Ashleey: where is the s120 replacement?
It´s right there in the article. It´s called G9x. ;-)
Just to see things in perspective: both new G models are very small cameras, the G5x is actually no bigger than G16 (with much smaller sensor) and only the EVF hump makes it bigger compared to Sony RX100; see pictures: http://j.mp/1QnDNV3http://j.mp/1QnDXMq
iudex: I wanted to critisize the G9x for slow lens but then I realized I had a Canon S100 a couple of year back and it had f2-5,9 lens despite having small 1/1,7" sensor. This camera is comparatively big (or better say small) but has a much bigger sensor in it. Ideal for people who know nothing about photography, do not want a big camera but want a decent outcome (which the 1" Sony sensor surely delivers).
chadley: read carefully: I bought the S100 as I liked how Canon squeezed relatively big (compared to 1/2,33") sensor to such tiny body and I loved itś pocketability. But now 1/1,7" sensor impresses nobody so Canon had to step up and put 1" sensor in. And IN COMPARISON to 1" the once big 1/1,7" is tiny now.
RedFox: I know and that´s why I bouht it. But it was years ago; times change and what was once a relatively big sensor (in a compact) is now small. Actually the G9x is spiritual successor to the S series.
as regards the baterry life: my camera makes cca. 1000 shots on one battery charge, so from my point of view 210 or 300 shots make no difference, both cameras require a spare battery.
Arn: I see people complaining about how the 5Gx looks and that tells to me that Canon has really done well with this camera. If the biggest issue is esthetics, then there's not much wrong. A camera like this is not a fashion accessory, it's a photographic tool. The 5Gx ticks all the right boxes for me - a great EVF, a fully articulated LCD and remarkably well laid out controls. These features combined with the well performing Canon image stabilisation provide are something that are lacking on Sony's RX100 series. As I'm mostly a stills photographer, so I'm not too concerned about missing RX100IV video features. So,I'm thinking this camera should appeal to a lot of people focused on stills photography.
Arn: I see it exactly the same way: finally a G series camera ticks all the boxes I expect from an expensive enthusiast compact.
BostonC: G5X lens has nice spec. It covers just the right range w good speed. The camera design though is not very polished.
The big EVF hump indicates the EVF is big (and thus useful, unlike mini EVF of Pana GM5 and likes). While I love the small size of Sony RX100, it´s EVF is only of limited use because of the pop-up design. Ergonomically there is no better way than to put the EVF up in the middle, just like OM-Ds.
I like the angular look with decent grip a lots of dials, unlike the soap-box design of EOS M cameras.
I wanted to critisize the G9x for slow lens but then I realized I had a Canon S100 a couple of year back and it had f2-5,9 lens despite having small 1/1,7" sensor. This camera is comparatively big (or better say small) but has a much bigger sensor in it. Ideal for people who know nothing about photography, do not want a big camera but want a decent outcome (which the 1" Sony sensor surely delivers).
The G5x ticks all the boxes, at least on paper: (relatively) large sensor, fast lens with useful range, lots of dials for easy settings, decent grip and finally and most importantly a built-in EVF. Previous G models always missed something, but now it´s everything there, finally. Now we will have to see whether the shooting experience is satisfying, but as I said on paper it lookr really promising.By now there has been only one compact that appealed to me: Pana LX100; the G5x is another candidate. The Pana has bigger sensor and a bit faster lens, but the canon has longer focal range, fully articulating LEC that is also touch sensitive.
Photoman: And the losers are...nobody!!! Awardsfor all!!!
Pentax isn´t in.
TheLastMan: I am interested that everybody seems to think that $1,300 is "cheap". In the UK the Tamron SP 28-75mm F2.8 XR Di LD Macro is £300 ($450). Sure it is a fractionally longer focal length range and it lacks an internal motor and weather proofing, but at around 1/3 of the price it looks astonishingly good value.
Shops are already taking orders on the Pentax 24-70 at £1,150 ($1,725) so as normal Pentax are seriously over-priced here compared to the USA.
The Tamron 24-70 for Canon/Nikon/Sony here is about £675 ($1,025) street price so only 60% the proposed price of the Pentax. If Tamron have licensed the design to Pentax then presumably that is why the Tamron 24-70 is not available in a Pentax fit!
Just to put this in perspective, I could buy both a Tamron 28-75 f2.8 AND a Pentax FA 77mm F1.8 for a total of £1,100 which is less than the proposed price of the Pentax 24-70.
@TheLastMan: I better stay with my Mk. 7 Golf GTI. ;-)
happypoppeye: They announce a lens for a system that doesn't exist?
Do you prefer it to be vice versa, i.e. introducing a camera body and not having any lenses? Well then you probably own a Sony CSC. :-)
Dan Vincent: Not hard to have a lens out when all you do is put it in a different case. Smart move by Pentax. The Tamron 24-70 is a good lens already, don't reinvent the wheel.
Barnet: yes, those are indications, but not enough to say they are the same lenses (to me all Sigma Art zooms look the same). Only a picture of optical formula (placement of lens elements) can tell for sure.
And for the price of one BMW X5 I can have three Dacia Dusters. Sure Duster is fractionally smaller and it lacks 6 cyl. engines and 8-speed A/T, but it looks astonishingly good value. ;-)
Jon Schick: The strategy of making a well-priced version of an existing well-regarded lens makes sense to me - and if Pentax offer this as the kit lens rather than a slower f3.5-5.6 or constant f4 offering, then I think they are reading the reasons why many people choose to move to FF quite carefully.
All the rumours I have read say that K-1 (most possible name of FF body) will be competing with D810 and 5Ds and have either 36 MPx or 42 MPx Sony sensor. So forget about entry-level price.
Cane: good one. :-) I just meant this: https://photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/2164_AF-S-NIKKOR-24-70mm-f2.8G_Construction-2.jpg You don´t have to have a PhD. in optics to see whether the lenses have the same or different optical formula.
Despite the fact 1300 USD is surprisingly low for a fast zoom, it is still high enough to be a kit zoom. I think the answer is in Pentax´ lens roadmap: it announces something like 28-105mm "DFA standard zoom" without description "large aperture", that means slower lens, maybe with variable aperture, so something like f4 or f3,5-5,6. Such lens will be much cheaper than f2,8 zoom, thus more suitable as a kit lens.
Is there any proof this lens is just a rebadged Tamron? No fight, just would like to see some proof (picture of optical elements etc) to be sure.Even if it was proved, I don´t see it as a problem, since Tamron 24-70/2,8 is a great lens (unlike the Tamron 18-270mm which Pentax rebadged).
Kudos to Pentax for many things: introducing lenses before releasing the body (do you notice that Sony?), as well as for the fantastic price compared to C&N (or basically any fast FF zoom).The only thing I have troubles accepting is the size of the new lenses, being used to tiny Pentax lenses (not only Limiteds) those new zooms look huge (not only FF lenses, also the 16-85mm).