First of all I must say I do not mind the look of V2; I do not buy cameras because they look nice, but because they take good pictures.But...The V2 is as big as mirrorless competition with APS-C.The V2 is as expensive as mirrorless competition with APS-C.I don´t get such good pictures from 1" sensor that I get from the APS-C.So why the he.l should I buy a V2 instead of an APS-C camera?
armanius: Oh mine ... Just when I thought the V1 was ugly, because it looked like a Tetris block ... And I though that the K01 was ugly too. The V2 is hands down the ugliest camera in the world!!
I think they can shake hands. ;-)
gl2k: The V2 is everything the V1 should have been from the very beginning.Well done Nikon and thanks for listening to your customers.
No, better make it 399 USD like the V1 was sold on Adorama.
ebsilon: I think one needs actually two ideal cameras - a system camera and a compact travel/walkaround camera. Since I'm happy with my Nikon DX (although missing some lenses), I'll sketch out my ideal compact:
24-100mm f/2-f/4 range (alternatively 28-140mm)1" sensor with PDAF - oversized both horisontally and vertically to provide aspect ratios fro 16:9 to 4:5Sensor performance of current 1" is good enough, but will always wish for moreRAW format - maybe DNG?State-of-the art EVF Tilt or sviwel screen - with excellent visisbility in sunshineSized and design like Canon G12 or Nikon P7700External controls like P7700Weathersealed/splash proofHotshoe and remote CLS triggering
Actually, I think the technology is already more or less here - just hoping for someone putting this together. Maybe for next Photokina?
I think RX100 is so small that not many would argue if it was a bit larger for sake of lens speed. I reckon the size of G12/15 (considerably bigger/thicker than RX100) is still acceptable for many.
A dream camera that is impossible to build:A fullframe rangefider style compact with fixed zoom lens (24-200 mm f1,4-2,8), combined OVF/EVF, waterproof, loads of external controls, not bigger than NEX-6 with collapsible kit zoom.A dream camera that could be made:A compact camera with fixed zoom lens (like Sony RX100), 1" to 4/3 sensor, EVF (like Nikon V1), 25-100 mm lens with f1,8-2,8, sufficiend hand-grip, enough external controls.The closest to this dream is a Sony RX100 with EVF and a bit wider and faster lens.
ybizzle: Very impressive! ISO performance is on par with the X10's 2x larger sensor! Bravo Nikon!
@oldfogey: do you really shoot at ISO3200 with such small cameras? Then you want something they are not made for.ISO 3200 is the limit even on my DSLR with APS-C sensor (it has top ISO 25600, but in reality ISO 3200 is the acceptable limit) and on my enthusiast compact with 1/1,7" sensor the acceptable maximum is ISO1000. So why would I shoot at ISO 3200 with a compact?
ecm: Pretty good for a small sensor camera.
HOWEVER.....The thing that differentiated this line of Nikon cameras - the viewfinder - is gone.
And I'm left with the question, why would I buy this? There's much better image quality to be had for about the same price, size and weight in the micro-4/3 and NEX camera ranges, if I'm willing to buy last year's tech - up to 50% cheaper, actually - look at the Oly E-PL1 or Panny GF-3.
You could have Nikon V1 (1" sensor, EVF) with 10-30 lens for 399 USD or NEX-5n for similar price, not talking about sales od older PENs. On the one hand it is not fair to compare novelties with MSRP price to 2-years old cameras that already have (one or even more) successors; on the other hand APS-C is still APS-C and a 1/1,7" sensor (even with fast lens) still cannot comare to much bigger sensor.
ZAnton: Very sharp lens and good sensor.I wonder what aperture this lens has on 140mm equiv. Canon G15 has 2,8. I hope Nikon has something similar.
My estimation is f3,2 (closer to the tele end of the zoom with f4), anyhow even if it was f3,2, it´s only 1/3 EV worse than G15 and this is not a relevant difference. The outcome of P7700 is surprisingly good and that counts. Now we want to see how the G15 performs (but I don´t expect big surprise, given it´s a S100 sensor).
It seems to me the Nikon performs better than the other newcomer Pana LX7; watching at ISO1600 RAWs there is visibly more noise from the LX7. On the other hand the Pana has 1 stop advantage (at the wide end and 0,5 EV at the tele end), which would in real world mean lower ISO, thus lower noise. Anyhow I am positively surprised with the performance of P7700.
jafary: How come so many people throwing definitive judgement based on one set of snapshots from one tester that used the camera for a few hours, possibly on a pre-production sample? Other pics posted on this forum (by webgeek) and on other websites shows better results for the 16-50. I ordered this camera with the kit lens and I will calmly wait for other serious reviews and my own tests when it arrives. Only then I will decide if it satisfies me (compared to an APS-C DSLR) or if I will simply return it and look for other options.
Because it is a tester that has tested dozens of other cameras and lenses, did similar samples many times before and is aware that he is shooting first pistures that will be thoroughly evaluated and judged. So these samples have some value and if they are not on par with competitors (pictures shot by the same person and under similar circumstances), something is wrong and you cannot just deny the bad outcome.On the other hand it may be a lens variation, that especially the lens that dpreview had for testing was wrong. I know it from personal experience, I have just bought a lens that showed very weak performance; asked for a new one and the other one (I received only yesterday and am just testing it) is much better. So if I judged according the first lens I would say the XY lens is awful; considering the second lens it is perfectly OK.
Michael_13: I don't want to criticize the creativity of the shots. This is useless, because Amadou was at an event and had to shoot several combinations of bodies and lenses in probably a short time. I want to see all the criticizers here do better in such a situation...
I worry, though, about the exposure. Is it me, or do many of the pictures seem to be quite underexposed?
Itś not only you, I noticed that as well; the pictures look dim.
plamens: Super meaningless test footages(as usual), i can't get an idea of the quality of any of the lenses!35/1.8 is portrait lens, give us photos of people on f1.810-18/4 is super wide, give us photos of buildings, streets
Pleaese, make useful pictures!
35 mm a portrait lens? Maybe on Nikon 1. ;-)Anyhow I agree the test pictures could have been better.
I am a bit dissapointed. I admit the weather was not ideal, but the pics generally look matt/dull, unsharp. Expecting the Sony sensor to be traditionally good, it must be the lenses. Basically most of the competition showed here recently seems to be better. On the other hand it s no tragedy, just average, but I have expected more from newest Sony camera+lenses than average.
TheEye: At that price, this lens should be one stop faster.
Never heard of it. Is it still being sold?Edit: you are right, it´s for 4/3 DSLRs´.
Can you name ONE telezoom lens with constant f2?
After comparing the D600 (RAW @ISO6400) with some decent APSC cameras I must admit that (even lowend) fullframe is still visibly better (I compared the D7000, D300s, K-5 and X-Pro1). The only APSC that can compete is the Fuji, however it still does not match the FF.
SantaFeBill: Well, if you are a DX/APS-C user, it was one of the most depressing shows ever. Note that the roundup mentions almost no new equipment for that format, and no new DX lenses at all. :-( As Thom Hogan pointed out, this format isn't where camera makers are putting their effort. (The Lunacy aside, of course.)
@MIKE: yes, that makes perfect sense and I think the same. Stripped-off full frame vs. high-end APS-C, that might be a tough fight and canibalism that would cause C/N sell less cameras.
As regards the APS-C DSLRs, it seems that Pentax is right now the best choice; either in lower segment (K-30) or in higher (the new K-5 II).
LFLee: spotted an alien on the Panasonic Panorama picture - I am pretty sure with a head of that shape, the guy in blue hoodie is an alien visiting photokina...
Haha... I noticed it too, ultra-wide lenses are sometimes tricky. ;-)