put too much bigger onto this camera than the STM lenses, but occasionally I put the 100mm macro L onto it and it's surprisingly fun kit to carry around. It even supports the hybrid-IS which I believe none of the other Rebels support (maybe the the T5i).
Great video on this camera as well and paired up with some great glass it just becomes a sensor to add to a lens because of it's weight and size.
What makes someone buy an EOS-M, if he already has a SL-1 as a back-up to his 5DIII?
Juraj Lacko: At high ISO this camera delivers for sure.
Exactly; Portrait at ISO 9000 and perfectly usable; great job. Raz darmo, fullframe. ;-)
Alhough I read "selection of lenses", I did not expect old Pentax manual prime. Nice job!
I think it is pointless to blame Jeff for breaking the camera or indicationg he omitted proper maintenance. Imagine a typical user of this camera: do you expect an average Joe to disassemble the camera, take the O-ring out, grease it with silicone every time, put everything back and after hour of preparation to go snorkeling? I believe he hust takes the camera asi is and goes underwater. Is it too much to expect the camera to survive one or two dives without going broke? I don´t believe this is what a 800 USD camera should behave.I understand that after some time the O-ring needs some maintenance, but in this case seemingly this was not the weak spot where the water leaked in. So no, thank you Nikon, I wait for a second generation, hoping the camera will be able to handle something more than a single dive before dying.
MrSam: I bought the P7700 a few months ago and I've been absolutely thrilled with the images that it can produce. I bought it from Amazon for slightly over $350 and couldn't imagine spending $200 more for the dubious benefit of a tiny EVF on the 7800. With that one exception, the cameras are identical.
It´s not quite fair to compare the price of old model and it´s successor that has just been introduced. In couple of months the price of P7800 will fall somewhere near the price of your P7700. And an EVF is a very useful feature, especially when it doesn´t add any bulk to the camera.
@dpreview: where did xou take the shots? I recognize the usual tower in Seattle, but most of the pictures look like from some tropical place, I woudl say Hawaii. Am I right?
pca7070: The optical quality of the kit lens is so-so.
I cannot see any difference between the pics taken with the 18135mm and the 16-50mm. Which is for me a proof that the 18-135mm is not that bad as many claim.
Nukunukoo: Curious to see how this Sony sensor compares to the Toshiba ones. Very tempting if the IQ is right. With a Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 + on-cam OIS, it could potentially be a great indoor Wedding shooter. Had the opportunity to work with a K-5 II and am very impressed with the low-light focus compared to my Nikons. I hope the K-3 keeps that feature, contrary to what posters here say.
I wonder whether someone has the Sigma with Pentax mount. I have just ordered one for my K-30, but is still not available. Anyhow a super-sharp lens like the Sigma 18-35 should get the best out of K-3´s 24 MPx sensor.
I see no reason to complain: the pictures are good enough and it proves the 18-135 is not that bad as many say: on a bright day you cannot tell the difference from the 16-50mm. OTOH I agree there is no photo to evaluate the influence of AA filter off; some small patterns would be needed. But I guess after samples a full review will follow, so we will see soon.So for me the K-3 (having seen some other reviews) is on par with the best APSC cameras and definitely a good deal. However to pixel peep the sharpness or moiré some better lenses would be suiatable (I am pretty curious about the combination of K-3 nad the new Limited zoom 20-40mm).
iudex: When I look at the Pentax lens roadmap published earlier, this lens is exactly what the roadmap promised. http://www.openpn.com/wp-content/gallery/apn-pentax/pentax-k-mount-lens-roadmap_2013.jpgWhat makes me look forward to other annonced lenses, especially the upcoming DA zoom with cca. 16-85mm and the 150-400 (?) telezoom.I can imagine having a standardly fast zoom with sufficient reach (from wideangle 16 mm to short tele 85 mm) say with constant f4 and for low-light situations the Sigma 18-35/1,8. This could be the perfect lens combination for me. ;-)
And the latest lens roadmap (with 20-40mm included):http://www.openpn.com/wp-content/gallery/apn-pentax/pentax-k-mount-lens-roadmap_2013.jpgSo it is clear no other lens will be introduced in 2013.
HubertChen: This could be a perfectly balanced lens:
* Great IQ* Great Handling and Materials* Small and light weight* Quiet AF for Video* Unobtrusive for street* Potentially good bokeh (rounded blades + good lens formula)* weather sealing* Fast AF with Quickshift (manual focus override)
So lets wait for the test results. If they are excellent, than 1000 USD is a price many will be willing to pay for it, including me.
A truly unique and useful lens. Perfectly balanced to be the outstanding feature.
Ah, if the next Pentax Camera is like an A7 from Sony, except have the viewfinder in the corner, then we have a really cool system! (And I do not care for the thin camera body if each lens has to be longer to compensate for the short flange mount, but I care the build in EVF and I care it is placed in the corner like Range finder cameras, as in the corner it is more convenient to use and the camera does not collide with my nose)
You can bet that the picture quality will be better, just like every Limited lens outperforms normal DA lenses. The point is the 20-40 Limited is not a competitor to DA* 16-50. The 16-50 is noticeably wider and longer, but much bigger and much heavier. I see the 20-40mm as an alternative to Limited primes: similar image quality, but with the advantage of a single lens mounted.
When I look at the Pentax lens roadmap published earlier, this lens is exactly what the roadmap promised. http://www.openpn.com/wp-content/gallery/apn-pentax/pentax-k-mount-lens-roadmap_2013.jpgWhat makes me look forward to other annonced lenses, especially the upcoming DA zoom with cca. 16-85mm and the 150-400 (?) telezoom.I can imagine having a standardly fast zoom with sufficient reach (from wideangle 16 mm to short tele 85 mm) say with constant f4 and for low-light situations the Sigma 18-35/1,8. This could be the perfect lens combination for me. ;-)
jon404: Well, I have an older 16-45mm. I'm sure this new one is better, but I don't know that the difference would make me a better photographer.
And then there's the cost. $1,000 is a lot of money!
No lens makes you better photographer. This is not the right way to look at new gear. It just allows you to take technically better pictures (sharper, with more contrast etc.)1000 USD is a lot, but so is the price of other Limited lenses, so it fits.
nicolaiecostel: I don't want to sound like a troll, but a 20-40 focal ratio combined with a 2.8-4 aperture would have made sense in 1984.
Would it? I repeat, look at the size and weight: it´s only 283 g, which is in the league of prime lenses. Make it a constant f2,8 and it would be much bigger and heavier (see Sigma 18-35/1,8, even smaller zoom, but f1,8 makes it weigh 800 g).
WordsOfFarewell: Hm, not sure why this is such a big deal. I mean there are plenty lenses out there with a constant aperture of f/2.8 like the Tamron 17-50 or sigma version or even the Tokina UWAs. Both of the aforementioned have broader focal length - although I have to admit both will propably be nowhere near the image quality of the 20-40.
Still I think this is rather weird for a lens to have only 20mm focal length radius. Nothing for me. I'd prefer a 10-30 f/2.8 that'd be something vanguardist. Still good to see many Pentaxians like it, the better they're situated the earlier I get a good UWA. ;)
And what do you think of Sigma 18-35mm, only 17mm radius?Sigma had to offer longer reach to achieve constant f1,8. Despite this small reach it weighs more than 800g. Compare it to this new Pentax: 283g is weight of a prime lens. Besides, Pentax already has a 16-50mm/2,8 lens (which has 565 g).So the whole point is lightweight and prime lens quality, imagine you have 2 limited primes (HD 21 mm Limited and HD 40mm Limited) in one lens.
KonstantinosK: Looks like a nice WR limited lens, I just wish it was a bit wider. Now, an updated version of the DA* 16-50 would be of more interest to me.
I am waiting for an improved 16-50/2,8 with HD coating (but if I have to wait too long, I will get a Sigma 18-35/1,8 instead).
iudex: One important thing that wasn´t in the article is the weight: 283 g pretty much answers all the complaints about small zoom and no constant f2,8.Considering this weight (and small size) the lens makes perfect sense and there´s no point in comparing this lens to 16-50/f2,8 zoom (which weighs 565 g, i.e. twice as much).
P.S. The price in the US should be 1000 USD.
One important thing that wasn´t in the article is the weight: 283 g pretty much answers all the complaints about small zoom and no constant f2,8.Considering this weight (and small size) the lens makes perfect sense and there´s no point in comparing this lens to 16-50/f2,8 zoom (which weighs 565 g, i.e. twice as much).
I am very glad to see that manufacturers finally put EVFs to compacts. Tunnel-type OVF is a dead thing (only Fuji has tried to improve it by putting some info in it) and (a decent, i.e. min. 1,4M dots) EVF is the future and a must for compacts to distinguish from (more and more decent) smartphone cameras.So now Canon bring a G2x with an EVF (and letar also G17 with EVF) insterad od useless OVF.