Zvonimir Tosic: Excellent! Diameter of the lens has changed from previous versions, though.It is not 52mm, now it's 58mm. But if it's shorter, and sports a real, quiet motor, even better. Everything may signal an optically even better kit lens; considering improvements and new optical formula, I would not be surprised.Well done Pentax!
I believe all the new technology helps, however I am convinced making a zoom this small means some compromises had to be done so the two things go against each other; so maybe the outcome will be similar to previous 18-55mm lens (which is not a bad thing, the kit zoom was quite decent).Anyhow I am just theorizing, I am not going to buy such lens, however newcomers could be pleased with such small lens and maybe never change it.
This zoom is actually 4mm shorter than the 35mm/2,4 prime (itself a small lens) and only 2mm longer than DA 50mm, so the kit is really compact. As regards the optical quality the collapsible construction indicates more compromises than fixed barrel, so I would be careful with predictions; we will see.
ogl: Diameter 41 mm (1.61″)Length 71 mm (2.8″)Mistake in specs diameter 71 mm, length 41 mm
Yaeh, it´s clearly visible the lens is wider than longer (plus if the filter thread is 58mm it is obvious the diameter cannot be smaller).
Eigenmeat: Waste of time, it's not like you can fit a DSLR into your pocket even WITHOUT a lens.
Instead, they should do something like the "first DSLR kit lense that starts at 24mm equivalent".
So if you cannot stich a camera in your pocket it is a waste of time? Well then I guess you are crying at a wrong grave and you should look at 1/1,7" sensored compacts. ;-)
ogl: What kind of hood?
The text says: Low-profile lens hood (included).Btw. as far as I remember the kit lens on my camera did not come with a hood. So I guess it will be the same here: the cheaper DA-L without the HD coating for kit will have no hood and this HD version will.
RStyga: Hopefully the WR design will prevent the duo-cam design from sucking dust. The lens is, however, very dark... F4-5.6... a F2.8-4 would be much better even if it would make the lens' diameter larger.
Viking: you are right; the Pentax 18-55mm was something like:f3,5 @ 18mmf4 @ 19-22mmf4,5 @ 23-35mmf5,6 @ 36-55mm.
iae aa eia: Now, Ricoh, I challenge you to make an 18-55mm ƒ/3.4-4.8 no longer than the shortest 18-55mm ƒ/4-5.6 (or 3.5-5.6) from the competition. You'll see making this lens no shorter but "just" half stop less dark will impress much more.
Dstudio: actually the 18-55mm lens retained f3,5 only at 18mm. Every slight touch of a zoom means f4 (i.e. at 19mm you have f4). As far as I remember the course of luminosity was:f3,5 @ 18mmf4 @ 19-22mmf4,5 @ 23-35mmf5,6 @ 36-55mm.
iae: What is the difference between f3,5-5,6 and f3,4-4,8? It´s 0,1 to 0,5 EV, you really would not see the difference in real use.F3,5-5,6 is a standard for kit zooms; to see some difference the producers would need to make a lens cca. 1 EV faster, just like the Fuji did with it´s f2,8-4 kit zoom.
Good job Pentax. While I guess none of existing Pentax users buys this lens, for newcomers it is a nice choice and a good answer to those complaining about the bulk of DSLRs. With this tiny zoom (not bigger than a 50mm prime) the amera gets really small, actually as small as it gets for a DSLR with a zoom.Of course the construction has itś downsides (shorter FL, worse luminosity) however it´s a negligible sacrifice for such amazingly small size.
humbala: Such an ugly lens
If you prefer the look then better look elsewhere in Pentax´s portfolio: http://cdn.mos.techradar.com/art/cameras/Pentax/Pentax%20K-S1/Press%20shots/Pentax-K-S1-pink-970-80.jpg;-)
Martinka: 2020 g, this lens is by far the heaviest of all the other 70-200/2.8 lenses
Quick comparison:Pentax 70-200/2,8: 1,75 kgCanon 70-200/2,8: 1,49 kgNikon 70-200/2,8: 1,54 kg.So the Pentax is a bit heavier, but not dramatically.
MikePursey: The DA* 50mm/200mm/300mm also cover the FF sensor.
I heard the same. Anyhow for the 50mm (you probably meant DA* 55mm/1,4) there´s no need to use DA lenses since there are officialy 2 FF lenses: FA 50mm/1,4 and DFA 50mm/2,8 Macro.
Davidfstop: Yes! But is it too late?I have been a pentax devotee since my late teens, and still shoot with my K7. I kept hanging on in hope.But, as other posters have commented, price and a couple of legacy features will be important. Olympus have a new camera Em-D M5 mk2 which just might be the one to jump ship for, with a good review and starting price + features desirable to a keen mountain walker and photographer.It's just getting harder to make decisions.Come on Pentax! (I mean, come on Ricoh)!
So maybe holding on to APSC DLSR is a good compromise: better pictures than from M4/3, but less bulk than FF. And K-3 is a hell of a camera with all Pentax advantages (weather resistant, durable, yet still relatively small).Anyhow even if we don´t go FF, it´s another reason to remain a Pentaxian, since there is still the perspective to step up one day.
iudex: Since the introduction of the prototypes (without exact specification) I knew these would be FF lenses. Not only they looked huge (not typical for DA lenses), but their expected focal range was typical for FF lenses (70-200mm).So now Pentax (sorry, Ricoh, I cannot get accustomed to this) has 8 fullframe lenses even before the introduction of a FF body (FA Limiteds 31, 43 and 77mm, FA 50/1,4, DFA 50mm, DFA 100mm and this two new telezooms). Actually the only lens missing is a standard zoom, something like 24-70mm and Pentax FF camera can go on sale.P.S. Not mentioning the fact some DA lenses are rumoured to actually cover FF sensor.
Good point. It would probably be no big problem for Tamron/Sigma to change mount to existing FF lenses which are now available for C/N only.
petreluk: The image released suggests a classic DSLR. It's pretty brave of Ricoh to do this since technology and perhaps the market point the other way, towards smaller, mirrorless cameras with better IQ from new-gen sensors. Only time will tell whether this is a Quixotic gesture since Ricoh will need to sell several tens of thousands of these beyond the couple of hundred gear heads and their test charts on an Internet site. The quality of the two newly announced FF telezooms will be crucial in this regard. If they are anything less than stellar then some of the fans on here will start to drifts away. Still, who wouldn't applaud a Quixotic gesture from an industry short on romance and pizazz.
I don´t think FF DSLRs are selling poorly. Canon and Nikon are investing heavily in FF cameras and they seemingly see a huge potential of this segment (Nikon has 5! FF cameras). Plus long time Pentax users still have many FF lenses so it would be not a problem to step up and buy a FF. I have only 2 Pentax lenses now but one of them is FF lens and the rest of my lenses would not be useless on FF body, they could work in crop mode (so basically just like they work now). So going FF for me would not mean dumping my glass, I could use all of them and maybe need to buy only a lens or two (not mentioning all the accesories are usable too). OTOH going mirrorless would mean giving all my lenses away and start building a completely new system, so buying e.g. a MFT camera would cost more money than going FF.
QuarryCat: it looks like a small 67 - ok fullframe with 50 MP is today what medium format was in the old days.I am shire the camera will come, but as an old Pentax photographer I wouldn't buy it. It needs new lenses and it is far to late and Pentax has full frame already with the 645Z.Pentax has still trouble with a fast and precise autofocus - compared to Canon and Nikon systems - and even the K3 and 645Z are years back behind a fast autofocus.I think Pentax should build lenses for every mount, but after the Pentax LX was gone, no more real good Pentax camera arrived.
Look at Sony a7, how many FF lenses did it start with? Even now Pentax has 8 FF lenses (6 FA/DFA primes and this 2 zooms) and that´s months before introduction of the FF body. So it is sufficient to make one standard zoom (like 24-70mm) and the camera will sufficiently equipped for the start. More lenses will surely come.
"oder" :-) Gentleman is from Germany, nicht wahr?
Anastigmat: Pentax probably thought that it never needed to release a FF DSLR camera, but recent changes in the market place have changed that. The recent slump in the camera market is due to the saturation of the APS-C market. Practically anybody who has wanted an APS-C camera has already bought at least 1, and so they are tired to upgrading to another APS-C model. Many of these APS-C camera owners have also upgraded to FF models, therefore the only segment of the market that is growing is FF. Canon and Nikon have also slashed FF prices recently, making the APS-C market even less enticing.
The future of the DSLR camera is FF. There is no turning back. Cameras like the Canon 7D MkII will be the last high end APS-C marketed, and it will have no successor. Even mirrorless models like the ones Fuji and Samsung have been making will also be impacted as they are becoming more expensive than entry model FF cameras. FF cameras will likely be selling for around $1K in the near future.
QuaryCat: agreed. There is and will be market place for APSC cameras, since not every enthusiast is able to pay thousands for FF camera and lenses, plus there is the bulk of FF (a reason why many FF users switched to mirrorless). OTOH as market of APSC DLSRs is shrinking there is obvious reason to expand to FF, since this market is constantly rising.
Pentax is famous for being able to make really small lenses (e.g. my fullframe 100mm/2,8 is only 340g, really tiny), so I believe they could make the lenses smaller. So when these lenses are that heavy (lot of glass) I expect nothing but the best optical quality.Btw. have a look at Fuji zoom lenses, they are critisized for being huge, but for a reason: they are sophisticated and optically amazing.
Since the introduction of the prototypes (without exact specification) I knew these would be FF lenses. Not only they looked huge (not typical for DA lenses), but their expected focal range was typical for FF lenses (70-200mm).So now Pentax (sorry, Ricoh, I cannot get accustomed to this) has 8 fullframe lenses even before the introduction of a FF body (FA Limiteds 31, 43 and 77mm, FA 50/1,4, DFA 50mm, DFA 100mm and this two new telezooms). Actually the only lens missing is a standard zoom, something like 24-70mm and Pentax FF camera can go on sale.P.S. Not mentioning the fact some DA lenses are rumoured to actually cover FF sensor.